Just asking, how so? just bc of Dubinsky?? he's an overpaid 3 C, now making what, I think $6m.
- Ur Not Me

152 games in columbus, 106 pts....how is that a 3rd line center?

ARe you saying Nash produces more? This isn't opinion.
- burn

When you manage a team only by looking at numbers, you get exactly that. Total crap.

Yes, because in evaluating a player, the only thing that matters is the production. Leadership, work ethic, size, contract.... you can throw all this out the window.

When you manage a team only by looking at numbers, you get exactly that. Total crap.

Yes, because in evaluating a player, the only thing that matters is the production. Leadership, work ethic, size, contract.... you can throw all this out the window.
- fidopro

you are right. who cares that Nash has been a ghost his entire career in the playoffs, he is a leader!

3C? Really?
- Dangles13

Oh yea, he's not a 1C or 2C. Sorry he fits the mold of a 3C better.....

Dubinsky and Anisimov are both good players. I don't recall who they picked with the 1st they got. Erixon was still a good prospect at the time of the deal, he just can't seem to put it together. I think it was a very good deal for a team like Columbus, who may have an issue atrracting free agents, to get effective players they can control.
- BetterCallSaul

I think it was John Moore

When you manage a team only by looking at numbers, you get exactly that. Total crap.

Yes, because in evaluating a player, the only thing that matters is the production. Leadership, work ethic, size, contract.... you can throw all this out the window.
- fidopro

Of those three qualities you listed the only one Nash consistently shows is size.


Math.

Oh yea, he's not a 1C or 2C. Sorry he fits the mold of a 3C better.....
- Ur Not Me

Gritty 2 way forward who puts up 50-55 pts better as a number 3C?
on a championship calibre team yes,

152 games in columbus, 106 pts....how is that a 3rd line center?
- GardinerExpress

Bc I think so, just bc a team plays him as a 2C bc they have no one else besides RJ, what/who do expect to get mins & points.... Lets not spin this and think he's all of sudden a great 2C.

Hard to get fair value when salaries equate to the cap. If a team has cap room will not give as much bc of absorbing so much salary instead and vice versa....
I believe if Kessel's cap hit was $6m per, TOR would get a ransom but until the cap rises, most teams are strapped, if u get my point?
- Ur Not Me

I doubt a mil makes the difference between a ransom and scraps.

Cap didn't seem to hinder return on Nash.

Bc I think so, just bc a team plays him as a 2C bc they have no one else besides RJ, what/who do expect to get mins & points.... Lets not spin this and think he's all of sudden a great 2C.
- Ur Not Me

whats with the butthurt?
guy has clearly shown he can put up above average of what is expected as a #2C. He can play the pp and kill penalties. Why should he be lumped in with #3 centers that get 30 points?

When you manage a team only by looking at numbers, you get exactly that. Total crap.

Yes, because in evaluating a player, the only thing that matters is the production. Leadership, work ethic, size, contract.... you can throw all this out the window.
- fidopro

And you think those things work in Nash favour?

When you manage a team only by looking at numbers, you get exactly that. Total crap.

Yes, because in evaluating a player, the only thing that matters is the production. Leadership, work ethic, size, contract.... you can throw all this out the window.
- fidopro

Being a mediocre playoff performer matters as well.

Oh yea, he's not a 1C or 2C. Sorry he fits the mold of a 3C better.....
- Ur Not Me

He's easily a 2C.

Bc I think so, just bc a team plays him as a 2C bc they have no one else besides RJ, what/who do expect to get mins & points.... Lets not spin this and think he's all of sudden a great 2C.
- Ur Not Me

He's a 2/3C guy. Definitely a player every team should want, but he's not going to carry a team on his own. Ticket might be a little heavy, somewhere just under 6 mil I think, but you can look beyond that sometimes.

And you think those things work in Nash favour?
- burn

I sure do. And I'm pretty sure 90% of hockey fans across the league outside of TOR think the same thing.

Of those three qualities you listed the only one Nash consistently shows is size.


Math.
- BetterCallSaul

And even then, he doesn't use it to physically dominate games like others.

I sure do. And I'm pretty sure 90% of hockey fans across the league outside of TOR think the same thing.
- fidopro

Yeah because of the Toronto media.

They both make virtually the same contract.

This idea of Nash being this two-way beast is nonsense.

I sure do. And I'm pretty sure 90% of hockey fans across the league outside of TOR think the same thing.
- fidopro

What makes him a leader? How's his production compare to others? He show up in the playoffs? He's big, but is he physically dominating?


Didn't the media rip Nash for his lack of play this year? But yeah everyone outside of to agrees with you.

He's a 2/3C guy. Definitely a player every team should want, but he's not going to carry a team on his own. Ticket might be a little heavy, somewhere just under 6 mil I think, but you can look beyond that sometimes.
- BetterCallSaul

And even then, he doesn't use it to physically dominate games like others.
- burn

He doesn't hit, but he protects the puck really really well. Tough to defend againts one on one.

whats with the butthurt?
guy has clearly shown he can put up above average of what is expected as a #2C. He can play the pp and kill penalties. Why should he be lumped in with #3 centers that get 30 points?
- GardinerExpress

Yeah Dubinsky a good 2c i agree with everything you're saying, to say he's overated 2c is just foolish.

I doubt a mil makes the difference between a ransom and scraps.

Cap didn't seem to hinder return on Nash.
- burn

at the time Rags had cap space, traded Dubi & Arti who took up about maybe $5m of the cap, so it was an easy trade to make cap wise....

with today salaries, there are a few teams who can fit Kessel's contract, without destroying the teams future cap. $8m is a big number, MTL will have the same issue with Subban's $9m CHI too PK & JT $12m

why does he get more than nash brought back for columbus?
- Tumbleweed

Go compare where Kessel stood in the league for the FIVE YEARS leading up to this year vs, where Nash stood in the league for the 5 years before his trade.

It is not close and no, Nash is not a defensive stalwart, or a fearless leader or a huge physical presence.

Toronto had more playoff success with Kessel than Columbus did in a decade with Rick Nash. Think about that.

He doesn't hit, but he protects the puck really really well. Tough to defend againts one on one.
- fidopro

Yup. Saying he has size is pointless.... If size=not playing physical what good is it?