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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: Ramp-up to the 2015 NHL Draft Pt. 1--Goaltending Prospects in the system
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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:41 PM ET
When did Enroth, Lindback and Neuvirth ever play for teams like the list you mentioned? Once again, name the last great goalie to win a cup? Nobody is saying that you don't need decent goaltending to win. The argument is that there is "good enough" goaltending and you can find it anywhere. If anything Tampa is proving that you don't need a stud because Bishop has looked shaky many times throughout the playoffs. Hell, Fleury won a cup.
- Slump Buster



I already did
QUICK
AND
RASK

Lindback has sucked everywhere he's gone for the past few years besides a BRIEF decent stretch with us.
Neuvirth had his chance to win the starting goalie for the Caps & lost out To Holtby, and looked bad with NYi
Enroth was always average, and sucked with Dallas

The sample size of success these guys had is far outweighed by all the average (at best) play throughout their careers
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:42 PM ET
I highly doubt Murray trades for old sacks.

He basically spelled it out for public consumption.

- TheSabresTaco

And I highly doubt other GM'S are lined up to hand us young stars

You either fill the roster out with vets or UFA'S
Or
You pay out the ass for "24 and under stars"
Irish 14
Location: South Buffalo
Joined: 01.25.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:43 PM ET
I agree that they are the going rate. I just really hope my team isn't the one to make the colossal mistake of giving it to them. At that rate, this team is better off without those kinds of players, hands down.
- buffalofan19


Tampa is playing for the Cup.........
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:43 PM ET
First of all, if Sharp is moved, it won't be at the draft, so those picks will be off the table. The Blackhawks will need to move some major salary to make room for guys like Saad. A guy like Sharp won't be that expensive to acquire.
- buffalofan19

This.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:43 PM ET
I don't get it, people defend guys like Moulson or Callahan to death, but you mention getting a veteran like Sharp for cheap, and then it's a problem.
- sbroads24

Nothing wrong with Moulson, Callahan or Sharp all are key pieces to a good team, I have no problem adding Sharp if they did but I doubt it.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 10 @ 10:43 PM ET
When did Enroth, Lindback and Neuvirth ever play for teams like the list you mentioned? Once again, name the last great goalie to win a cup? Nobody is saying that you don't need decent goaltending to win. The argument is that there is "good enough" goaltending and you can find it anywhere. If anything Tampa is proving that you don't need a stud because Bishop has looked shaky many times throughout the playoffs. Hell, Fleury won a cup.
- Slump Buster

Ask lundquist if being a great goalie means you win a cup.

the last "elite" to win was broduer. Preceded by an old hasek.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 10 @ 10:44 PM ET
I'm not saying Murray will, just that he should.
- buffalofan19


I made this point today so I'm not gonna get into it again. I like what he's doing and not spending our coveted assets on garbage. It's a waste of currency.

So we trade for 30ish named player. What's he do for us in the long run? Absolutely. Nothing. And what'd you spend to get him? Anything more than throw-away assets like career AHLers and low picks is an absolute and utter waste.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:44 PM ET
Tampa is playing for the Cup.........
- Irish 14

People can't see that but they see the Sabres are golfing yet again so those " overpaid" players must be doing something.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:44 PM ET
Tampa is playing for the Cup.........
- Irish 14



Every team has players they could survive without, even the championship ones. Callahan at $5.2 million is one of those players.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:44 PM ET
I already did
QUICK
AND
RASK

Lindback has sucked everywhere he's gone for the past few years besides a BRIEF decent stretch with us.
Neuvirth had his chance to win the starting goalie for the Caps & lost out To Holtby, and looked bad with NYi
Enroth was always average, and sucked with Dallas

The sample size of success these guys had is far outweighed by all the average (at best) play throughout their careers

- jdfitz77


and both Quick and Rask missed the playoffs after having won the Stanley Cup and President's Trophy.

Yes, you need good goaltending, but it doesn't have to be Hasek like goaltending. Average to above average can get the job done. Every goalie has hot and cold streaks and sometimes you luck out and hit the hot streak at the right time. The other 18 guys in front of the goalie are just as important.
SABRES 89
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Jun 10 @ 10:45 PM ET
Ask lundquist if being a great goalie means you win a cup.

the last "elite" to win was broduer. Preceded by an old hasek.

- SabresFaninIndiana

Quick has 2 so...............
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:45 PM ET
People can't see that but they see the Sabres are golfing yet again so those " overpaid" players must be doing something.
- SABRES 89



Yeah. Benefiting from piss poor money management.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 10 @ 10:45 PM ET
And I highly doubt other GM'S are lined up to hand us young stars

You either fill the roster out with vets or UFA'S
Or
You pay out the ass for "24 and under stars"

- sbroads24


Guess what Murray's gonna do. Watch.
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jun 10 @ 10:45 PM ET
I'm not saying Murray will, just that he should.
- buffalofan19


We got the old sacks last offseason. Now it's time to get a goalie, maybe another core player who is the right age. Then the rest of the roster spots are for our own players to get the playing time to develop not to have it taken from them by old coots who will be gone in a couple years.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:46 PM ET
First of all, if Sharp is moved, it won't be at the draft, so those picks will be off the table. The Blackhawks will need to move some major salary to make room for guys like Saad. A guy like Sharp won't be that expensive to acquire.
- buffalofan19

Hard to believe the hawks don't have a 30 goal scorer this season. Kane 27 Toews 28.
Irish 14
Location: South Buffalo
Joined: 01.25.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:46 PM ET
Every team has players they could survive without, even the championship ones. Callahan at $5.2 million is one of those players.
- buffalofan19



Disagree.

89, just can't make this sh!t up anymore with the twin brothers sbroads and buff19!
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 10 @ 10:46 PM ET
I already did
QUICK
AND
RASK

Lindback has sucked everywhere he's gone for the past few years besides a BRIEF decent stretch with us.
Neuvirth had his chance to win the starting goalie for the Caps & lost out To Holtby, and looked bad with NYi
Enroth was always average, and sucked with Dallas

The sample size of success these guys had is far outweighed by all the average (at best) play throughout their careers

- jdfitz77

Quick and rask had great seasons but to say they are elite I think is wrong. They are good and possibly better than most but to say they are great I don't know.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:46 PM ET
First of all, if Sharp is moved, it won't be at the draft, so those picks will be off the table. The Blackhawks will need to move some major salary to make room for guys like Saad. A guy like Sharp won't be that expensive to acquire.
- buffalofan19


Once again, Sharp would fill the need for teams like Washington so I don't think he will necessarily be cheap. They would be willing to overpay for him. I'd give a third and probably nothing more.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:47 PM ET
Yeah. Benefiting from piss poor money management.
- buffalofan19

Callahan is in the cup finals, the Sabres aren't.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:47 PM ET
Quick and rask had great seasons but to say they are elite I think is wrong. They are good and possibly better than most but to say they are great I don't know.
- SabresFaninIndiana


Exactly. They are in the "next 20" group.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:48 PM ET
They usually get that raise after a cup win.
- cabin


Holtby, Bishop, Elliott, Price, etc
That's just what u have to pay now
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 10 @ 10:48 PM ET
Quick has 2 so...............
- SABRES 89

Quick is good I don't consider him elite
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:48 PM ET
Disagree.

89, just can't make this sh!t up anymore with sbroads and buff19!

- Irish 14

They want to win but not pay anyone, it's like having a team of 3rd liners and trying to make the playoffs. They will be spending and paying players so some should get use to it,.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:49 PM ET
Guess what Murray's gonna do. Watch.
- TheSabresTaco

I'm guessing not as much as people think
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:50 PM ET
They want to win but not pay anyone, it's like having a team of 3rd liners and trying to make the playoffs. They will be spending and paying players so some should get use to it,.
- SABRES 89


Incorrect. I want to pay players that are worth the money they command.
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