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bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:15 AM ET
simple: different rules about contracts means different contracts.
- Schenn-Sational!



Dozzer. PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT..
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jun 11 @ 9:16 AM ET
What is the difference really. I just picked a name to say ROR was asking for too much, then Marty blew it way out of proportion..

What is really the difference in which high paid player we use as an example.. ??FFS

- bixll

Not sure how to say it any clearer. You aren't talking how much they are paid, you are talking about cap hits. Those are very different conversations.

Crosby is being paid almost twice what RoR is reportedly asking for. That seems about right.


zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Jun 11 @ 9:16 AM ET
Say his name three times in front of a mirror and he appears.
- AdamFrench


.... with this ....

bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:17 AM ET
Not sure how to say it any clearer. You aren't talking how much they are paid, you are talking about cap hits. Those are very different conversations.

Crosby is being paid almost twice what RoR is reportedly asking for. That seems about right.

- Big_Lightnin



Dozzer. PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT..
KesselRules
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The Koolaid tells me Marner > Eichel ~ twiztedmike
Joined: 12.31.2012

Jun 11 @ 9:18 AM ET
Dozzer. PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT..
- bixll


Post a pic of your junk. That'll get you banned.
NANO_23x19
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raaarrr!
Joined: 06.10.2015

Jun 11 @ 9:18 AM ET
9:19 am and there's already heated arguments? Is it always this lively in the comment sections? If so, I'm going to like it here.
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:19 AM ET
Dozzer. PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT..
- bixll

you ok?
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hockeybuzz Fantasy @lucasneilson84 , ON
Joined: 10.04.2013

Jun 11 @ 9:20 AM ET
.... with this ....


- zazzle


candyman
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 11 @ 9:20 AM ET
Crosby is getting paid 47 million in the first 4 years alone. 58 over 5.
ROR would get 49 total over 7 years.


That's the same thing to you?

- Pecafan Fan



About the same as 49 to 104....
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:20 AM ET
you ok?
- Schenn-Sational!



I need a long HB vacation..
GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Jun 11 @ 9:20 AM ET
Phaneuf + Clarkson on team: 12.25m caphit
ROR on team (Phaneuf retained salary) + 7 + 1.5 = 8.5m caphit.

still way better than above.
+ probably a guy like bozak or gardiner would go to colorado, lowering that caphit.

- MaximusAurelius



Or phaneuf traded for edm 16th pick = 0 cap!
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:20 AM ET
I need a long HB vacation..
- bixll

Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 11 @ 9:21 AM ET
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Hockey_Reverend
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jun 11 @ 9:21 AM ET
Can someone explain to me why Gardiner keeps getting mentioned as some great trading piece we have? The article suggests he could be the key to a deal... am I the only one who thinks he sucks? He was awful last year, even beyond awful. I don't care about his stats, he just sucked.... Do the Ave management not watch hockey that they would even consider taking him for ROR? Is 4 million plus good for a defensemen who can't defend?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 11 @ 9:21 AM ET
Not sure how to say it any clearer. You aren't talking how much they are paid, you are talking about cap hits. Those are very different conversations.

Crosby is being paid almost twice what RoR is reportedly asking for. That seems about right.

- Big_Lightnin



No?
Dangles13
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 02.08.2011

Jun 11 @ 9:22 AM ET
Not sure how to say it any clearer. You aren't talking how much they are paid, you are talking about cap hits. Those are very different conversations.

Crosby is being paid almost twice what RoR is reportedly asking for. That seems about right.

- Big_Lightnin


Yes but according to James Tanner Crosby might not even be 4x the player Colton Orr is.

Either way, the margins for being an NHL player are so small that the difference between even Colton Orr and Sydney Crosby might not be 4X.
- JamesTanner


So Crosby isn't worth twice what ROR is.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 11 @ 9:23 AM ET
Not sure how to say it any clearer. You aren't talking how much they are paid, you are talking about cap hits. Those are very different conversations.

Crosby is being paid almost twice what RoR is reportedly asking for. That seems about right.

- Big_Lightnin


maybe a more extreme example...

Paul Stastny and Shea Weber have similar cap hits, within 10% of each other. however Stastny's contract has a value of $28 million while Weber's $114 million. similar cap hits but one deal is worth 4 times as much.
GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Jun 11 @ 9:23 AM ET
Not sure how to say it any clearer. You aren't talking how much they are paid, you are talking about cap hits. Those are very different conversations.

Crosby is being paid almost twice what RoR is reportedly asking for. That seems about right.

- Big_Lightnin


Isn't cap hit more important to a team than actual cash in a given year?

7 mil per for ROR is a lot if cheddar any way you slice it.
And he will probably make 10 mil over the first couple years.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 11 @ 9:23 AM ET
No?
- burn


Yes?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 11 @ 9:23 AM ET
He is not.

If phaneuf gets 7million over a year ago, he should get 8million+.
ROR at 7million is market value, Phaneuf should be in same salary range as Petry, Niskanen etc.

- MaximusAurelius



Riiiight....
GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Jun 11 @ 9:25 AM ET
maybe a more extreme example...

Paul Stastny and Shea Weber have similar cap hits, within 10% of each other. however Stastny's contract has a value of $28 million while Weber's $114 million. similar cap hits but one deal is worth 4 times as much.

- DoubleDown


Stastny is overpaid. Weber is not
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 11 @ 9:25 AM ET
9:19 am and there's already heated arguments? Is it always this lively in the comment sections? If so, I'm going to like it here.
- NANO_23x19


As I said yesterday: welcome to the mad house
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 11 @ 9:25 AM ET
Yes?
- Pecafan Fan



49/7 is half of 104/12?


That's news to me. Since when is 7 almost half of 8.7?
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jun 11 @ 9:26 AM ET
No?
- burn


Yes. $12M is almost twice as much as $7M. I was generalizing.

And if we look at the actually years when RoR's deal would start its 50% more, which still seems fine to me.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hockeybuzz Fantasy @lucasneilson84 , ON
Joined: 10.04.2013

Jun 11 @ 9:26 AM ET
Riiiight....
- burn


bad assessment I agree.

Dion should be paid better than Niskanen and Petry.

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