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Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

May 27 @ 7:56 PM ET
His NTC specifics aren't disclosed. However, usually it's up to 12 teams on his NTC list updated every July. I really can't see Scuderi having an extensive NTC list that only allows 8-12 teams, but perhaps he does.
- jfkst1



I know I read last year it was either 6 or 8 teams. Shero gave him everything he wanted next to a reacharound to sign him here for way too much money.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 27 @ 8:21 PM ET
I know I read last year it was either 6 or 8 teams. Shero gave him everything he wanted next to a reacharound to sign him here for way too much money.
- Guile


I'd say the only way to get Scuds to waive is to say, "you're 7 or 8". You don't have to be mean. Just honest. Tell him he has a better chance of getting TOI on another team. See what he says.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

May 27 @ 8:26 PM ET
I'd say the only way to get Scuds to waive is to say, "you're 7 or 8". You don't have to be mean. Just honest. Tell him he has a better chance of getting TOI on another team. See what he says.
- madmike71


His reply.. "I will be 1 or 2 in New Jersey"
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 27 @ 8:31 PM ET
His reply.. "I will be 1 or 2 in New Jersey"
- YouMeAndDupuis9


Perfect! If they bring in Disco it will be a family reunion. One big happy suckfest.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

May 27 @ 8:38 PM ET
I'd say the only way to get Scuds to waive is to say, "you're 7 or 8". You don't have to be mean. Just honest. Tell him he has a better chance of getting TOI on another team. See what he says.
- madmike71



That would be my way of approaching it... Tell him hes not gonna play, and the org and players might resent him for hurting the team cap wise.

He 100% won't retire here or sing our praises, but at the worst, some bad press, and older veterans won't want to stick around here
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

May 27 @ 8:49 PM ET
I know I read last year it was either 6 or 8 teams. Shero gave him everything he wanted next to a reacharound to sign him here for way too much money.
- Guile


God, that's awful if that is the case. I really hate Shero right now.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

May 27 @ 9:07 PM ET
I've not heard anything about another team topping Carolina's offer for Staal.
- Guile


NYR had Gaborik on the table for him, which is why Carolina had to pony up such a good offer. People rag all over JR for that deal, but had he not offered what he did Jordan would have been traded to the Rangers, and while at the time he was saying he wanted to go to Carolina, a year in NY playing with another of his brother could have very easily changed his mind.

out_of_market
Joined: 11.23.2014

May 27 @ 9:26 PM ET
Paul Martin is in many ways the emblem of Penguin futility and lack of identity. Paul is getting older but not old. He's a fluid skater but not fast. He can pass the puck but doesn't possess above average vision. For as much of the puck as he saw, his complete lack of a shot arsenal took away dynamism. He played important minutes for Pittsburgh - when he wasn't injured. If you hold against Kris Letang that he's seemingly always injured I think it's important to notice that Paul Martin has missed only something like 20 less games over his contract than Letang's endless run of misfortune.

I am ecstatic that his contract is up and I wouldn't take him back for $1M for the sheer removal of the temptation to continue to play Paul Mart over the Pens' younger defenders in important situations.

- Johnny Wrath



Thoroughly agree! #7 is 34.... money and term will be the reason he move's on. This team needs to avoid making deals with aging/ declining vets. Younger, faster, bigger should be the recipe going forward. #7 is nether.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

May 27 @ 9:39 PM ET
NYR had Gaborik on the table for him, which is why Carolina had to pony up such a good offer. People rag all over JR for that deal, but had he not offered what he did Jordan would have been traded to the Rangers, and while at the time he was saying he wanted to go to Carolina, a year in NY playing with another of his brother could have very easily changed his mind.
- stackthepads


Yeah, my understanding was that Jordan said he wanted to play with one of his brothers so he wouldn't have had much trade value as a rental elsewhere. Consequently, both Sather and Rutherford were interested in acquiring him. Not sure on Sather's level of interest or any trade offer specifics.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 27 @ 9:49 PM ET
NYR had Gaborik on the table for him, which is why Carolina had to pony up such a good offer. People rag all over JR for that deal, but had he not offered what he did Jordan would have been traded to the Rangers, and while at the time he was saying he wanted to go to Carolina, a year in NY playing with another of his brother could have very easily changed his mind.
- stackthepads


This is true. I often wonder if Staal regrets not staying in Pittsburgh. Missing the playoffs can't be fun. He can spend a few months with his brothers after the playoffs.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

May 27 @ 10:31 PM ET
This is true. I often wonder if Staal regrets not staying in Pittsburgh. Missing the playoffs can't be fun. He can spend a few months with his brothers after the playoffs.
- madmike71


Im sure he does now as the experiment hasnt worked out and when his contract is up Eric is gone. But at the time, they both had a cup and the idea of winning another one alongside your brother sounds pretty awesome.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

May 28 @ 12:14 AM ET
Im sure he does now as the experiment hasnt worked out and when his contract is up Eric is gone. But at the time, they both had a cup and the idea of winning another one alongside your brother sounds pretty awesome.
- stackthepads


Can't fault him. Just wish there was a way of remedying his mistake and bringing him back. I will always love Jordy.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

May 28 @ 1:03 AM ET
looking at some RFAs...has the ship sailed on Paajarvi?
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

May 28 @ 1:19 AM ET
looking at some RFAs...has the ship sailed on Paajarvi?
- YouMeAndDupuis9


yup
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

May 28 @ 7:32 AM ET
This is very true, but with Despres gone that's not the biggest deal in the world. Lets take a look

Prospects who need spots:

Pouliot: This season. Top 4 but requires a solid partner.
Dumoulin: This season. Bottom Pairing.
Harrington: One or two seasons away from being an NHL regular.

Without any additions our Depth looks like this:

Letang-Maatta
Pouliot-Lovejoy
Dumoulin-Cole
Scuderi
Harrington

Our next guys in are a pilon and a guy not ready for the NHL. You add a guy like Sekera and all of a sudden it looks like this. Next season:

Letang-Maatta
Sekera-Pouliot
Dumoulin-Cole
Lovejoy
Scuderi
Harrington

Long term:

Letang-Maatta
Skera-Pouliot
Dumoulin-Harrington
Cole

Everyone who needs spots still gets their spots both next season and long term, and we can feel a lot easier about giving Pouliot, Cole, or Dumoulin (really whoever steps up) top 4 minutes. Plus we're a lot deeper at D. The Pens having depth at D is a (frank)ing myth. We did this season with Martin and Hoff on the roster, but moving forward we didn't really have that much depth, and trading away Despres effectively killed that potential depth. We have no #3 d man, and adding Sekera at 5/5.5 mil would fix that. It'd be effectively retaining Martin in his prime. Say what you will, but its effective use of the cap space.

Rid ourselves of the Scuderi, Spaling, Sutter, and Kunitz, maybe even Lovejoy contracts, and we have enough cap to make a top 4 defensive signing, bring in a top 6 winger, and upgrade at 3C. We may have to make some decisions once Perron, Maatta, and whoever else are up for extensions, but it shouldn't be that bad. We have the cap flexibility to make it work, its just up to management to make the correct trades and signings and the coach to make the correct personnel choices.

- Victoro311


I do not understand the logic of 'ridding' ourselves the contracts of 3 current NHL forwards then signing a top winger which we need with the 3 contracts. Who will fill the role of the 3 players we're getting rid of? You need to specify for clarity who is replacing these guys?

You're not the only 1, but it's nonsense making that kind of comment without expanding the replacements - market is not good this year, & who will trade us what for those players?
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

May 28 @ 7:54 AM ET
Chicago is everything we should've been. Even if they lose game 7
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

May 28 @ 8:08 AM ET
Chicago is everything we should've been. Even if they lose game 7
- dbell646


5 Conference Finals appearances in 7 years. That's unbelievable consistency in the NHL playoffs where anything can happen. They win games and actually score goals when they get to the conference finals too. Both GMs Bowman and Shero were gifted with generational talents and #1 dmen. Bowman has done such a better job of personnel management it is almost insulting Shero is allowed to have the same position title.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

May 28 @ 8:21 AM ET
5 Conference Finals appearances in 7 years. That's unbelievable consistency in the NHL playoffs where anything can happen. They win games and actually score goals when they get to the conference finals too. Both GMs Bowman and Shero were gifted with generational talents and #1 dmen. Bowman has done such a better job of personnel management it is almost insulting Shero is allowed to have the same position title.
- jfkst1

Bowman identified the core and traded all the supporting casts for picks which developed into big pieces like saad. Rutherford is continuing down that path. If he can dump anyone for picks and prospects it'd be wise
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

May 28 @ 8:31 AM ET
I would trade Robderi's contract and poor performance for a forward whom has an equally bad contract and poor performance. Forwards are easier to bury in the line up and I don't think can have as negative affect on the ice.
- Johnny Wrath


Lecavalier? They need D & we need F. Salary to be matched but I see that as a trade bad for bad (contract that is).
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

May 28 @ 8:35 AM ET
Lecavalier? They need D & we need F. Salary to be matched but I see that as a trade bad for bad (contract that is).
- Aussiepenguin

Vinny could be useful. If they have the same length I'd consider that.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

May 28 @ 8:42 AM ET
Vinny could be useful. If they have the same length I'd consider that.
- dbell646


I'd probably trade Scuderi for LeCavalier straight up. Can't see Philly wanting another blackhole on their blue line, but maybe.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

May 28 @ 8:46 AM ET
I'd probably trade Scuderi for LeCavalier straight up. Can't see Philly wanting another blackhole on their blue line, but maybe.
- jfkst1

Just can't see philly and pens pulling off any trade. Clarke was just saying how pathetic it is for franchises to tank for generational talents and named sid and Geno ha ha little jab at us
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

May 28 @ 8:56 AM ET
Just can't see philly and pens pulling off any trade. Clarke was just saying how pathetic it is for franchises to tank for generational talents and named sid and Geno ha ha little jab at us
- dbell646


Well business is business usually - Pens Flyers hatred I think puts the blinkers on managements ability to do any business with either. Doubt Scuds goes the Philly either but Cav would be an asset for the Pens, where I think he's an anchor for them 'Flyers hobos scum donkey balls saliva'.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

May 28 @ 9:00 AM ET
Well business is business usually - Pens Flyers hatred I think puts the blinkers on managements ability to do any business with either. Doubt Scuds goes the Philly either but Cav would be an asset for the Pens, where I think he's an anchor for them 'Flyers hobos scum donkey balls saliva'.
- Aussiepenguin

Nailed it
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

May 28 @ 9:04 AM ET
Just can't see philly and pens pulling off any trade. Clarke was just saying how pathetic it is for franchises to tank for generational talents and named sid and Geno ha ha little jab at us
- dbell646


I'm not sure Hextall would care. He traded with CBJ last year. But I understand the point. I think it's impossible to unload LeCavalier without taking on an equally bad contract. He's a liability at that contract.
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