A guy with 1 70 point season is very close to him offensively...
- RogerRoeper

Toews is a better captain and leader IMO though and hes a (frank)ing awesome hockey player
- PinkSock

hes a better leader because his teams wins

I hate this 'leader' crap

Staal was an incredible young leader when he won the cup with carolina.... now hes an after thought

team success = captain is leader.

if we put toews on buffalo he is an after thought and cant lead.

hes on a good team, that is all.

Kick to the nuts of the Ducks...
- lumlums

Yeah, i heard Romanuk say that too

You're right, Crosby's the greatest ever, I was wrong...
- Newfinator81

We all know that the only thing important is how many points they get.
That's why Kessel is sooooo (frank)in awesome!

so much crispy pork belly

fried rice

mucho watermelon

bloated like a python on pork belly

We all know that the only thing important is how many points they get.
That's why Kessel is sooooo (frank)in awesome!
- fidopro

Aww did the mean leafs fans hurt your feelings

Ovechkin = cant lead

because his teams have never been good enough to win.

if Hal Gil was captain of the blackhawks right now he's be a great leader.

We all know that the only thing important is how many points they get.
That's why Kessel is sooooo (frank)in awesome!
- fidopro

the argument is about point production though?

hes a better leader because his teams wins

I hate this 'leader' crap

Staal was an incredible young leader when he won the cup with carolina.... now hes an after thought

team success = captain is leader.

if we put toews on buffalo he is an after thought and cant lead.

hes on a good team, that is all.
- Lee Denault

if thats your opinion

Ovechkin = cant lead

because his teams have never been good enough to win.

if Hal Gil was captain of the blackhawks right now he's be a great leader.
- Lee Denault

you pick horrible examples, ones that are so far to the extreme

Ovechkin = cant lead

because his teams have never been good enough to win.

if Hal Gil was captain of the blackhawks right now he's be a great leader.
- Lee Denault

No, people say Ovechkin can't lead because a) he's Russian, b) his personality.

the argument is about point production though?
- Lee Denault

It was? Not for me...

hes a better leader because his teams wins

I hate this 'leader' crap

Staal was an incredible young leader when he won the cup with carolina.... now hes an after thought

team success = captain is leader.

if we put toews on buffalo he is an after thought and cant lead.

hes on a good team, that is all.
- Lee Denault

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if thats your opinion
- PinkSock

there are exceptions to the rule, but most NHL legends who were 'leaders' won cups.

i can think of one close to home that is known as a leader but never won anything.

you pick horrible examples, ones that are so far to the extreme
- PinkSock

well im not going to pick examples that tear my opinion at the seams am i

now Toews isnt a leader, why is he even captain? and why on every team does he wear a letter?

- Sammich[/URL]

alright alright alright.

ET LE BUUUUUUTTTTT!!!!!

now Toews isnt a leader, why is he even captain? and why on every team does he wear a letter?
- PinkSock

Does Brian Gionta spark you as a leader?

he wears the 'C' too. Just on a miserable team.


How about Dion Phaneuf?

put them on Chicago, give them the 'C'. see what people say about them then.

ET LE BUUUUUUTTTTT!!!!!
- lumlums

Crawford felt bad they allowed the 4th one to CHI. He's a very generous man.

It was? Not for me...
- fidopro

All I said at the beginning was "Toews > Crosby" after Toews scored his second goal in game 7. The only argument people have against it is the point production.

Chara, great leader when the bruins were good.

Now i haven't heard his name after that ~terrible season the bruins had.

I'm sure there are tons more, but i don't want to use my brain anymore

Does Brian Gionta spark you as a leader?

he wears the 'C' too. Just on a miserable team.


How about Dion Phaneuf?

put them on Chicago, give them the 'C'. see what people say about them then.
- Lee Denault

Now you're pushing it. Toews is widely considered one of the best leaders in the game. That's why Crosby called and chatted with him before taking the "C" for team Canada. But yeah Crosby was still named captain over him and the olympics if that was the argument being made

there are exceptions to the rule, but most NHL legends who were 'leaders' won cups.

i can think of one close to home that is known as a leader but never won anything.
- Lee Denault

not sure what point your trying to make or magical rule , to be a legend you would think you were a leader, how the (frank) do achieve legend status and not ever lead?

I can ramble a whole list off of leaders who didnt win cups, and not every star is a leader and you dont have to be a star to be one



an example i think is a guy like Joel Otto,

Crawford felt bad they allowed the 4th one to CHI. He's a very generous man.
- fidopro

Well that's one way to look at it...