what are the sharks needs and which players are the only untouchables (couture, pavelski, hertl, vlasic, burns) ?
- AlfieisKing

Are needs is a left handed defensman, also a righty if we don't resign Fedun & a tender. But we don't want your trash Alfie like Neil & Michalek that you'll try to package with Lehner.

what are the sharks needs and which players are the only untouchables (couture, pavelski, hertl, vlasic, burns) ?
- AlfieisKing

One thing I love about the Sharks fans on here...you're going to get a different response from everyone. We'll even add in some "(frank) off"s too.

So my 2 cents. Thornton and Marleau won't waive their clauses so they are "untouchable" in a different way. I think Hertl shouldn't be moved simply because he has the highest ceiling of any player on our team. Last year he was coming back from his torn knee ligaments still. He looked like the rookie that was taking the league by storm in the second half of last season with Tierney. I would say Tierney should stay put, and so should Burns and Vlasic.

Our best trade pieces are Dillon, Wingels, Nieto, and if the package is good Braun. If you're interested in prospects:

Forwards: Chartier, Goldobin, Jevpalovs, Sadowy, O'Regan, and Labanc are all at least better than average prospects. Chartier was top 5 in goals in the WHL and had one of the best Goals/Game ratios, Goldobin is our blue chip prospect who scored 50% of Sarnia's points while he was there, and spent last season learning at the professional level in Finland. Jevpalovs has his entry level contract, and was basically a 50/50 guy in the QMJHL last season. Sadowy was one of the best goal scorers in the OHL this season. Labanc is a playmaker who is very slippery, and makes pretty extraordinary passes. GREAT PP facilitator. O'Regan was a center for Boston University and actually centered the line with Eichel quite a bit. He's going to be a very good player, and he actually played with Matt Nieto when he was there too. Nieto was a Senior when O'Regan was a freshman.

Chartier, Labanc, and Jevpalovs also play Center.

We also have Joonas Donskoi, but he's such a new addition I don't come from a position of knowledge. So I won't jest to know much about him.

Defensemen: Bergman, Demelo, Fedun, Abelthauser, Vanier

This is a weaker group than our forward group for certain. Bergman has top 4 talent and is very offensively gifted for a blue liner. Still has some work to do in his own end like many offensive defensemen, but he's our best that we have right now. Demelo and Fedun have been in the Minors for a while. Fedun got some NHL time with both Edmonton and San Jose. I like him, and I hope we resign him and let him compete for a starting day stop. I have him on our second pair with Dillon next season in my projection. Abelthauser took a step back at the end of last season, but prior to that he was highly regarded. We'll see how he looks out of training camp and take it from there. Vanier is in the QMJHL, and he has a BOOMING slapper. He has the potential to be Crankshaft 2.0 with that slapper. He won't beat you with speed, but he delivers bonecrushing hits. I think he will be a good third pair guy with a slapper for the second PP unit.

Are needs is a left handed defensman, also a righty if we don't resign Fedun & a tender. But we don't want your trash Alfie like Neil & Michalek that you'll try to package with Lehner.
- SJSharks39

Sorry got excited about prospects again and forgot the needs part of the question.

So the lineup as I see it now...

Pavelski/Thornton/??
Hertl/Couture/Marleau
Nieto/Tierney/Karlsson
Goodrow/Smith/Wingels

Vlasic/Braun
Dillon/Burns
Mueller/??

OR

Vlasic/Burns
Dillon/Fedun
Mueller/Braun

Stalock/?? OR ??/Stalock

So to summarize I think we need a top 6 right winger, and an offensive or 2 way defenseman (Left or Right). That way depending what we get we can begin shopping someone else. If we get a top 4 right handed defenseman we can package Braun due to his value. If we get a lefty we can decide if we want to keep Dillon or Mueller and shop the other. Then, we draft a defenseman with our first round pick this year and we get Bergman ready in 2 years.

Are needs is a left handed defensman, also a righty if we don't resign Fedun & a tender. But we don't want your trash Alfie like Neil & Michalek that you'll try to package with Lehner.
- SJSharks39

just floating for fun................

do you think the sharks would have any interest in moving the 9th pick, for the 18th pick, 42nd pick, and craig anderson/robin lehner?

just floating for fun................

do you think the sharks would have any interest in moving the 9th pick, for the 18th pick, 42nd pick, and craig anderson/robin lehner?
- sensarmy_11

Only if Provorov or Werenski are off the board then yeah.

Sorry got excited about prospects again and forgot the needs part of the question.

So the lineup as I see it now...

Pavelski/Thornton/??
Hertl/Couture/Marleau
Nieto/Tierney/Karlsson
Goodrow/Smith/Wingels

Vlasic/Braun
Dillon/Burns
Mueller/??

OR

Vlasic/Burns
Dillon/Fedun
Mueller/Braun

Stalock/?? OR ??/Stalock

So to summarize I think we need a top 6 right winger, and an offensive or 2 way defenseman (Left or Right). That way depending what we get we can begin shopping someone else. If we get a top 4 right handed defenseman we can package Braun due to his value. If we get a lefty we can decide if we want to keep Dillon or Mueller and shop the other. Then, we draft a defenseman with our first round pick this year and we get Bergman ready in 2 years.
- IDtheJC

Our top 6 RW is Pavs...........also Fedun's a UFA & you can't be certain he'll be resigned.
your 2nd line needs a right handed shot.....no good with 3 leftys, Marleau can't play RW only centre/LW same with Hertl.

Are needs is a left handed defensman, also a righty if we don't resign Fedun & a tender. But we don't want your trash Alfie like Neil & Michalek that you'll try to package with Lehner.
- SJSharks39

Neil and Michalek's trade value are lower that's a given but Michalek was almost a point per game player in the last 30 games and was key in the top 6 with Turris + Mac

Neil is the guy you want the playoffs and has been linked to SJ. Don't know how much longer has has been he's not hannan lol. Those two would be cheap buys with good return. But ya I'm not saying trade them in a package for couture

Are needs is a left handed defensman, also a righty if we don't resign Fedun & a tender. But we don't want your trash Alfie like Neil & Michalek that you'll try to package with Lehner.
- SJSharks39

Left handed in the top 4 and righty ... anywhere?

Neil and Michalek's trade value are lower that's a given but Michalek was almost a point per game player in the last 30 games and was key in the top 6 with Turris + Mac

Neil is the guy you want the playoffs and has been linked to SJ. Don't know how much longer has has been he's not hannan lol. Those two would be cheap buys with good return. But ya I'm not saying trade them in a package for couture
- AlfieisKing

come on now.......ottawa had him in the playoffs, and he was a healthy scratch for all but one game.

michalek and neil have approximately ZERO value. neil based on the fact that he sucks, and michalek based on the fact that he has a pretty bad contract, and is an average 3rd line player at best.

One thing I love about the Sharks fans on here...you're going to get a different response from everyone. We'll even add in some "(frank) off"s too.

thronton, marleau not waving. Hertl and Tierney. I would say Tierney should stay put, and so should Burns and Vlasic.

Our best trade pieces are Dillon, Wingels, Nieto, and if the package is good Braun...etc
- IDtheJC

So defense and goaltending. On defense it seems the biggest need is for someone to play on the 2nd pair, log big mins, that can skate, and play in all situations...that true?

come on now.......ottawa had him in the playoffs, and he was a healthy scratch for all but one game.

michalek and neil have approximately ZERO value. neil based on the fact that he sucks, and michalek based on the fact that he has a pretty bad contract, and is an average 3rd line player at best.
- sensarmy_11

SJ has wanted Neil for a while... and I thought he played well. He had an impact when he played and defensively is never a reliability. For a team like SJ that's the right fit - although it may be too late....

I agree on the value except for the fact that Michalek certainly is a useful player. Funny, if he's make 3m he's certainly looking like a good option to have. Without his knee being like that (lack of that burst he once had) we're not talking about trading him at all

Neil and Michalek's trade value are lower that's a given but Michalek was almost a point per game player in the last 30 games and was key in the top 6 with Turris + Mac

Neil is the guy you want the playoffs and has been linked to SJ. Don't know how much longer has has been he's not hannan lol. Those two would be cheap buys with good return. But ya I'm not saying trade them in a package for couture
- AlfieisKing

Don't want the Michalek contract....he might've been top 6 on your team but he's a 2nd/3rd line winger that we just don't need. Just like i could say Karlsson's a top 6 winger just b/c he played with the Joe's but in reality he's a bottom 6 guy right now.

Also Neil's just too old not happining.

So defense and goaltending. On defense it seems the biggest need is for someone to play on the 2nd pair, log big mins, that can skate, and play in all situations...that true?
- AlfieisKing

please don't offer them cowen..................

SJ has wanted Neil for a while... and I thought he played well. He had an impact when he played and defensively is never a reliability. For a team like SJ that's the right fit - although it may be too late....

I agree on the value except for the fact that Michalek certainly is a useful player. Funny, if he's make 3m he's certainly looking like a good option to have. Without his knee being like that (lack of that burst he once had) we're not talking about trading him at all
- AlfieisKing

the sharks wanted neil like 3-4 years ago, when he was a useful player, not a giant liability.

and if you honestly think he's not terrible defensively, then you must in the kitchen getting a beer, or taking a piss or something, on every second shift, where he spends the entire shift pinned in his own zone, treating the puck like a hand grenade and giving it away every time it touches his stick.

he's not even a good fighter anymore.....which means that he brings NOTHING to a team.

Left handed in the top 4 and righty ... anywhere?
- AlfieisKing

Vlasic/Burns,

Mirco or ???/Braun,

Dillion or Mirco or ???/Demelo or ???

please don't offer them cowen..................
- sensarmy_11

This^^^

Please don't offer us Cowen

The only thing the Sharks would be interested with the Sens is goaltending.

the sharks wanted neil like 3-4 years ago, when he was a useful player, not a giant liability.

and if you honestly think he's not terrible defensively, then you must in the kitchen getting a beer, or taking a piss or something, on every second shift, where he spends the entire shift pinned in his own zone, treating the puck like a hand grenade and giving it away every time it touches his stick.

he's not even a good fighter anymore.....which means that he brings NOTHING to a team.
- sensarmy_11

how is he defensively a liability??

Bcuz he can't skate as well? He's old. what do you want. Watching him play you see how players respect him. His presence is useful for a team that needs character. Also he can still chip in offence. bro, when has he treated the puck like a hand grenade, c'mon.

This^^^

Please don't offer us Cowen

The only thing the Sharks would be interested with the Sens is goaltending.
- SJSharks39

I'll stand by my opinion that getting Cowen would be a low buy high risk... but hearing the news recently, I wouldn't give him a lot. I'd still take a package of him, Lehner, and a forward like Zibanejad (very unlikely) or Hoffman

but doesn't sound like a fit. whats the deal with braun?

SJ has wanted Neil for a while... and I thought he played well. He had an impact when he played and defensively is never a reliability. For a team like SJ that's the right fit - although it may be too late....

I agree on the value except for the fact that Michalek certainly is a useful player. Funny, if he's make 3m he's certainly looking like a good option to have. Without his knee being like that (lack of that burst he once had) we're not talking about trading him at all
- AlfieisKing

We don't want Neil anymore so just stop ain't happining & we don't need Michalek.

We don't want Neil anymore so just stop ain't happining & we don't need Michalek.
- SJSharks39

Michalek + Hoffman (aka patrick kane lol)

I'll stand by my opinion that getting Cowen would be a low buy high risk... but hearing the news recently, I wouldn't give him a lot. I'd still take a package of him, Lehner, and a forward like Zibanejad (very unlikely) or Hoffman

but doesn't sound like a fit. whats the deal with braun?
- AlfieisKing

That's great, but that type of package wouldn't intrest the Sharks. We'd only be interested in a goalie from you guys.

I'll stand by my opinion that getting Cowen would be a low buy high risk... but hearing the news recently, I wouldn't give him a lot. I'd still take a package of him, Lehner, and a forward like Zibanejad (very unlikely) or Hoffman

but doesn't sound like a fit. whats the deal with braun?
- AlfieisKing

Braun's solid one of our 3 top defensman. Only way he'd go anywhere if someone better was coming in to replace him.

So to summarize I think we need a top 6 right winger, and an offensive or 2 way defenseman (Left or Right). That way depending what we get we can begin shopping someone else. If we get a top 4 right handed defenseman we can package Braun due to his value. If we get a lefty we can decide if we want to keep Dillon or Mueller and shop the other. Then, we draft a defenseman with our first round pick this year and we get Bergman ready in 2 years.
- IDtheJC

I see. That was a long breakdown. Thanks though, didn't know much beyond guys like Nieto and Hertl.

Unless the sharks were willing to give one of these players (hertl, thornton, marleau, pavelski, couture, vlasic, burns) it would have to be a smaller deal. Wonder if a guy like Chris Tierney would be coming the other way.

If I'm ANY team, I'm seriously looking into Cowen, Lehner because their ceilings are very high and their still young. They've shown glimpses of greatness and then injuries and lack of making the most of opportunities hold em back.

Hoffman is a guy some Sens fans view as untouchable; I think he hasn't the high chance of regressing. Even though he has really impressive hands and amazing release.

Getting back to Michalek, last 30 games 15 goals, 25 points playing with Turris and Stone. I've said it before gents, put him with a playmaking center and he is a very serviceable 2nd line LW. Otherwise, go try and pay a lot for someone

Our top 6 RW is Pavs...........also Fedun's a UFA & you can't be certain he'll be resigned.
your 2nd line needs a right handed shot.....no good with 3 leftys, Marleau can't play RW only centre/LW same with Hertl.
- SJSharks39

Then Marleau would have to drop to the third line and put Karlsson on the 2nd. I would rather have Hertl in their natural position and force Marleau to adjust. He's was a center for a long time...most of them are capable of either wing.

Also, I put in my previous post I want the Sharks to resign Fedun. So that's why he's in my lineup, and I recognized the need for a right handed shot. Which is why I said we need a top 6 RW. Wingers are fully capable of playing the off wing if they're centermen. It's the career wingers that have difficulty adjusting. A center plays on both ends of the ice anyways.

I see. That was a long breakdown. Thanks though, didn't know much beyond guys like Nieto and Hertl.

Unless the sharks were willing to give one of these players (hertl, thornton, marleau, pavelski, couture, vlasic, burns) it would have to be a smaller deal. Wonder if a guy like Chris Tierney would be coming the other way.

If I'm ANY team, I'm seriously looking into Cowen, Lehner because their ceilings are very high and their still young. They've shown glimpses of greatness and then injuries and lack of making the most of opportunities hold em back.

Hoffman is a guy some Sens fans view as untouchable; I think he hasn't the high chance of regressing. Even though he has really impressive hands and amazing release.

Getting back to Michalek, last 30 games 15 goals, 25 points playing with Turris and Stone. I've said it before gents, put him with a playmaking center and he is a very serviceable 2nd line LW. Otherwise, go try and pay a lot for someone
- AlfieisKing

A lot of people on here say the same thing about Goldobin for the Sharks. Goldobin will immediately have the best handles of any player on the Sharks when he makes the roster.