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Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 11 @ 9:02 AM ET
Why ?? Because you say so..
- bixll


ok.... I'm just gonna assume you didn't hear about the changes to players contract limits and conditions.

I'll also assume that you're not aware that the salary cap goes up every year.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hockeybuzz Fantasy @lucasneilson84 , ON
Joined: 10.04.2013

Jun 11 @ 9:02 AM ET
So we have to add a 1st with kessel to get a cap dump, a concussed cap dump, and a prospect that one day might be almost as good as kessel?

Think I'll keep shopping...

- Big_Lightnin


All depends how you look at Skinner.

Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jun 11 @ 9:02 AM ET
I think I will get a hold of Doz..
- bixll

Say his name three times in front of a mirror and he appears.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 11 @ 9:03 AM ET
now we're getting into semantics because because there are educated guesses and uneducated guesses. anyway we better stop this conversation before dozzer blows in here like a hurricane and shuts it down and bans us.
- DoubleDown



I guess you're right
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jun 11 @ 9:03 AM ET
with that being said about skinner.

would you trade kessel +24th 4 skinner, semin their first

- Lucas Neilson

Umm no.
We're trading Kessel plus a 1st rounder to get an oft injured player, an overpaid salary dump and the 5th?

Id do Kessel + c prospect or a 4th......no more moving 1st rounders for a bit.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:03 AM ET
Wow bix. I know you are smarter than this.
- Big_Lightnin



It not what you are saying, it is how you are saying it..
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 11 @ 9:03 AM ET
Show me where I said that?

I agree with that part. My question was how can you compare 49 to 104 when they are different length.

- burn


Crosby is getting paid 47 million in the first 4 years alone. 58 over 5.
ROR would get 49 total over 7 years.


That's the same thing to you?

bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:04 AM ET
Say his name three times in front of a mirror and he appears.
- AdamFrench

When you text him it happens too.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hockeybuzz Fantasy @lucasneilson84 , ON
Joined: 10.04.2013

Jun 11 @ 9:05 AM ET
Umm no.
We're trading Kessel plus a 1st rounder to get an oft injured player, an overpaid salary dump and the 5th?

Id do Kessel + c prospect or a 4th......no more moving 1st rounders for a bit.

- Fakepartofme


I agree if we could move Bozak and Kessel it would be best

It wasnt a proposal it was just an "IF"

id still consider doing it for the other deal
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jun 11 @ 9:05 AM ET
All depends how you look at Skinner.
- Lucas Neilson

With eyes........on his concussion reports.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jun 11 @ 9:07 AM ET
I agree if we could move Bozak and Kessel it would be best

It wasnt a proposal it was just an "IF"

id still consider doing it for the other deal

- Lucas Neilson

IMO..the leafs keep Kessel and move Bozak.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 11 @ 9:08 AM ET
With eyes........on his concussion reports.
- Fakepartofme


Those don't matter, apparently.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:08 AM ET
ok.... I'm just gonna assume you didn't hear about the changes to players contract limits and conditions.

I'll also assume that you're not aware that the salary cap goes up every year.

- Pecafan Fan



(frank) you ..
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jun 11 @ 9:08 AM ET
All depends how you look at Skinner.
- Lucas Neilson


Apparently Barbara Underhill requested Leafs to trade for him.
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:08 AM ET
Show me where I said that?

I agree with that part. My question was how can you compare 49 to 104 when they are different length.

- burn

easy. the lowest crosby's contract goes in the first 9 years is 9M

in 7 years, he makes approx. $80M

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1576
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jun 11 @ 9:09 AM ET
It not what you are saying, it is how you are saying it..
- bixll

I've had this argument on here a few times... I tend to get impatient when people compare contracts that back dive to lower the cap hit with current contracts where that is no longer possible.

Comparing RoR to Toews, Kane, and Kessels deals makes sense, as these deals were signed under the same CBA conditions. Crosbys was not.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 11 @ 9:11 AM ET
(frank) you ..
- bixll


It's what your posts suggest.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:11 AM ET
I've had this argument on here a few times... I tend to get impatient when people compare contracts that back dive to lower the cap hit with current contracts where that is no lost possible.

Comparing RoR to Toews, Kane, and Kessels deals makes sense, as these deals were signed under the same CBA conditions. Crosbys was not. This is not my opinion, it is a fact.

- Big_Lightnin



What is the difference really. I just picked a name to say ROR was asking for too much, then Marty blew it way out of proportion..

What is really the difference in which high paid player we use as an example.. ??FFS
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:12 AM ET
It's what your posts suggest.
- Pecafan Fan



However you want to spin it.. Good for you...
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hockeybuzz Fantasy @lucasneilson84 , ON
Joined: 10.04.2013

Jun 11 @ 9:12 AM ET
With eyes........on his concussion reports.
- Fakepartofme


i get it dude, 23 years old, potential to score 30+ if healthy.

or could be done after another concussion or two, thats the risk obviously.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jun 11 @ 9:12 AM ET
OMG KEITH, LUONGO, ZETTERBERG, FRANZEN AND HOSSA HAVE CHEAP DEALS
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 11 @ 9:12 AM ET
Gentlemen:

What's going on here?

Save your anger for the Coyotes thread.

It's a helluva lot more fun in there.
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 11 @ 9:14 AM ET
What is the difference really. I just picked a name to say ROR was asking for too much, then Marty blew it way out of proportion..

What is really the difference in which high paid player we use as an example.. ??FFS

- bixll

simple: different rules about contracts means different contracts.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jun 11 @ 9:14 AM ET
What is the difference really. I just picked a name to say ROR was asking for too much, then Marty blew it way out of proportion..

What is really the difference in which high paid player we use as an example.. ??FFS

- bixll


He is not.

If phaneuf gets 7million over a year ago, he should get 8million+.
ROR at 7million is market value, Phaneuf should be in same salary range as Petry, Niskanen etc.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 11 @ 9:15 AM ET
Gentlemen:

What's going on here?

Save your anger for the Coyotes thread.

It's a helluva lot more fun in there.

- Atomic Wedgie



Somebody think of Shane Doan!
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