I don't think Dupuis was saying unload MAF. I think we all recognize the organizational depth we have at G, and MAF's stock has gone right back up after the past two years. We're starved for high end tradable assets, so if we felt like Murray or Jarry were ready to come up and hold down the fort, trading MAF would be something worth exploring.

I saw a trade proposal on Pens Labyrinth that was pondering if Sutter, Bennett, and Murray could net us Boedker and Arizona's later 1st. I'll be happy if that lands us Boedker on his own, honestly. But if that were to work, that'd be an absolute coup. Then we could unload Kunitz's contract to Winnipeg or someone who may need winger help for more picks, and we're in the game again.
- Victoro311

You have to help me with this fascination with Boedker. He looks like a top 10 draft pick bust to me. Capable top 9 forward but nothing special. Really average underlying numbers- just like a lot of ARI forwards. Is there some expectation that he will realize his potential that makes everyone want him so much?

Who was that Alfie guy on your board last night. He was like a non-adorable version of Palmer.
- Victoro311

Allies there all the time....has the wild ideas of a 3-way trade that lands Ottawa James Neal, Pens 16th, Oilers with Lehner and Jones, and Nashville with Chris Neal, and Jordan Eberle......Ottawa does okay in that deal eh?

For sure.....but some teams have to work harder to get fans. Canadian and Original 6 teams take it for granted. We just show up, 1st or 30th.....Arizona has never managed to sell the game there....especially after they moved into an arena that's an hour out the populated area.

Not sure what Floridas excuse is......but Tampa has good fans. Not hard to wonder why.
- Jeropotato

It's because no one in Miami cares about any sports outside of college football. They were selling season tix starting at $7 per and no one cared. Whether or not, the ice a competitive team, they'll never develop a fan base. Tampa Bay also has a good amount of fair-weather fans. In the down years, no one showed up.

I think Buffalo wants a guy with a little more than 10 NHL games with no points and a -10 to show for it.

Not saying they'd say no or that Harrington's bad, just that I think Buffalo would like a little more of a proven product for him.
- jmatchett383

Not that Grigs has shown much of anything so far either. I get your point but that's about all we can give them. nhl ready with top 4 upside, plus a prospect.

certainly not giving up Pouliot's level or above. Again, Grigs, like many of these youngish wingers we talk about, probably falls in the Despres wheelhouse of trade value

One cock is staying...

Hitchcock and STL one year deal.

You have to help me with this fascination with Boedker. He looks like a top 10 draft pick bust to me. Capable top 9 forward but nothing special. Really average underlying numbers- just like a lot of ARI forwards. Is there some expectation that he will realize his potential that makes everyone want him so much?
- jfkst1

When you're playing with an AHL forwards group and Keith Yandle, the wonderful turnover machine, your numbers are never going to be all that great. Put him in a position to succeed, he could be a 25 goal guy. He's never going to be a cornerstone, but is a good, fairly cheap top-6 player.

You have to help me with this fascination with Boedker. He looks like a top 10 draft pick bust to me. Capable top 9 forward but nothing special. Really average underlying numbers- just like a lot of ARI forwards. Is there some expectation that he will realize his potential that makes everyone want him so much?
- jfkst1

Maybe putting a bit of thought into his numbers...

19 goals and 32 assists last year... on a terrible Arizona team. This isn't like Edmonton, where they lose all the time but have talent and can score.

14 goals 14 assists in half a season this year, on, again, a terrible Arizona team. On pace for over 25 goals.

If you can put up those numbers with very very minimal help, you can do better with Sid/Geno.

His coming off a season ending injury "upper body" however, it was just a spleen removal. That shouldn't be a future cause for concern, but any season ending injury hurts your value.

Seeing as Arizona is starved for Centers, if you can package a deal to get him and their later 1st for Sutter+ whatever, you do it.

Not that Grigs has shown much of anything so far either. I get your point but that's about all we can give them. nhl ready with top 4 upside, plus a prospect.

certainly not giving up Pouliot's level or above. Again, Grigs, like many of these youngish wingers we talk about, probably falls in the Despres wheelhouse of trade value
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I agree with you completely, which is why I don't think there's a good fit. I think a team like Toronto or San Jose, a team that needs to basically tear it all apart, could be a better trade partner.

Maybe putting a bit of thought into his numbers...

19 goals and 32 assists last year... on a terrible Arizona team. This isn't like Edmonton, where they lose all the time but have talent and can score.

14 goals 14 assists in half a season this year, on, again, a terrible Arizona team. On pace for over 25 goals.

If you can put up those numbers with very very minimal help, you can do better with Sid/Geno.

His coming off an injury has hurt his value, season ending injury "upper body" and I also seen a spleen removal. That shouldn't be a future cause for concern, but any season ending injury hurts your value.

Seeing as Arizona is starved for Centers, if you can package a deal to get him and their later 1st for Sutter+ whatever, you do it.
- Guile

If you want him, AND a 1st, that "whatever" is going to be pretty significant. I'm talking Pouliot/Kapanen significant, not Bennett/Jarry significant.

If you want him, AND a 1st, that "whatever" is going to be pretty significant. I'm talking Pouliot/Kapanen significant, not Bennett/Jarry significant.
- jmatchett383

I can easily live without the first, but Arizona is one of the teams to have an extra first that they might give up...

Sutter, Bennett, Jarry and a late pick for Boedkar and their later first seems not ridiculous.

I can easily live without the first, but Arizona is one of the teams to have an extra first that they might give up...

Sutter, Bennett, Jarry and a late pick for Boedkar and their later first seems not ridiculous.
- Guile

So, a guy who you want gone, a guy who is/isn't a viable top-6 winger, a B-grade goalie prospect, and a late pick for a legit top-6 winger and a 1st round pick in an incredibly deep draft is "not ridiculous."

This isn't NHL 15 where you just put enough small pieces together to get good pieces. I'd think that those 3 players might get you Boedker alone.

So, a guy who you want gone, a guy who is/isn't a viable top-6 winger, a B-grade goalie prospect, and a late pick for a legit top-6 winger and a 1st round pick in an incredibly deep draft is "not ridiculous."

This isn't NHL 15 where you just put enough small pieces together to get good pieces. I'd think that those 3 players might get you Boedker alone.
- jmatchett383

A guy that they may value as a 2C... that is a 1st in itself, our fanbase hating him doesn't factor into GM decisions.

Goalie prospect and a project player and a later pick... for a top 6 winger off an injury.

Hmmm, might see where we need more for Boedker, but you are underselling Sutter's possible value. I don't see it, but for some reason others do.

So, a guy who you want gone, a guy who is/isn't a viable top-6 winger, a B-grade goalie prospect, and a late pick for a legit top-6 winger and a 1st round pick in an incredibly deep draft is "not ridiculous."

This isn't NHL 15 where you just put enough small pieces together to get good pieces. I'd think that those 3 players might get you Boedker alone.
- jmatchett383

Jarry is better than a B grade goalie prospect. Kids got the stuff.

When you're playing with an AHL forwards group and Keith Yandle, the wonderful turnover machine, your numbers are never going to be all that great. Put him in a position to succeed, he could be a 25 goal guy. He's never going to be a cornerstone, but is a good, fairly cheap top-6 player.
- jmatchett383

His production given his TOI isn't impressive. He reminds me a lot of Yandle and Vermette in that much of their production in ARI was heavily based on playing time. They're in positions to succeed with their new teams and neither really have. Yandle has been OK and Vermette has been a disaster. I could easily see Boedker following suit.

So, a guy who you want gone, a guy who is/isn't a viable top-6 winger, a B-grade goalie prospect, and a late pick for a legit top-6 winger and a 1st round pick in an incredibly deep draft is "not ridiculous."

This isn't NHL 15 where you just put enough small pieces together to get good pieces. I'd think that those 3 players might get you Boedker alone.
- jmatchett383

Boedker and 1st for Maatta and Sutter

A guy that they may value as a 2C... that is a 1st in itself, our fanbase hating him doesn't factor into GM decisions.

Goalie prospect and a project player and a later pick... for a top 6 winger off an injury.

Hmmm, might see where we need more for Boedker, but you are underselling Sutter's possible value. I don't see it, but for some reason others do.
- Guile

Not only is he coming off spleen surgery but Arizona also can't hope to retain him long term. Both those things down his value.

Boedker and 1st for Maatta and Sutter
- brienstel

Is that a sarcastic proposal? I hope so. We only have 2 top 4 d-men next year..we can't be trading them unless atleast 1 top 4 D is coming back.

Boedker and 1st for Maatta and Sutter
- brienstel

Or

Maatta and Sutter for JVR

As long as MTL doesn't want him back I'll be happy

Or

Maatta and Sutter for JVR
- brienstel

That I'd like to pounce on.

Is that a sarcastic proposal? I hope so. We only have 2 top 4 d-men next year..we can't be trading them unless atleast 1 top 4 D is coming back.
- Willaged

You don't have to keep the 1st.

A guy that they may value as a 2C... that is a 1st in itself, our fanbase hating him doesn't factor into GM decisions.

Goalie prospect and a project player and a later pick... for a top 6 winger off an injury.

Hmmm, might see where we need more for Boedker, but you are underselling Sutter's possible value. I don't see it, but for some reason others do.
- Guile

I really don't get the overvaluing of Boedker. Would he help the Pens... for sure. But lets not act like he is a star. He has never in his career had a 20 goal season and that is with playing top 6 ice time. I'm not sure I'd be happy with Sutter for Boedker straight up, Sutter would be the better player in the Pens top 6 (not to mention he is far more durable).

Now, if we are talking about a deal starting with Bennett for Boedker I am interested.

You don't have to keep the 1st.
- brienstel

Our "defensive depth" we always like to brag about is gone. We let Orpik and Nisk walk (I agree with the move, to long, too much $$), traded DesPres for a #5/6 D, are going to let Martin and Ehrhoff (once again I agree with, will want ot much money and term for their ages)... that leaves us with;

Letang
Mattaa
Pouliot
Lovejoy
Scuderi
Cole
Doumalin
Harrington

8 NHL Dmen, only 2 of which are truely top 4 dmen at this time, and the rest are 5-7 guys. Of course Pouliot has top 4 potential, and possibly Doumalin/Harrington. but they are not there yet. And we have nothing more in the pipe line due to the poor drafting and trading of picks. This is it. Our D depth is gone, its time for the young guns to sink or swim, and if they sink...we are in trouble. I know we have holes up front, but our D isn't a quite a strength any more either. My opinion, I'm not trading Letang or Mattaa unless a young, established top 3 dman is coming back. I see what your saying about the 1st...but top 3 D are harder to come by then you may think. A first is not getting the Pens a Josi or Brodin, which is what we would need moving one of those guys.

Boedker and 1st for Maatta and Sutter
- brienstel

That is too much going to Phoenix. You don't trade Maatta in that at all.

Our "defensive depth" we always like to brag about is gone. We let Orpik and Nisk walk (I agree with the move, to long, too much $$), traded DesPres for a #5/6 D, are going to let Martin and Ehrhoff (once again I agree with, will want ot much money and term for their ages)... that leaves us with;

Letang
Mattaa
Pouliot
Lovejoy
Scuderi
Cole
Doumalin
Harrington

8 NHL Dmen, only 2 of which are truely top 4 dmen at this time, and the rest are 5-7 guys. Of course Pouliot has top 4 potential, and possibly Doumalin/Harrington. but they are not there yet. And we have nothing more in the pipe line due to the poor drafting and trading of picks. This is it. Our D depth is gone, its time for the young guns to sink or swim, and if they sink...we are in trouble. I know we have holes up front, but our D isn't a quite a strength any more either. My opinion, I'm not trading Letang or Mattaa unless a young, established top 3 dman is coming back. I see what your saying about the 1st...but top 3 D are harder to come by then you may think. A first is not getting the Pens a Josi or Brodin, which is what we would need moving one of those guys.
- Willaged

To reply to my own post LOL- the only D I'm moving now is ONE of Harrington, Doumalin or Pouliot (for a bigger return than the former of course) because we don't have the depth to movem ore than one, and Cole/Lovejoy will not net us anything of any use, and Scuderi is untradable. As we all know, it was essential Despres had been moved for a young forward... and JR F'd it up.