I'm not looking at team accomplishments, I'm looking at stats.
- HawksHype

"I doubt it's absurd. Hawks have won 2 Stanley Cups and gotten to their 4th WCF in his time here"

thats not a team accomplishment?

Last night they let them play early and then called a very BAD ticky tack penalty on the Hawks in the 3rd. Can't switch the tolerance level mid game. All players ask for is consistency and last night was bad in that department.

Outside of that I never complain about officiating and agree with you on the outcome of the series re officiating.

I assume we will see the same, players play, Friday and Saturday with limited PPs.
- SteveRain

and they let go a faceoff violation late in the game that would have put the blackhawks down a man. i haven't seen any blackhawks fans mentioning that when criticizing the refs.

3) The refs are not gaming the Ducks. At all.

Getting in an extra cross check or a shot to the face after you’ve been whistled for a penalty is, in fact, yet another penalty. The Ducks have gotten away with this on at least two occasions. Clutching, grabbing, slashing is going both ways. So if you’re still complaining about the officiating as an Anaheim fan, saying it is unfair to your team, you just need to stop. You don’t sound very bright, much less objective.

I'm pretty sure any complaining by Ducks fans about officiating is merely an attempt to get Hawks fans to acknowledge their constant whining about the officiating is ridiculous. i.e. The Hawks get away with a ton of crap too.

Everyday on TSN.com ex HNL referee Kerry Fraser reviews a play and gives his take on the call or non call involved. Todays column is about the non call on the interference on Stoner's goal.

http://www.tsn.ca/c-mon-r...not-have-counted-1.293901
- paulr

Thanks for the link.

I did not know this is going to change:

Goalie interference is currently not reviewable through the video review process. Next season however, you will see the Referees huddle in front of a tablet or other monitoring device located in the penalty box to review any incident where goalie interference is suspected. They will then make the call on the ice based on their review of the play. That's real good news for the future.

"I doubt it's absurd. Hawks have won 2 Stanley Cups and gotten to their 4th WCF in his time here"

thats not a team accomplishment?
- flyershockey

From my original post, it discusses the stats. What I meant by that is the fact that he put up those stats with long playoff runs against top teams. Your argument to my stats was that Nashville was a far worse team, which would make you hint at team accomplishments.

and they let go a faceoff violation late in the game that would have put the blackhawks down a man. i haven't seen any blackhawks fans mentioning that when criticizing the refs.
- nurk

I must have missed that....I was at the game but my seats were in the Anaheim zone when that happened.

If we are going to play the woulda, coulda, shoulda game........go back and look at Bickell's horrific blunder in game 5 from the camera above Anderson. What you will see are SEVEN Ducks on the ice.....Kesler and his cronie jumped on WAY ahead of Cogolino and some other guy getting off.........technically that was too many men.........No I don't have a link. I saw the still frame shot going around that NHL network had.

Puck is already off Bickell's stick, so curious to see if both those Duck Fs made it off before Kesler took possession.........

the world being flat is something that can be proven. you can have stats to back up your opinion on a players worth, but it cant be proven with absolute certainty like the world being round.
- flyershockey

OK. David Rundblad is better than Kris Letang.

Hey, what brand of coke did the Hawks have in their room last night? Those dudes were flying all game long. I haven't seen that from them yet in this series.

(That crack was meant a compliment. Settle down wierdos.)
- yzermaneely

They raised their game. Your ducks will do the same. Somebody is going to get smoked Saturday.....sadly for you, we took out grandpa from the lineup in fear of his safety.

I'm expecting a very low scoring, tight checked game.

Last night they let them play early and then called a very BAD ticky tack penalty on the Hawks in the 3rd. Can't switch the tolerance level mid game. All players ask for is consistency and last night was bad in that department.

Outside of that I never complain about officiating and agree with you on the outcome of the series re officiating.

I assume we will see the same, players play, Friday and Saturday with limited PPs.
- SteveRain

This fact alone gets me angry. Fans don't get it. Refs do decide games. The lack of calls (when teams commit penalties that are not called) allows them to continue to play in their rotation. Any team, when having to play special team minutes, has players off their lines, playing extended minutes, etc. A center needing to take a defensive draw (or offensive draw) before he has time to fully rest between shifts will make a difference later int he game. D men may play more shifts than would be. It is just ignorant to think that officiating does not affect the game. It does.

They raised their game. Your ducks will do the same. Somebody is going to get smoked Saturday.....sadly for you, we took out grandpa from the lineup in fear of his safety.

I'm expecting a very low scoring, tight checked game.
- SteveRain

I'm curious to see if the Hawks open it up and push the play instead of sitting back and let the play come to them as they did to start game 5.

OK. David Rundblad is better than Kris Letang.
- BreakoutHockey

This is the most sane thing ive heard all day

I'm curious to see if the Hawks open it up and push the play instead of sitting back and let the play come to them as they did to start game 5.
- paulr

Me too.........age old adage says to survive the 1st, 10 on the road. I think they will attack but smartly.

Very curious to see what lines Q rolls out. I PRAY to god he doesn't insert 44 based on it being a game 7 on the road, and needing that experience factor. I may lose it if that happens.

Hawks need Saad to show up in a road game. At home he's a super star. On the road.........he's a Sedin.

OK. David Rundblad is better than Kris Letang.
- BreakoutHockey

Exactly, if we are going to play dumb and just throw out stupid comparisons since we cant PROVE it in any factual matter, then what is there to say Rundblad isnt better than Letang?

This fact alone gets me angry. Fans don't get it. Refs do decide games. The lack of calls (when teams commit penalties that are not called) allows them to continue to play in their rotation. Any team, when having to play special team minutes, has players off their lines, playing extended minutes, etc. A center needing to take a defensive draw (or offensive draw) before he has time to fully rest between shifts will make a difference later int he game. D men may play more shifts than would be. It is just ignorant to think that officiating does not affect the game. It does.
- powerenforcer

within reason, but mercy..........this JFK conspiracy thing you have going on needs to take a break. The NHL is NOT out to get the Chicago Blackhawks. If they were, the Hawks would have been out long a go, and probably not have 2 championships and 7 wcf appearances.

The refs aren't perfect and their up/down tolerance of what should/is called is BS. I agree but it does happen to both teams. This isn't an inside job going on. It's power hungry morons puffing out their egos.

like when kesler slashed someones stick with his wrist?

officiating hasnt been a deciding factor in any game in this series, give it a rest. we've seen the two best teams in the league punch each other back and forth for 6 games, and 7 should be a beauty.
- flyershockey

Prove it.

If you don't think the refs swallowing the whistles is more of an advantage for the more physical teams over the more speed/skill based teams, then I don't know what to tell you.

Then there's that whole blown too many men call on the game winner in game 5, but I'm sure that had zero impact on the game whatsoever.

How about Andrew Shaw, what a valuable hockey player he has become for the Hawks. His performance last night was simply outstanding...he's a gamer for sure!

How about Andrew Shaw, what a valuable hockey player he has become for the Hawks. His performance last night was simply outstanding...he's a gamer for sure!
- MexicoHawk

He worked his absolute ass off all game. He deserved those 2 goals

Prove it.

If you don't think the refs swallowing the whistles is more of an advantage for the more physical teams over the more speed/skill based teams, then I don't know what to tell you.

Then there's that whole blown too many men call on the game winner in game 5, but I'm sure that had zero impact on the game whatsoever.
- Ogilthorpe2

so the blackhawks havent gotten away with anything, just the ducks?

yes, anaheim has big players, but they also have a lot of speed and skill, dont act like they are just a bunch of lugs out there on the ice. theyve proven through 6 games they are equals with the hawks, deal with it. its been a great series, both teams are really (frank)ing good.

Prove it.

If you don't think the refs swallowing the whistles is more of an advantage for the more physical teams over the more speed/skill based teams, then I don't know what to tell you.

Then there's that whole blown too many men call on the game winner in game 5, but I'm sure that had zero impact on the game whatsoever.
- Ogilthorpe2

The Too many men called I pointed out. I haven't been able to see a wide enough shot to see if those 2 were in the grace area OR off completely before Kesler took that pass....hell they may have been offsides as well IF they hadn't gotten off the ice.

Of course the more 1995 hockey that gets played favors the larger teams. My point to that is, there are also calls mid game that should be called on BOTH teams that don't happen. Hawks had 4 PPs in the 1st period of game 3, and crapped themselves. That's on them.

Exactly, if we are going to play dumb and just throw out stupid comparisons since we cant PROVE it in any factual matter, then what is there to say Rundblad isnt better than Letang?
- FourFeathers773

My eyes.

Gotta look quick, getting blow away with all the other ducks


- FourFeathers773

Fantastic!

within reason, but mercy..........this JFK conspiracy thing you have going on needs to take a break. The NHL is NOT out to get the Chicago Blackhawks. If they were, the Hawks would have been out long a go, and probably not have 2 championships and 7 wcf appearances.

The refs aren't perfect and their up/down tolerance of what should/is called is BS. I agree but it does happen to both teams. This isn't an inside job going on. It's power hungry morons puffing out their egos.
- SteveRain

My comment has nothing to do about conspiracy. It was a point to make against the phrase, "officials don't decide the outcome of the game". They sure do!

so the blackhawks havent gotten away with anything, just the ducks?
- flyershockey

Not what I said. Not what I said at all. The Hawks have gotten away with lots, but most of it within the flow of the game. The Ducks have gotten away with more...especially the after the whistle/away from the play nonsense that a physical team, who's stated objective is to beat the Hawks into submission, is more likely to attempt.

Cross-checking apparently no longer a penalty.

so the blackhawks havent gotten away with anything, just the ducks?

yes, anaheim has big players, but they also have a lot of speed and skill, dont act like they are just a bunch of lugs out there on the ice. theyve proven through 6 games that when the refs allow them to do as they please, they are equals with the hawks, deal with it. its been a great series, both teams are really (frank)ing good.
- flyershockey

Fixed.

If they called penalties in the playoffs like they do in the regular season, the Ducks would spen 1/2 of each game two men short.

Not what I said. Not what I said at all. The Hawks have gotten away with lots, but most of it within the flow of the game. The Ducks have gotten away with more...especially the after the whistle/away from the play nonsense that a physical team, who's stated objective is to beat the Hawks into submission, is more likely to attempt.

Cross-checking apparently no longer a penalty.
- Ogilthorpe2

Silfverberg** running into Crows glove