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Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jun 11 @ 7:10 PM ET
I mean a young bubble team that needs vets with grit and experience. Not sure on exactly what team it may be but those teams fit those guidelines......a team like those.
- JIwasinskiJr

NY Islanders
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Jun 11 @ 7:21 PM ET
Good riddance. Thank you.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? Sure it would take a big hit to our defense core, but we have a bad defense core with or without him. He takes up way too much money for what he brings to the table, AND HE WILL BE DONE IN 3 YEARS, absolute tops.

Get a return on defense for him, whether it be a prospect or two, a roster player, or picks. With that, we can resign dougie and quaider, RFAs spoons and BC and still have some wiggle room with the cap to add to the backend or get some much needed help up front. Start to rebuild the backend. Dougie, Torey, Morrow is a good start, and I think we should grab a defenseman with the 14thpick (Chabot, Werenski, Zboril) That's very solid in a couple years. It was ugly back there this season even with Chara, so it should be a no brainer to move on from him.

We can't afford to lose Looch. He is a one of a kind player and our emotional leader. Not to mention he was one of our best players down the stretch. Once he was put with the kids he was a different player. Shouldn't be playing with krejci (who btw only had 7 goals this season and nobody says a (frank)ing word about him). We need to hang n to Looch and I truly belive he'd take a discount to stay here.

- TylerSeguin19



Ugh. Lucic over Krejci and I'm not saying I wouldn't trade both of them. I think you are right on with Chara as well too though.

What would you sign Lucic for?

If it's for over $5.5 then we should cut ties and get what we can get. In fact, I wouldn't give him over $5. At this point it is obvious he isn't going to develop into a Perry type player and that's what $6 million should get you.

Trade Lucic for a haul and sign Stewart or trade for Kassian at almost half the price to play with grit on the third line.

Lucic isn't a very good top six player.
TylerSeguin19
Boston Bruins
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jun 11 @ 7:30 PM ET
Ugh. Lucic over Krejci and I'm not saying I wouldn't trade both of them. I think you are right on with Chara as well too though.

What would you sign Lucic for?

If it's for over $5.5 then we should cut ties and get what we can get. In fact, I wouldn't give him over $5. At this point it is obvious he isn't going to develop into a Perry type player and that's what $6 million should get you.

Trade Lucic for a haul and sign Stewart or trade for Kassian at almost half the price to play with grit on the third line.

Lucic isn't a very good top six player.

- JIwasinskiJr


Krejci pisses me off. The talent is there, and hes done some great things for this team, but theres just no energy to his game. Just not my kind of player.

I think looch would ask for 6 but probably take somewhere between 5-5.5 to stay here. For that I keep him. When he's on his game, like I said, he can be a game changer. Not a lot of those kinds of players, especially on this team. Stewart/Kassian are massive downgrades
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Jun 11 @ 8:02 PM ET
Krejci pisses me off. The talent is there, and hes done some great things for this team, but theres just no energy to his game. Just not my kind of player.

I think looch would ask for 6 but probably take somewhere between 5-5.5 to stay here. For that I keep him. When he's on his game, like I said, he can be a game changer. Not a lot of those kinds of players, especially on this team. Stewart/Kassian are massive downgrades

- TylerSeguin19


When Lucic is on his game he is one of the most game changing players in hockey.

But, over the last five years I have waited for him to take the next step........and nope. Still an inconsistent eye sore on most nights. And he can NOT fight anymore PLUS he has gone from a gritty mean player to what seems to me to be a dirty player (why with the nut taps with a million cameras on you Lucic?)

And I blamed Krejci for the inconsistencies five years ago and was all for trading him and keeping Lucic, but Lucic has not gotten better in any way........not in one facet of his game has he improved.

Krejci is a question mark but I wouldn't say he is untouchable. He LED THE NHL in playoff scoring twice over the last few years though. And I can't blame him for last years crappy play because he was injured........what was Lucic's excuse if he is such a solid player he shouldn't need a Krejci or Spooner to CARRY him.

Personally, I think Krejci's two way play has improved a lot, BUT his playmaking ability has taken a HUGE HIT and who do I blame for making a gifted scorer into a grey blan player..........Clode Vader. The destroyer of creativity and entertaining hockey!

If Lucic is going to be playing sheltered minutes on the third line, doesn't kill penalties, has yet to ever be relevant on the PP (how is Chara in front of the net instead of the prototypical power forward), will cost you penalties because of his "dogging" play, turns the puck over in the D and just over the O zone all the time (you are not Wayne Gretzky Looch), has bad wrists, and now he can not fight for risk of being injured permanently............I can't think giving him a $6 million 5 year deal is in anyway smart with seeing his play over the last handful of years.

And it's the disappointment in him that pisses me off. He could have been great, a legend in Boston.

I don't think he has the ability to turn that emotion into a consistent killer instinct on the ice though.

Having to wait till the playoffs and then losing by three goals in a game 7......then I will get to see him reach his potential........and then I have to wait another, what........two years to see anything like that again..........

I just can't handle it anymore. Maybe a change of scenery would help. I just don't want to yell at my TV for him to "move your damn feet," again this season.
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Jun 11 @ 8:06 PM ET
Krejci pisses me off. The talent is there, and hes done some great things for this team, but theres just no energy to his game. Just not my kind of player.

I think looch would ask for 6 but probably take somewhere between 5-5.5 to stay here. For that I keep him. When he's on his game, like I said, he can be a game changer. Not a lot of those kinds of players, especially on this team. Stewart/Kassian are massive downgrades

- TylerSeguin19

Agreed but my fellow Flamers don't think he would be great addition. I disagree, we have some pretty skilled smaller players in Gaudreau & Hudler & Bennett plays bigger than he is. Byron is small but a great possession player, I truly see value in having Lucic in our lineup. But that's just me.
sensnucksnocups
Location: ON
Joined: 01.27.2012

Jun 11 @ 9:04 PM ET
canucks fans have been stating in their thread that bieksa + will land them eichel (they are being completely serious. they even think adding burrows should get them eichel + a pick). so surely kessel can get something decent right?
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:44 PM ET
It's amazing how much play a rumour that was literally just a fantasy trade suggestion by TSN's fantasy expert has gotten. This is like the 4th blog I've seen referencing something that is as legitimate as anything you'll find in the comments of an Ek thread.
TypLeafsFan fan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: KINDLE USERS: Please sign up for Maple Leafs Buzz, ON
Joined: 12.02.2009

Jun 11 @ 11:57 PM ET
canucks fans have been stating in their thread that bieksa + will land them eichel (they are being completely serious. they even think adding burrows should get them eichel + a pick). so surely kessel can get something decent right?
- sensnucksnocups


if we say hello to you will you stop repeating that crap on all HB threads?

well, hello.
InSutterWeTrust
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.09.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:52 AM ET
It's amazing how much play a rumour that was literally just a fantasy trade suggestion by TSN's fantasy expert has gotten. This is like the 4th blog I've seen referencing something that is as legitimate as anything you'll find in the comments of an Ek thread.
- Double_A


You're right. There's no way the Flames consider this. The Flames need a left shooting left wing player who doesn't skate, like they need a hole in the head. The Flames priority needs are a 6'5" 215 lbs, right hand shooting top 4 D-man (preferably 21-22 years old) and a right hand shooting, hard skating, skilled scoring RW.
The Flames need Lucic right where he is, holding the Bruins up tight against the cap. We will trade you next year's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pick for Dougie Hamilton; right after he signs a 7 year $45.5M offer sheet.
HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Jun 12 @ 1:22 AM ET
I would love to add Lucic. But I don't like the Porrier component to this. I would rather give them Wotherspoon, Reinhart & maybe one of our 2nd rounders or Wotherspoon & Klimchuk. Thing is, if Lucic fits great, we give him a healthy extension but if things fail to mesh, he definitely has better value at the TDL. Would love to see him & Bennett play together with maybe Ferland. What a fun line that would be to watch.
- Kevin R

You have to give to get and a collection of low value players isn't gonna get it done. Porrier + will get the show started.
InSutterWeTrust
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.09.2010

Jun 12 @ 4:30 AM ET
You have to give to get and a collection of low value players isn't gonna get it done. Porrier + will get the show started.
- HonkyTonkMan


I'll give you that on Reinhart, but Klimchuk is a pretty decent prospect, and Wotherspoon would probably crack the top 4 in Edmonton, definitely no lower than 5.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Jun 12 @ 7:34 AM ET
Flames, Dallas, Florida, NY Islanders, and Pittsburgh are just a few. Lucic is a pretty rare talent and people would like to have him.
- Dangles13


Would love to have him on Pittsburgh but his cap hit and perceived value are pretty high for what he has delivered the last few years. Not sure if it makes sense or if they could even be trade partners but I would love to see either Lucic or Chara in Pittsburgh.

Any of these options make sense?:
Lucic for Kunitz & Bennett
Lucic & Talbot for Sutter, Bennett & Spalling
Lucic for Perron plus a mid round pick or prospect. This one probably makes the most sense from Boston's side but not as much for Pittsburgh... slight upgrade at left wing but ideally they need to keep Perron to improve their top 6 depth.
Charlie.Conway
Boston Bruins
Location: Hockey Purgatory, CT
Joined: 07.18.2014

Jun 12 @ 7:39 AM ET
Good riddance. Thank you.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? Sure it would take a big hit to our defense core, but we have a bad defense core with or without him. He takes up way too much money for what he brings to the table, AND HE WILL BE DONE IN 3 YEARS, absolute tops.

Get a return on defense for him, whether it be a prospect or two, a roster player, or picks. With that, we can resign dougie and quaider, RFAs spoons and BC and still have some wiggle room with the cap to add to the backend or get some much needed help up front. Start to rebuild the backend. Dougie, Torey, Morrow is a good start, and I think we should grab a defenseman with the 14thpick (Chabot, Werenski, Zboril) That's very solid in a couple years. It was ugly back there this season even with Chara, so it should be a no brainer to move on from him.

We can't afford to lose Looch. He is a one of a kind player and our emotional leader. Not to mention he was one of our best players down the stretch. Once he was put with the kids he was a different player. Shouldn't be playing with krejci (who btw only had 7 goals this season and nobody says a (frank)ing word about him). We need to hang n to Looch and I truly belive he'd take a discount to stay here.

- TylerSeguin19


Not sure who all is from new england who posts on here, but the next time i hear someone call into WEEI screaming about how Chara and Rask should be traded i'm going to jerk the wheel into a guardrail.

Sounds good on paper to relieve cap stress, but understand this, for better or for worse, the BRUINS ARENT GOING TO TRADE CHARA.

And i'm not saying i agree or disagree, its just not going to happen. . ..
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jun 12 @ 7:40 AM ET
Would love to have him on Pittsburgh but his cap hit and perceived value are pretty high for what he has delivered the last few years. Not sure if it makes sense or if they could even be trade partners but I would love to see either Lucic or Chara in Pittsburgh.

Any of these options make sense?:
Lucic for Kunitz & Bennett
Lucic & Talbot for Sutter, Bennett & Spalling
Lucic for Perron plus a mid round pick or prospect. This one probably makes the most sense from Boston's side but not as much for Pittsburgh... slight upgrade at left wing but ideally they need to keep Perron to improve their top 6 depth.

- MacPatty

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Charlie.Conway
Boston Bruins
Location: Hockey Purgatory, CT
Joined: 07.18.2014

Jun 12 @ 7:42 AM ET
Krejci pisses me off. The talent is there, and hes done some great things for this team, but theres just no energy to his game. Just not my kind of player.
- TylerSeguin19


If anyone goes on this team besides or instead of Looch, it's Krejci.

And before i hear all the whining about leading the playoffs in points two years in a row i bring your attention to the 2014 playoffs where he was a GHOST. All season long all i hear is "oh, it's ok krejci sucks, cause he's good in the playoffs". . . not the case last year.

If the Bruins want to speed up their game to keep up with the rest of the NHL, krejci goes. Not cause he's slow, but the kind of game he plays. He tries to slow down the action to make a play, usually to have some speedy foward on another team pick his pocket and go the other way.

I'd hate to see Looch go. But i guess its all depending on what kind of identity the good ol' boys want the bruins to have.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jun 12 @ 7:56 AM ET
I don't know much on Doug Hamilton, but I do know he has done nothing in his young NHL career. If he really wants to be a Bruin he isn't going to slaughter them come negotiating time. He might one day be a Franchise Dman, but he isn't yet and I hate how contracts are given out on 'potential' and not merit.

As a Devil fan, i was so happy we didn't sign Clarkson - that is 5 million wasted. Its stuff like that.

Lucic can ask for 6-8 million a year?! What?! I remember the days when Paul Kariya-like caliber players were making that. Now it seems all you need is a crafty agent and buzz around your name and you are set.

We all want to make as much $$ as possible, but don't consider yourself loyal to your team if you are demanding ridiculous demands.

All I know is starting Draft day to August, its gonna be an exciting off season for the NHL. Lots of changes will be made all around.

eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jun 12 @ 8:24 AM ET
I agree... I'd rather wait to see TSpoon and Poirier develop.
- jtommyt

I don't think you'd have to give up either. With complete respect to Ty, who's work on this site I really like, the last time the Bruins were up against the cap and had to trade someone he said (and I'm paraphrasing) "if it's Boychuk going to the Islanders, the asking price would start with Okposo". We know how that ended up turning out.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jun 12 @ 8:25 AM ET
I don't know much on Doug Hamilton, but I do know he has done nothing in his young NHL career. If he really wants to be a Bruin he isn't going to slaughter them come negotiating time. He might one day be a Franchise Dman, but he isn't yet and I hate how contracts are given out on 'potential' and not merit.

As a Devil fan, i was so happy we didn't sign Clarkson - that is 5 million wasted. Its stuff like that.

Lucic can ask for 6-8 million a year?! What?! I remember the days when Paul Kariya-like caliber players were making that. Now it seems all you need is a crafty agent and buzz around your name and you are set.

We all want to make as much $$ as possible, but don't consider yourself loyal to your team if you are demanding ridiculous demands.

All I know is starting Draft day to August, its gonna be an exciting off season for the NHL. Lots of changes will be made all around.

- Leniwm1

Comparing Clarkson and Hamilton is insane.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jun 12 @ 8:29 AM ET
I don't think you'd have to give up either. With complete respect to Ty, who's work on this site I really like, the last time the Bruins were up against the cap and had to trade someone he said (and I'm paraphrasing) "if it's Boychuk going to the Islanders, the asking price would start with Okposo". We know how that ended up turning out.
- eichiefs9

Yes we do
Bigern4MVP
Calgary Flames
Location: ON
Joined: 05.08.2014

Jun 12 @ 8:30 AM ET
Vermette fetched a first rounder and a D prospect at the deadline.
Chris Stewert a second rounder. Jagr was a second I think....?

Lucic would not fetch the moon, but would get you more then those three.......probably more than those first two combined.

Not saying it is worth it, but someone would give a good package. Maybe a younger team that is on the bubble of being a playoff team........like a Colorado or Calgery or Edmonton.

- JIwasinskiJr

wait was there a new team added to the league? calgEry?
HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Jun 12 @ 8:30 AM ET
I don't think you'd have to give up either. With complete respect to Ty, who's work on this site I really like, the last time the Bruins were up against the cap and had to trade someone he said (and I'm paraphrasing) "if it's Boychuk going to the Islanders, the asking price would start with Okposo". We know how that ended up turning out.
- eichiefs9


Well if the Bruins are serious about getting Hamilton signed before an offer sheet comes his way they will have to move something with no salary coming back. Who I have no idea, but am like everyone else wondering who can be pried loose.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jun 12 @ 8:34 AM ET
Comparing Clarkson and Hamilton is insane.
- eichiefs9



Ya it is, that's why I wasn't... I was saying contract wise its stupid.
77emac77
Boston Bruins
Location: Duct tape cant fix stupid but it can muffle the sound, MA
Joined: 04.22.2010

Jun 12 @ 8:37 AM ET
And that's with playing with a pretty good center too. Krejci is really underrated.
- Nucker101


underrated? he makes 7.5 mil a year, and looch played better without him last year.
He had 4 assists and no goals in two rounds in their last playoff run. How is he underrated?
77emac77
Boston Bruins
Location: Duct tape cant fix stupid but it can muffle the sound, MA
Joined: 04.22.2010

Jun 12 @ 8:39 AM ET
You're right. There's no way the Flames consider this. The Flames need a left shooting left wing player who doesn't skate, like they need a hole in the head. The Flames priority needs are a 6'5" 215 lbs, right hand shooting top 4 D-man (preferably 21-22 years old) and a right hand shooting, hard skating, skilled scoring RW.
The Flames need Lucic right where he is, holding the Bruins up tight against the cap. We will trade you next year's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pick for Dougie Hamilton; right after he signs a 7 year $45.5M offer sheet.

- InSutterWeTrust



thats a cool avatar btw
77emac77
Boston Bruins
Location: Duct tape cant fix stupid but it can muffle the sound, MA
Joined: 04.22.2010

Jun 12 @ 8:39 AM ET
If anyone goes on this team besides or instead of Looch, it's Krejci.
.

- Charlie.Conway



THIS!
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