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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 8 @ 9:34 AM ET
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20150608_
Sources__Flyers_interview_Kris_Knoblauch_for_Phantoms__coaching_
job.html

flyers possibly hiring the erie otters coach because they plan to move up and take strome???? imagine if they could pull that off and still take provorov at 7.......wake me up, somebody

- hogweed


If they can get the 3rd pick without giving up their 7th, I will be a very happy boy.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jun 8 @ 9:36 AM ET
If they can get the 3rd pick without giving up their 7th, I will be a very happy boy.
- BiggE


See ya Giroux
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Jun 8 @ 9:38 AM ET
If they can get the 3rd pick without giving up their 7th, I will be a very happy boy.
- BiggE

me too....probably have to give away some prospects and players that would make it debatable in terms of whether it makes sense but having 2 top tens??? i just watched 'draft day' so i think i may have dreamed it last night
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
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Jun 8 @ 9:38 AM ET
Dammit, who blew up the page?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
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Jun 8 @ 9:39 AM ET
Trying to figure out what it would take to pry #3 away from Arizona without giving up the 7th pick.

I would guess B. Schenn and Tampa's first at the least.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 8 @ 9:39 AM ET
it doesn't; pure speculation....i forgot about the ahl age rule and strome would likely play in the nhl this year, correct.....still, having a guy who coached the kid in the org may have some benefit for the team if they take him....
- hogweed


Maybe. It's unlikely that most of these guys go into the NHL without at least 1 more
Year, and they've got 2 more years before they could play in the AHL (barring an end- Of-year ATO 2 years from now). I don't think that has much bearing on the trade and, Unless they're giving up one of Giroux/Voracek/Simmonds/Mason and/or Morin/Sanheim, I doubt they're moving up to get Strome AND keeping the 7 pick.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 8 @ 9:41 AM ET
Numbers sometime don’t give you the whole picture
- bmeltzer


Look past the usual box score and you'll find that the underlying numbers on Crouse are actually pretty strong:

ES P: 32 (1)
ES P/60: 1.69 (2)
ES GF%: 58% (4)
Team Goals Created: 9.8% (1)


(#) = denotes rank on team


He was only 17, had three forwards on his team get more TOI, and he still led the team in scoring by a healthy margin. And yeah, Bennett was hurt, too.
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Jun 8 @ 9:41 AM ET
Trying to figure out what it would take to pry #3 away from Arizona without giving up the 7th pick.

I would guess B. Schenn and Tampa's first at the least.

- BiggE

i would think adding 2 more picks (2nd and a third?) or some combination of pick/roster player/top prospect would be minimum
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 8 @ 9:42 AM ET
History of 7th overall picks. Sorry if posted already.

http://www.mynhldraft.com...-picks/7th-overall/70509/

- funmaster18



Niiiiice. Scheifle, skinner, nurse, Wilson, voracek, suter, doan, arnott. That's a great list of players right there.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 8 @ 9:42 AM ET
Dammit, who blew up the page?

- BiggE


You did

(go back and edit the url in your quote)
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Jun 8 @ 9:42 AM ET
Maybe. It's unlikely that most of these guys go into the NHL without at least 1 more
Year, and they've got 2 more years before they could play in the AHL (barring an end- Of-year ATO 2 years from now). I don't think that has much bearing on the trade and, Unless they're giving up one of Giroux/Voracek/Simmonds/Mason and/or Morin/Sanheim, I doubt they're moving up to get Strome AND keeping the 7 pick.

- jmatchett383

you're right......monday morning and i had too much coffee
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jun 8 @ 9:43 AM ET
History of 7th overall picks. Sorry if posted already.

http://www.mynhldraft.com...-picks/7th-overall/70509/

- funmaster18

fresh ideas and coaches is a great concept. I like it.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 8 @ 9:45 AM ET
Trying to figure out what it would take to pry #3 away from Arizona without giving up the 7th pick.

I would guess B. Schenn and Tampa's first at the least.

- BiggE


I feel like it'd be more like Simmonds & tampa's 1st. Which I wouldn't be opposed to. To get marner or strome, I'd think real hard about that option. (if it was there of course)
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
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Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 8 @ 9:49 AM ET
I feel like it'd be more like Simmonds & tampa's 1st. Which I wouldn't be opposed to. To get marner or strome, I'd think real hard about that option. (if it was there of course)
- benjichronic


For 3rd overall? You're talking Simmonds, Laughton, and the 29th pick, and maybe even a 2nd and/or 3rd, with a 2nd or 3rd coming back to the Flyers. No way Phoenix moves that pick.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 9:49 AM ET


i'd like a more personal apology instead of this blanket statement.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 8 @ 9:50 AM ET
Are advertisements taking up like 3/4 of the comment boards for anyone else? They seem to do that for me sometimes, and it overlaps with the comments and then I can't read poop.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 9:50 AM ET


and i'm gonna need one from biggE.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 8 @ 9:51 AM ET
For 3rd overall? You're talking Simmonds, Laughton, and the 29th pick, and maybe even a 2nd and/or 3rd, with a 2nd or 3rd coming back to the Flyers. No way Phoenix moves that pick.
- mochoson


Phoenix could use a marquee guy in this draft, I would think.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 8 @ 9:51 AM ET
For 3rd overall? You're talking Simmonds, Laughton, and the 29th pick, and maybe even a 2nd and/or 3rd, with a 2nd or 3rd coming back to the Flyers. No way Phoenix moves that pick.
- mochoson


And then at that point, I say thank you sir, good day. No way I give up that much to move up 4 spots in a draft as deep as this. The most I'm giving up is Simmonds & (misspoke earlier) #7 pick to get to #3.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 8 @ 9:52 AM ET
Look past the usual box score and you'll find that the underlying numbers on Crouse are actually pretty strong:

ES P: 32 (1)
ES P/60: 1.69 (2)
ES GF%: 58% (4)
Team Goals Created: 9.8% (1)


(#) = denotes rank on team


He was only 17, had three forwards on his team get more TOI, and he still led the team in scoring by a healthy margin. And yeah, Bennett was hurt, too.

- Tomahawk


I wouldn't mind Crouse, but if they want him I hope they'd try something creative like trading back with Colorado or San Jose and picking up an extra 2nd. The last thing I want is Provorov going to CBJ.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 8 @ 9:52 AM ET
Phoenix could use a marquee guy in this draft, I would think.
- johndewar


I doubt Marner survives their pick. They seem to have a thing for London Knights.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 8 @ 9:52 AM ET
and i'm gonna need one from biggE.
- -davies-


I'm sorry


Also, I would edit my earlier post with the URL, but the damn popup ads are blocking my access to it.

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 8 @ 9:53 AM ET
Are advertisements taking up like 3/4 of the comment boards for anyone else? They seem to do that for me sometimes, and it overlaps with the comments and then I can't read poop.
- benjichronic


Me too
Jack-Meoff
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jun 8 @ 9:54 AM ET
This is exactly why I do not want the Flyers to draft Crouse.... if they do I feel like it will be a big miss by the organization.....

http://www.broadstreethoc...son-crouse-at-7th-overall
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 8 @ 9:54 AM ET
I'm sorry


Also, I would edit my earlier post with the URL, but the damn popup ads are blocking my access to it.


- BiggE


This should work for you:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com...&forum_id=1&edit=14786336
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