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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: Ramp-up to the 2015 NHL Draft Pt. 1--Goaltending Prospects in the system
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DynamicThreads
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 07.03.2013

Jun 10 @ 7:54 PM ET
It depends on how you look at it. Foligno is an actual NHL player already. A second rounder is going to be years away. We need some sort of veteran players on the team, so I'd rather not trade one of them who's had his own struggles and has had to figure out how to work through them. I'm not saying I wouldn't trade him ever, I just don't think trading him for a guy like Eddie Lack is really necessary either. That's all.
- HonkFortheGoose


Would he have made an NHL roster if his dad's team didn't draft him? The guy is pretty much a career AHL'er playing in the NHL because of that fact. MFE should be in the bottom 6 before him. I mean, I've never seen anyone hustle so much to do so little, but at least he does hustle his arse off.

And before anyone brings up Nick Foligno and how it took him a few years to develop, I can honestly say Nick always looked like a good player. He always hustled, always played the body and always played hard, was always solid defensively. Marcus? Sorry, but no.

Also, they are two completely different human beings. It's like saying Grigorenko will become like Afinogenov because it took Max a few years to really flourish as a player.
Jacob582
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.06.2012

Jun 10 @ 8:19 PM ET
All of this just could have been solved by taking Fucale and not Compher
- hubie

All of this just could have been solved by taking Vasilevskiy and not Grigorenko.
DynamicThreads
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 07.03.2013

Jun 10 @ 8:35 PM ET
All of this just could have been solved by taking Vasilevskiy and not Grigorenko.
- Jacob582


All of this could have been solved by not trading Hasek to Detroit for Vyacheslav Kozlov.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 10 @ 8:38 PM ET
All of this could have been solved by not trading Hasek to Detroit for Vyacheslav Kozlov.
- DynamicThreads


All of THIS could have been solved by not trading Tom Barasso for Doug Bodger and Darrin Shannon.
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jun 10 @ 8:47 PM ET
All of THIS could have been solved by not trading Tom Barasso for Doug Bodger and Darrin Shannon.
- TheSabresTaco


All of this could have been solved if Bob Sauve wasn't included in a separate trade for a 1st round pick to the Red Wings when Gare, Schoenfeld,and Derek Smith were dealt to Detroit for Mike Foligno, Dale McCourt and Brent Peterson
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jun 10 @ 8:56 PM ET
Would he have made an NHL roster if his dad's team didn't draft him? The guy is pretty much a career AHL'er playing in the NHL because of that fact. MFE should be in the bottom 6 before him. I mean, I've never seen anyone hustle so much to do so little, but at least he does hustle his arse off.

And before anyone brings up Nick Foligno and how it took him a few years to develop, I can honestly say Nick always looked like a good player. He always hustled, always played the body and always played hard, was always solid defensively. Marcus? Sorry, but no.

Also, they are two completely different human beings. It's like saying Grigorenko will become like Afinogenov because it took Max a few years to really flourish as a player.

- DynamicThreads


Yes
sippyd
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Some unreal areas in the suburbs of Detroit. Buffalo, being smaller, simply doesn't have that.-Prock, NY
Joined: 09.30.2007

Jun 10 @ 9:16 PM ET
All of this could have been solved if Bob Sauve wasn't included in a separate trade for a 1st round pick to the Red Wings when Gare, Schoenfeld,and Derek Smith were dealt to Detroit for Mike Foligno, Dale McCourt and Brent Peterson
- GilPerreault11


Best answer.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 10 @ 9:34 PM ET
Would he have made an NHL roster if his dad's team didn't draft him? The guy is pretty much a career AHL'er playing in the NHL because of that fact. MFE should be in the bottom 6 before him. I mean, I've never seen anyone hustle so much to do so little, but at least he does hustle his arse off.

And before anyone brings up Nick Foligno and how it took him a few years to develop, I can honestly say Nick always looked like a good player. He always hustled, always played the body and always played hard, was always solid defensively. Marcus? Sorry, but no.

Also, they are two completely different human beings. It's like saying Grigorenko will become like Afinogenov because it took Max a few years to really flourish as a player.

- DynamicThreads


sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 10 @ 9:47 PM ET
Foligno is an NHL'er.

His biggest issue is being on the Sabres and never once having a defined role. He went from top 6 winger on a hot line, to struggling 3rd line left winger, to 4th line center, back to wing.

Put him on the Hawks 3rd or 4th line and he's a valuable player. He has skill

That being said, I wouldn't miss him if he's moved
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 10 @ 9:56 PM ET
Murray has pretty much said they'll be drafting a goalie pretty high this year, and also that he'll be trading for one.
He'd prefer a younger guy, but isn't opposed to a placeholder for a few years until a young guy is ready.
Makes sense
Obv remains to be seen who we get in a trade.
They may depend on who we draft
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:02 PM ET
DVRd the game, so I just started watching.

Callahan is Tampa's leading points guy in the Cup, but he gets a bad rep BC he's "overpaid"
I just don't get all this hate for him?
Sure, Tampa would've like for him to score like this all playoffs, but he did have an emergency appendectomy early in round 1
And he's managed to be their leading hitter
Also, Cooper put an "A" on his sweater

Meanwhile,
Sharp hasn't scored since GAME TWO of the 2ND ROUND
And some on here want us to trade for him?
I really hope we do not (not that he's horrible)

Is Callahan overpaid?
Probably
But he's still a really good player
And he contributes in big ways, even when he's not scoring
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:03 PM ET
DVRd the game, so I just started watching.

Callahan is Tampa's leading points guy in the Cup, but he gets a bad rep BC he's "overpaid"
I just don't get all this hate for him?
Sure, Tampa would've like for him to score like this all playoffs, but he did have an emergency appendectomy early in round 1
And he's managed to be their leading hitter
Also, Cooper put an "A" on his sweater

Meanwhile,
Sharp hasn't scored since GAME TWO of the 2ND ROUND
And some on here want us to trade for him?
I really hope we do not (not that he's horrible)

Is Callahan overpaid?
Probably
But he's still a really good player
And he contributes in big ways, even when he's not scoring

- jdfitz77

He has 2 goals in 20 something games. He isn't that good and never was
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:05 PM ET
DVRd the game, so I just started watching.

Callahan is Tampa's leading points guy in the Cup, but he gets a bad rep BC he's "overpaid"
I just don't get all this hate for him?
Sure, Tampa would've like for him to score like this all playoffs, but he did have an emergency appendectomy early in round 1
And he's managed to be their leading hitter
Also, Cooper put an "A" on his sweater

Meanwhile,
Sharp hasn't scored since GAME TWO of the 2ND ROUND
And some on here want us to trade for him?
I really hope we do not (not that he's horrible)

Is Callahan overpaid?
Probably
But he's still a really good player
And he contributes in big ways, even when he's not scoring

- jdfitz77


The reason people want Sharp is not only is he a good player, his contract is very short. Right now, with this kind of cap room, any "good" player with a contract of 3 years or less is a great fit for this team, assuming you don't have to give up an arm or a leg to get him.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:09 PM ET
The reason people want Sharp is not only is he a good player, his contract is very short. Right now, with this kind of cap room, any "good" player with a contract of 3 years or less is a great fit for this team.
- buffalofan19


I think most here would take him if it didn't involve giving up valuable assets. That's why in the end I think he will go to a team like the caps who have a need rather than a "nice to have".

Would #51 get Talbot? I'm thinking that wouldn't be enough.
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jun 10 @ 10:10 PM ET
The reason people want Sharp is not only is he a good player, his contract is very short. Right now, with this kind of cap room, any "good" player with a contract of 3 years or less is a great fit for this team, assuming you don't have to give up an arm or a leg to get him.
- buffalofan19


Don't want Sharp, don't need Sharp, he doesn't fit in the rebuild and his ship has sailed. Nice name 2-3 years ago.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:10 PM ET
Why do some think we have to give up a lot for a goalie? we don't and we don't need a 5 mill a yr goalie either. I think 4 mill a year is a lot to pay a goalie, that should be the least of our worry.
- SABRES 89



Bylsma disagrees
He said on the radio the other day that you need a very good one, and u build from the goalie out
Then you need a good top 4
Then u need to be strong down the middle

Those were his words
I agree

This notion that teams win the Cuo with average goaltending is nonsense
You at least need a "good" goalie who is capable of going on a "great" run
That's not a guy like Neuvirth or Lindback, or any other goalie we're likely to get on the cheap
Ya, they looked good for small stretches. But I don't trust that sample size.
But for us to go anywhere,
We're gonna need better. Much better

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:11 PM ET
He has 2 goals in 20 something games. He isn't that good and never was
- sbroads24



You're wrong
And always were
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:11 PM ET
Bolts stink
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:13 PM ET
Don't want Sharp, don't need Sharp, he doesn't fit in the rebuild and his ship has sailed. Nice name 2-3 years ago.
- GilPerreault11


I fail to see how an experienced veteran with championship experience on a short term deal doesn't fit a rebuild. A guy like that is perfect for a rebuild in every aspect.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:13 PM ET
You're wrong
And always were

- jdfitz77

The numbers speak for themselves.

His even strength scoring put him with the likes of Chris Kelly and many other 3rd liners before his trade to TB. Travis Yost wrote a great article on how incredibly over rated he is. And his performance in the playoffs, which by the way isn't just underwhelming this season, proves it
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jun 10 @ 10:14 PM ET
I fail to see how an experienced veteran with championship experience on a short term deal doesn't fit a rebuild. A guy like that is perfect for a rebuild in every aspect.
- buffalofan19


Gionta fills that void
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:14 PM ET
Bolts stink
- homiedclown

They have spark.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:15 PM ET
Gionta fills that void
- GilPerreault11


In every way but the talent part. This team should be stockpiling themselves with that kind of player.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:16 PM ET
The reason people want Sharp is not only is he a good player, his contract is very short. Right now, with this kind of cap room, any "good" player with a contract of 3 years or less is a great fit for this team, assuming you don't have to give up an arm or a leg to get him.
- buffalofan19



Idk
We got our "leaders" last year
Sharp is too inconsistent with the scoring now. And he's been a 3rd liner for them for most of the season
He's still decent, just not worth what I think we'd have to give up for him
And he's on the downswing. By the time we're competing for the Cup he prob won't even be here still anyways.
I guess I don't really see the point
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:17 PM ET
Bylsma disagrees
He said on the radio the other day that you need a very good one, and u build from the goalie out
Then you need a good top 4
Then u need to be strong down the middle

Those were his words
I agree

This notion that teams win the Cuo with average goaltending is nonsense
You at least need a "good" goalie who is capable of going on a "great" run
That's not a guy like Neuvirth or Lindback, or any other goalie we're likely to get on the cheap
Ya, they looked good for small stretches. But I don't trust that sample size.
But for us to go anywhere,
We're gonna need better. Much better

- jdfitz77

We don't need a 4 mill a year goalie
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