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Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 10 @ 4:35 PM ET
are you placing your value in offensive stats only?
- DDM-Coga


Overall value to an NHL hockey team....
Obviously RoR is better in his own zone...

Not sure why you are going on trying to compare their skill sets though. Kessel @ 8mill is a better value than RoR @ 7mill just like JVR @ 4Mill is a better value than Phaneuf @ 7mill.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 4:35 PM ET
Just making observation that Kessel @8mill is a much better value than RoR @ 7Mill.

Thanks.

- Cooshie


Last season, Phil Kessel was paid $10,000,000 and he put up 25 goals. 61 points.

Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 10 @ 4:36 PM ET
Last season, Phil Kessel was paid $10,000,000 and he put up 25 goals. 61 points.
- Pecafan Fan


Cap hit, baby, it's all about cap hit.

NANO_23x19
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raaarrr!
Joined: 06.10.2015

Jun 10 @ 4:37 PM ET
Welcome! We'll be glad to help you use a gif for your avatar!

1) Whip out smart phone
2) Open SnapChat
3) Add Pecafan fan
4) Aim phone @ pants & film
5) Remove pants
6) congratulations your gif was automatically just uploaded to HockeyBuzz!

- twiztedmike


Eww....



He's a Habs fan. No thank you.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 4:37 PM ET
Cap hit, baby, it's all about cap hit.
- Cooshie


25 goals for an 8 million cap hit isn't much better if you ask me.
It'S not really an issue if you can contribute in other areas, but we all know it isn't the case with Mr. Kessel.
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 10 @ 4:39 PM ET
25 goals for an 8 million cap hit isn't much better if you ask me.
It'S not really an issue if you can contribute in other areas, but we all know it isn't the case with Mr. Kessel.

- Pecafan Fan


So his one "down" year of 25 goals is in your mind what is representative of what his full contract should be worth. No consideration for any of his previous seasons?
jimi james
Location: Somewhere Between
Joined: 07.17.2010

Jun 10 @ 4:40 PM ET
25 goals for an 8 million cap hit isn't much better if you ask me.
It'S not really an issue if you can contribute in other areas, but we all know it isn't the case with Mr. Kessel.

- Pecafan Fan

Gomez says hi
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jun 10 @ 4:40 PM ET
Long time poster, first time reader here.*

Yeah, so, this is my first post, and I wanted to ask how do you use a gif for your avatar whilst visiting HockeyBuzz on an iPad? I only have "take photo or video" and "use existing photo" as options. Thank you.






*wanted to show where the bar is set on future "jokes" ... I apologize in advance.

- NANO_23x19

Long time poster, first time reader. What the...?
Sammich
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You're the fukin best Bellows!
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jun 10 @ 4:40 PM ET
it took all of 4 pages this time but welcome back to













Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jun 10 @ 4:41 PM ET
Cap hit, baby, it's all about cap hit.
- Cooshie

I was king at caps.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 4:41 PM ET
Gomez says hi
- jimi james


Tell him I say Hi in return.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 10 @ 4:42 PM ET
O'rielly factor... should be interesting to hear these rumors for another season.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 10 @ 4:42 PM ET
Overall value to an NHL hockey team....
Obviously RoR is better in his own zone...

Not sure why you are going on trying to compare their skill sets though. Kessel @ 8mill is a better value than RoR @ 7mill just like JVR @ 4Mill is a better value than Phaneuf @ 7mill.

- Cooshie


He is good in both ends of the ice...being a strong defensive player isnt just being good in your own zone.

The guy was 6th in Selke voting last year while again leading the league in take aways.

Hes a 20-25go 55pt kind of guy, but his skill set can be used in all three zones. He creates scoring chances bc of his defensive ability, striping the puck at mid ice or in the offensive zone and able to feather passes to pure scorers like Dutch or MacKinnon.

I just think you get a lot more miles out of a guy like ROR. PK, PP, offensive or defensive zone starts. To me that is better overall value to an NHL team
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 4:42 PM ET
So his one "down" year of 25 goals is in your mind what is representative of what his full contract should be worth. No consideration for any of his previous seasons?
- Cooshie


Let's see what he does next season.

He'll be 28 when the season starts. And my good friend prock once told me that most players start to decline right around that age!
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 10 @ 4:44 PM ET
Eww....



He's a Habs fan. No thank you.

- NANO_23x19

You may want to change your avatar - naughty words mean the ban hammer comes out, and we wouldn't want that on your first day now, would we?
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 10 @ 4:45 PM ET
Let's see what he does next season.

He'll be 28 when the season starts. And my good friend prock once told me that most players start to decline right around that age!

- Pecafan Fan


One of the most knowledgeable hockeybuzzians.
NANO_23x19
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raaarrr!
Joined: 06.10.2015

Jun 10 @ 4:45 PM ET
Long time poster, first time reader. What the...?
- Woderwick


That was my failed attempt at a joke.
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 10 @ 4:45 PM ET
He is good in both ends of the ice...being a strong defensive player isnt just being good in your own zone.

The guy was 6th in Selke voting last year while again leading the league in take aways.

Hes a 20-25go 55pt kind of guy, but his skill set can be used in all three zones. He creates scoring chances bc of his defensive ability, striping the puck at mid ice or in the offensive zone and able to feather passes to pure scorers like Dutch or MacKinnon.

I just think you get a lot more miles out of a guy like ROR. PK, PP, offensive or defensive zone starts. To me that is better overall value to an NHL team

- DDM-Coga



You don't have to sell me on RoR, I like him and would welcome him to Toronto.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 10 @ 4:45 PM ET
You may want to change your avatar - naughty words mean the ban hammer comes out, and we wouldn't want that on your first day now, would we?
- Atomic Wedgie


Hi Wedge.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 4:46 PM ET
One of the most knowledgeable hockeybuzzians.
- A_Tree



Why do you think I used his infinite and unquestionable knowledge to make a point???
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 10 @ 4:46 PM ET
Hi Wedge.
- A_Tree

Hey Tree.

By the way, it's Hazel Mae.
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 10 @ 4:46 PM ET
Let's see what he does next season.

He'll be 28 when the season starts. And my good friend prock once told me that most players start to decline right around that age!

- Pecafan Fan


I have a sneaky suspicion that even when Kessel does return to his 35goal / 80+pt self, you will have some other reasoning to why his value should be deflated.

Call it a hunch!
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jun 10 @ 4:47 PM ET
That was my failed attempt at a joke.
- NANO_23x19

It was funny - I didn't even notice it
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 10 @ 4:47 PM ET


Why do you think I used his infinite and unquestionable knowledge to make a point???

- Pecafan Fan


It was very prudent.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 4:47 PM ET
I have a sneaky suspicion that even when Kessel does return to his 35goal / 80+pt self, you will have some other reasoning to why his value should be deflated.

Call it a hunch!

- Cooshie


No I think the Leafs would get a great return on Kessel.



I think you're the one undervaluing other aspects of the game (aspects that Phil Kessel doesn't possess)
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