Crosby and Maatta are comparable so, ya, sounds reasonable.

Who are you the form bully trying to rally the school yard because you disagree with an amendment to a previous trade proposal? Grow up you f'n loser/troll.
- brienstel

Dude, I've been a regular on here for about 2 years now (have not been on recently, very busy). Sorry that we disagree with something and sorry that you need to get a new sarcasm detector. I didn't know disagreeing with something and posting a satirical response is a "trollish" offense. Can we kiss and cuddle and make up?

Have zero clue. He is one of the few competent defensemen we have with experience and talent.
- Oneonta Penguin

I think its safe to say that MAF will be earning his paycheck next year with a D roster of:

Maata-Letang
Cole-DP
Scuds-Dumo/Chorney

If 58 or 3 go down for an extended period, it will get ugly really quick.

Have zero clue. He is one of the few competent defensemen we have with experience and talent.
- Oneonta Penguin

Please stop being such a troll/loser. The best thing to do would be to ship Maata's ass off ASAP for a first rounder and do some sort of Rube Goldberg dance of trades. Talented, cheap, young defensemen are a dime a dozen.

Where's AussiePenguins been? I want to ask him about Australia's anti-dog laws.

I would love to see the reaction of this thread if the apologists were Blackhawks fans. Imagine winning the Cup and trading Brian Campbell. It'd be Armageddon. Or letting Byfuglien go. Or Versteeg. Ladd.

Imagine if the Penguins had developed a player like David Bolland and had decided to let them go. Same for Troy Brouwer. I am sure there would be moans over what a franchise ending decision allowing Tomas Kopecky to play for another NHL team would be.

Imagine the Penguin version of trading Nick Leddy. Read those names again and take a step back if you can and look at how pining over Simon Despres looks.

I think its safe to say that MAF will be earning his paycheck next year with a D roster of:

Maata-Letang
Cole-DP
Scuds-Dumo/Chorney

If 58 or 3 go down for an extended period, it will get ugly really quick.
- sammy87

Don't forget the rev

Where's AussiePenguins been? I want to ask him about Australia's anti-dog laws.
- jmatchett383

got to catch him late at night.

For the record, I'm not obsessed with it. I included him in a deal to make a previously proposed deal for Boedker more realistic. Thats all.
- brienstel

If we are trading Maatta... it had better be for someone better than Mikkel freaking Boedker.

we have probably one of the best young dmen in the game. you dont trade guys like that unless they give you a good reason to. Maatta should be a staple on this blue line for the years to come.

You fail.
- jmatchett383

I got lazy and posted the first trololol gif I could find. I have brought dishonor upon my entire family

Don't forget the rev
- dbell646

Oh well in that case......

Its so funny to me that pretty much everything hockey and Russian related just sucks. Pens need to be looking for goal production not corsi greatness like daniel freaking winnik. If theres someone they think can score 20 or more goals in a top six role its worth looking at.

I would love to see the reaction of this thread if the apologists were Blackhawks fans. Imagine winning the Cup and trading Brian Campbell. It'd be Armageddon. Or letting Byfuglien go. Or Versteeg. Ladd.

Imagine if the Penguins had developed a player like David Bolland and had decided to let them go. Same for Troy Brouwer. I am sure there would be moans over what a franchise ending decision allowing Tomas Kopecky to play for another NHL team would be.

Imagine the Penguin version of trading Nick Leddy. Read those names again and take a step back if you can and look at how pining over Simon Despres looks.
- Johnny Wrath

Stan Bowman took tons of heat for the Byfugline/Versteeg deals. The problem was that he didn't extend qualifying offers, which made several RFA's into UFA's. And all of those moves you pointed to were all cap-related moves. Also, Chicago had arguably the deepest blueline in the league. The Black Hawks wanted to keep them, but they were unable to, and they have one of the best developmental teams and scouting departments in the NHL. Not exactly apples to apples.

I got lazy and posted the first trololol gif I could find. I have brought dishonor upon my entire family
- Victoro311

Let's bake a cake and spray frosting all over each other.

Edit: In the future, you can use

or

If we are trading Maatta... it had better be for someone better than Mikkel freaking Boedker.

we have probably one of the best young dmen in the game. you dont trade guys like that unless they give you a good reason to. Maatta should be a staple on this blue line for the years to come.
- SuperHenderson13

Exactly. Maatta is 20 and a good top 4 dman. He'll probably be a top pairing dman by age 21. He has very few peers. Consequently, a return value on his trade better be something equivalent like a Filip Forsberg. No way is Boedker a reasonable return value. ARI would agree to that before Rutherford finished his sentence.

TIOPS with an article on the type of winger the pens are eyeing. "A big bodied winger who can dominate in the corners and in front of the net" ...and there is a picture of Brian Bickell....

Its TIOPS, so whatever, but if true, I can see the "big" move this offseason being a complete bust.

Stan Bowman took tons of heat for the Byfugline/Versteeg deals. The problem was that he didn't extend qualifying offers, which made several RFA's into UFA's. And all of those moves you pointed to were all cap-related moves. Also, Chicago had arguably the deepest blueline in the league. The Black Hawks wanted to keep them, but they were unable to, and they have one of the best developmental teams and scouting departments in the NHL. Not exactly apples to apples.
- jmatchett383

Stan Bowman replaced Dale Tallon, the guy who screwed up the qualifying offers and spent a lot of unnecessary dollars on RFAs. I didn't even get into changing goalies.

I'm speaking more to the tendency to outright declare a trade proposal involving certain players as nonstarters because of their perceived importance to the Penguins.

Exactly. Maatta is 20 and a good top 4 dman. He'll probably be a top pairing dman by age 21. He has very few peers. Consequently, a return value on his trade better be something equivalent like a Filip Forsberg. No way is Boedker a reasonable return value. ARI would agree to that before Rutherford finished his sentence.
- jfkst1

Agreed, to an extent. I don't think I'd say he's a top pairing defender within a year. He's definitely a second pair anchor (the good kind of anchor, not the Steve Downie kind). Adding a little bit more muscle would be nice, but the guy honestly looked like a young Nick Lidstrom in his rookie season. I'd say 2-3 years and he could be your top pair guy.

Stan Bowman replaced Dale Tallon, the guy who screwed up the qualifying offers and spent a lot of unnecessary dollars on RFAs. I didn't even get into changing goalies.

I'm speaking more to the tendency to outright declare a trade proposal involving certain players as nonstarters because of their perceived importance to the Penguins.
- Johnny Wrath

My bad, it was Tallon, not Bowman.

I get what you're saying. My point was that roster construction and long-term salary cap issues have to be taken into account. Those players you mentioned were very good complimentary players, but none of them were top-line/top-pair "core" players. Those players are akin to Perron and Ian Cole.

TIOPS with an article on the type of winger the pens are eyeing. "A big bodied winger who can dominate in the corners and in front of the net" ...and there is a picture of Brian Bickell....

Its TIOPS, so whatever, but if true, I can see the "big" move this offseason being a complete bust.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Another player Chicago let walk before he started to cost too much for what he brings.

My bad, it was Tallon, not Bowman.

I get what you're saying. My point was that roster construction and long-term salary cap issues have to be taken into account. Those players you mentioned were very good complimentary players, but none of them were top-line/top-pair "core" players. Those players are akin to Perron and Ian Cole.
- jmatchett383

Looking at the Hawks cup teams, they had some pretty solid guys young, they walked and were replaced. Here they are again for the 3rd time in 5 years with a really good team full of young talent.

Another player Chicago let walk before he started to cost too much for what he brings.
- Johnny Wrath

Yeah he has 2 years left too. They will want pieces the Pens dont have.

Looking at the Hawks cup teams, they had some pretty solid guys young, they walked and were replaced. Here they are again for the 3rd time in 5 years with a really good team full of young talent.
- sammy87

I think "young" is a relative term. Toews/Seabrook/Keith are leading the way, and Hossa/Sharp are playing big roles. They're going to have some very hard decision to make in the next 2 years. But they do seem to have a fantastic ability to find young talent in both the first round as well as later rounds.

TIOPS with an article on the type of winger the pens are eyeing. "A big bodied winger who can dominate in the corners and in front of the net" ...and there is a picture of Brian Bickell....

Its TIOPS, so whatever, but if true, I can see the "big" move this offseason being a complete bust.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Please dear God don't let us trade for Bryan Bickell. The last thing this team needs is to pay another bottom six player 4 million a year with the hopes that he can elevate his play in the playoffs.

I think "young" is a relative term. Toews/Seabrook/Keith are leading the way, and Hossa/Sharp are playing big roles. They're going to have some very hard decision to make in the next 2 years. But they do seem to have a fantastic ability to find young talent in both the first round as well as later rounds.
- jmatchett383

With both Toews and Kane over 10 mill per, the Hawks are going to have to rely more on drafting and developing to fill out the roster. They have done a good job over the last few years with Nick Leddy, Saad, and now Teravainnen.

This is what the Pens should be doing, but just don't seem to get it. Both organizations have two prized assets and one is way above the other right now.

I think "young" is a relative term. Toews/Seabrook/Keith are leading the way, and Hossa/Sharp are playing big roles. They're going to have some very hard decision to make in the next 2 years. But they do seem to have a fantastic ability to find young talent in both the first round as well as later rounds.
- jmatchett383

Well Toews and Kane are both younger than 87 and 71, they had Sharp and Hossa in their prime for the 1st cup. Now they are the old guys on the squad but still playing well. Pens old guys are Dupes, Kuni, and Scuds. They get nothing out of those 3. Some of the guys the Hawks had that they let walk or traded away the Pens would love to have on this roster, but they keep re stocking the shelves.

It will be interesting to see how they manage it next year.