He had 23 points in 59 games this year. He's a great value at 4.5M

Who are these younger, better defensemen that are available?
- Nucker101

Sbisa?

Sbisa?
- 1970vintage

Nucker was asking for that.

He had 23 points in 59 games this year. He's a great value at 4.5M

Who are these younger, better defensemen that are available?
- Nucker101

Correct Hammer had 23 points in 59 games which isn't bad but what about age? Goal production? Skating? You want to give him a raise when all of the above are on the decline?

Krug, Gorges, Daley, Carlson, Gardiner, Braun, Hamonic, Dekeyser, Scandella, Ellis...

Lots of younger Dmen out there making less than Hammer producing as many or way more points. Now I'm not saying all are available but they are out there...

Sbisa?
- 1970vintage

Huskins?

(frank) jail is a female dog
- A_SteamingLombardi

I know a lawyer.

Nucker was asking for that.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Ahh, good, you're not in jail!

Ahh, good, you're not in jail!
- 1970vintage

They can't hold me down.

He had 23 points in 59 games this year. He's a great value at 4.5M

Who are these younger, better defensemen that are available?
- Nucker101

Hammer is a reigning olympics gold medallist... top 8 Canadian dman in the world. he didn't get on that team by accident.

he's a steal 4.6. he's not there to score goals, that's why you put a complimentary piece with him...

Correct Hammer had 23 points in 59 games which isn't bad but what about age? Goal production? Skating? You want to give him a raise when all of the above are on the decline?

Krug, Gorges, Daley, Carlson, Gardiner, Braun, Hamonic, Dekeyser, Scandella, Ellis...

Lots of younger Dmen out there making less than Hammer producing as many or way more points. Now I'm not saying all are available but they are out there...
- LordHumungous

none of those guys does what hammer does. Gardiner? that guy isn't as good as Sbisa...

Hammer is a reigning olympics gold medallist... top 8 Canadian dman in the world. he didn't get on that team by accident.

he's a steal 4.6. he's not there to score goals, that's why you put a complimentary piece with him...
- kaptaan

so is Neidermier

Hammer is a reigning olympics gold medallist... top 8 Canadian dman in the world. he didn't get on that team by accident.

he's a steal 4.6. he's not there to score goals, that's why you put a complimentary piece with him...
- kaptaan

Trade Bieksa, let go of Weber and sign Erhoff to Sbisa money for 2 years to play with Hamhuis. Sbisa can drop to being a 6-7 D and you can have Corrado and then rotate Sbisa, Clendenning, Pedan and Biega in as necessary.

Trade Bieksa, let go of Weber and sign Erhoff to Sbisa money for 2 years to play with Hamhuis. Sbisa can drop to being a 6-7 D and you can have Corrado and then rotate Sbisa, Clendenning, Pedan and Biega in as necessary.
- DariusKnight

I don't think Erhoff is going to take Sbisa money

Hammer is a reigning olympics gold medallist... top 8 Canadian dman in the world. he didn't get on that team by accident.

he's a steal 4.6. he's not there to score goals, that's why you put a complimentary piece with him...
- kaptaan

Cassels wins the memorial cup and our farm team advances to the Calder cup finals.





WTF is going on here?

Cassels wins the memorial cup and our farm team advances to the Calder cup finals.





WTF is going on here?
- vancity787

Winning franchise in the making - in Benning we trust

none of those guys does what hammer does. Gardiner? that guy isn't as good as Sbisa...
- kaptaan

You are absolutely right. None of them do what Hammer does...they just put up more points for less money.

Gardiner has had 30+ points 3/4 past seasons on a god awful Leafs club before the age of 24. I think it will be awhile before we see that from Spizza...

Trade Bieksa, let go of Weber and sign Erhoff to Sbisa money for 2 years to play with Hamhuis. Sbisa can drop to being a 6-7 D and you can have Corrado and then rotate Sbisa, Clendenning, Pedan and Biega in as necessary.
- DariusKnight

Erhoff won't play 2/3 of the season, he will take roster spot from a waiver eligible younger player. If that's the only upgrade JB is planning on defence, a top ten pick next year is not unrealistic.

You are absolutely right. None of them do what Hammer does...they just put up more points for less money.

Gardiner has had 30+ points 3/4 past seasons on a god awful Leafs club before the age of 24. I think it will be awhile before we see that from Spizza...
- LordHumungous

Those players can put as many points as they like; however, in order to win games they have to prevent more points than they score.

That's generally how it works... As far as I know.

You are absolutely right. None of them do what Hammer does...they just put up more points for less money.

Gardiner has had 30+ points 3/4 past seasons on a god awful Leafs club before the age of 24. I think it will be awhile before we see that from Spizza...
- LordHumungous

What good is a defenceman that can't defend? Points from the backend are nice, and we need more of that on our roster, but not at the expense of actual defence.

The Leafs were God Awful because they couldn't defend, but they could put up points.

You are absolutely right. None of them do what Hammer does...they just put up more points for less money.

Gardiner has had 30+ points 3/4 past seasons on a god awful Leafs club before the age of 24. I think it will be awhile before we see that from Spizza...
- LordHumungous

And still learning how to play defence, he's not Bobby Orr. I'll take Tanev any day.

Bieksa is the one that needs to go this summer/draft, not Hamhuis.

Trade Hamhuis at next years TDL for draft picks...that's how it should be done if management has any clue about a path forward.

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