That was my failed attempt at a joke.
- NANO_23x19

Would have worked if you were faking being drunk.

Like, "The drunker I sit here the longer I get", kinda stuff.

I'm sorry for ruining your joke Nano 437.

You don't have to sell me on RoR, I like him and would welcome him to Toronto.
- Cooshie

Not trying to sell, just trying to elaborate on him since he has gotten a really bad rap bc of his contracts. The guy is good.

Honestly it just is a prime example to GMs if you think you have a special player coming out of their ELCs...dont puss around with a bridge deal. Sign those guys long term so in 2-3 years that contract is looking like a steal.

Hey Tree.

By the way, it's Hazel Mae.
- Atomic Wedgie

ty friend, I feel like it was done on purpose originally.

Why do you think I used his infinite and unquestionable knowledge to make a point???
- Pecafan Fan

As per our arrangement I will keep having young (but legal) & easily influenced HB posters send you Snapchats

We don't see a ton of offer sheets, but it seems to me that the team that is matching the offer to keep the player has turned out that not matching would have been the better option (some times it was obvious at the time even)

Would have worked if you were faking being drunk.

Like, "The drunker I sit here the longer I get", kinda stuff.

I'm sorry for ruining your joke Nano 437.
- Woderwick

I guess I'll study up on Foster Brooks' ability to get laughs whilst acting drunk. Or I could just tell better jokes.

437? Oh, clever.

No I think the Leafs would get a great return on Kessel.



I think you're the one undervaluing other aspects of the game (aspects that Phil Kessel doesn't possess)
- Pecafan Fan

True.

Kessel is what he is. He's not going to overpower a guy going to the net. He'll snipe a top corner shot through his legs instead.

His defensive failings will probably not get much better - but if the team has an actual system it may improve things enough that he can force the opposition to take a step back.

If the Leafs do trade him, people will be surprised on both sides of the coin.

No I think the Leafs would get a great return on Kessel.



I think you're the one undervaluing other aspects of the game (aspects that Phil Kessel doesn't possess)
- Pecafan Fan

Not at all, I totally value all aspects to the game (not just offense). Ultimately, I think the greatest barometer of a players value is what kind of return they can bring in a trade (essentially how other teams value that player). This goes hand in hand with not only their skills but their contract.
I think Kessel @8mill brings in much greater return than RoR @ 7mill.

True.

Kessel is what he is. He's not going to overpower a guy going to the net. He'll snipe a top corner shot through his legs instead.

His defensive failings will probably not get much better - but if the team has an actual system it may improve things enough that he can force the opposition to take a step back.

If the Leafs do trade him, people will be surprised on both sides of the coin.
- A_Tree

The talk of him being untradeable and that the leafs would have to take a bad contract in return is foolish.

Maybe in the case of Phaneuf (the bad contract à la Semin), but not for Kessel I don't think.

True.

Kessel is what he is. He's not going to overpower a guy going to the net. He'll snipe a top corner shot through his legs instead.

His defensive failings will probably not get much better - but if the team has an actual system it may improve things enough that he can force the opposition to take a step back.

If the Leafs do trade him, people will be surprised on both sides of the coin.
- A_Tree

He does more than just snipe goals - the guy is a fantastic playmaker as well. He makes everyone on his line that much better offensively.
But yeah, the guy blows chunks defensively and I hate his "I don't give a sh!t" attitude. I have been preaching a trade for a long time.

The talk of him being untradeable and that the leafs would have to take a bad contract in return is foolish.

Maybe in the case of Phaneuf (the bad contract à la Semin), but not for Kessel I don't think.
- Pecafan Fan

Concurring the contract handed out lately Dion isn't as far overpaid as some make it out to be. And the deals coming will only improve that

He is good in both ends of the ice...being a strong defensive player isnt just being good in your own zone.

The guy was 6th in Selke voting last year while again leading the league in take aways.

Hes a 20-25go 55pt kind of guy, but his skill set can be used in all three zones. He creates scoring chances bc of his defensive ability, striping the puck at mid ice or in the offensive zone and able to feather passes to pure scorers like Dutch or MacKinnon.

I just think you get a lot more miles out of a guy like ROR. PK, PP, offensive or defensive zone starts. To me that is better overall value to an NHL team
- DDM-Coga

In the end, ROR is a second line player. Phil Kessel is a first line player.

We hear all the time how you can't win with Phil, Blah, Blah, Blah. well you're not winning with ROR as your #1 centre.

Dany Heatley used to be a deadly scorer and playmaker.

5 years ago, his play fell off a cliff for no apparent reason.

He was 29.

The talk of him being untradeable and that the leafs would have to take a bad contract in return is foolish.

Maybe in the case of Phaneuf (the bad contract à la Semin), but not for Kessel I don't think.
- Pecafan Fan

This is true.

Dany Heatley used to be a deadly scorer and playmaker.

5 years ago, his play fell off a cliff for no apparent reason.

He was 29.
- Pecafan Fan

Does this have anything to do with Jim Morrison?

Concurring the contract handed out lately Dion isn't as far overpaid as some make it out to be. And the deals coming will only improve that
- burn

By the time the other sought after UFA's are signed, and what they are signed for...Ph9's contract might actually look OK, raising his value.

Dany Heatley used to be a deadly scorer and playmaker.

5 years ago, his play fell off a cliff for no apparent reason.

He was 29.
- Pecafan Fan

He did have some injuries.

By the time the other sought after UFA's are signed, and what they are signed for...Ph9's contract might actually look OK, raising his value.
- Cooshie

Dion's contract looks fine now compared to the UFA D-Men signed last summer. People have blind hatred.

Dany Heatley used to be a deadly scorer and playmaker.

5 years ago, his play fell off a cliff for no apparent reason.

He was 29.
- Pecafan Fan

So Dan Heatley falling off a cliff at 29 means Kessel is going to do the same?

Dany Heatley used to be a deadly scorer and playmaker.

5 years ago, his play fell off a cliff for no apparent reason.

He was 29.
- Pecafan Fan

Knees?

Never really elite skater?

Phil Kessel hasn't missed a game n 6 years. he never hits. Hver gets hit. He's the last person I'm worried about suddenly becoming useless at 29.

why? you guys had a really good team back then
- DoubleDown

not good enough if we had to dress aki

By the time the other sought after UFA's are signed, and what they are signed for...Ph9's contract might actually look OK, raising his value.
- Cooshie

It's pretty hard to pinpoint the "right" contract for a guy. Phaneuf @ 5.5 (or less) would be a steal but would 6 mil plus be overpayment?

Phil Kessel hasn't missed a game n 6 years. he never hits. Hver gets hit. He's the last person I'm worried about suddenly becoming useless at 29.
- RogerRoeper

This.

In the end, ROR is a second line player. Phil Kessel is a first line player.

We hear all the time how you can't win with Phil, Blah, Blah, Blah. well you're not winning with ROR as your #1 centre.
- RogerRoeper

ROR isnt our number 1 centre...Him and Dutch are 1A/1B sort of thing right now.
Phil is a 1st line talent, ROR doesnt have the god gifted pure abilities to be a true 1st line talent, but he has the Hockey IQ to adapt and play with those kind of players.

Being 1st line Wing or 2nd line C, he shows he can play in any role