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Irish 14
Location: South Buffalo
Joined: 01.25.2007

May 21 @ 9:58 PM ET
Ya their is a reason they made him wait a day to cool off and collect his thoughts. He seems to be super impulsive when it's a heated moment. Even said so him self when refering to his lottery comments.
- Carubba-Kaleta

Guy has been on the job for a year and a half, cleaning up Darcy's mess. At least give him 5 years (Darcy had 15).
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

May 21 @ 10:02 PM ET
Guy has been on the job for a year and a half, cleaning up Darcy's mess. At least give him 5 years (Darcy had 15).
- Irish 14

Good point. Darcy was a rookie GM when he was hired.
ImNoTroll
Location: RISTO is equal in value to = Druin + Johnson - MEBSabresFAN
Joined: 06.24.2014

May 21 @ 10:04 PM ET
Ya their is a reason they made him wait a day to cool off and collect his thoughts. He seems to be super impulsive when it's a heated moment. Even said so him self when refering to his lottery comments.
- Carubba-Kaleta

It's refreshing. Not listening to the standard MO bs lines that everyone else says.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 21 @ 10:06 PM ET
Guy has been on the job for a year and a half, cleaning up Darcy's mess. At least give him 5 years (Darcy had 15).
- Irish 14


What does that have to do whether he was upset at the way the Mike Babcock situation went down?
Carubba-Kaleta
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2013

May 21 @ 10:14 PM ET
Guy has been on the job for a year and a half, cleaning up Darcy's mess. At least give him 5 years (Darcy had 15).
- Irish 14

No don't get me wrong I really like the guy. He seems to be super hockey smart and I really trust his vision. I think he will be the one to lead us to the promise land!
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 21 @ 10:16 PM ET
The more I think about it, the more I'm on board with Dan Bylsma as head coach. Yes, his inability or refusal to make in-game adjustments, especially in the playoffs, is cause for concern, but the reality is the Sabres have to get to the place where that even becomes an issue first. He does have a resume that suggests he can at least do that. And he does have a championship on his resume.
Carubba-Kaleta
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2013

May 21 @ 10:20 PM ET
The more I think about it, the more I'm on board with Dan Bylsma as head coach. Yes, his inability or refusal to make in-game adjustments, especially in the playoffs, is cause for concern, but the reality is the Sabres have to get to the place where that even becomes an issue first. He does have a resume that suggests he can at least do that. And he does have a championship on his resume.
- buffalofan19

Thank you!

The guy deserves another shot, pretty sure he's smart enough to learn from mistakes.
ImNoTroll
Location: RISTO is equal in value to = Druin + Johnson - MEBSabresFAN
Joined: 06.24.2014

May 21 @ 10:21 PM ET
The more I think about it, the more I'm on board with Dan Bylsma as head coach. Yes, his inability or refusal to make in-game adjustments, especially in the playoffs, is cause for concern, but the reality is the Sabres have to get to the place where that even becomes an issue first. He does have a resume that suggests he can at least do that. And he does have a championship on his resume.
- buffalofan19

Only one coach has one a Stanley Cup with different teams, I prefer a coach who has never won one.
Carubba-Kaleta
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2013

May 21 @ 10:24 PM ET
Only one coach has one a Stanley Cup with different teams, I prefer a coach who has never won one.
- ImNoTroll

I just want the best coach at developing youth everything else can wait until we are ready to contend.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 21 @ 10:24 PM ET
Only one coach has one a Stanley Cup with different teams, I prefer a coach who has never won one.
- ImNoTroll



That trend will end sooner or later.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

May 21 @ 10:25 PM ET
The more I think about it, the more I'm on board with Dan Bylsma as head coach. Yes, his inability or refusal to make in-game adjustments, especially in the playoffs, is cause for concern, but the reality is the Sabres have to get to the place where that even becomes an issue first. He does have a resume that suggests he can at least do that. And he does have a championship on his resume.
- buffalofan19



I'm still 50/50. Solid resume but the analysis of his work with the young players seems to be mixed. Some say he'll hurt player development but you wonder if that only happened it pittsburgh because the pressure to win now was so high. Perhaps he approaches it differently with a rebuilding team.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

May 21 @ 10:27 PM ET
I just want the best coach at developing youth everything else can wait until we are ready to contend.
- Carubba-Kaleta

I trust him. We don't need a coach that HAS won A cup. We want one that WILL help us win cups. As been stated before, Only one coach has won it for more than one team. And he sucked when he was here. Lets not do that again.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

May 21 @ 10:28 PM ET
Only one coach has one a Stanley Cup with different teams, I prefer a coach who has never won one.
- ImNoTroll

I was typing and missed your post.


Agreed.
Buffalo--Sabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: 2 15/16, NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

May 21 @ 10:30 PM ET
I trust him. We don't need a coach that HAS won A cup. We want one that WILL help us win cups. As been stated before, Only one coach has won it for more than one team. And he sucked when he was here. Lets not do that again.
- cabin



This this this this this


Not one person beating the Bylsma drum was beating it until we lost out on Babcock.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 21 @ 10:31 PM ET
I'm still 50/50. Solid resume but the analysis of his work with the young players seems to be mixed. Some say he'll hurt player development but you wonder if that only happened it pittsburgh because the pressure to win now was so high. Perhaps he approaches it differently with a rebuilding team.
- Sabresfan-365


I have to think there are things he'll do differently a second time around. I look at it like this. The things that are cause for a red flag are only problems when this team is in serious contention, and they're still a long way from that. When this team becomes as good as we all hope it to be (i.e. great), it may be time to revisit things. However, until then, they need a name. If they go from a highly sought after guy from Babcock to a guy like Luke Richardson, who, let's face it, is the supposed lead candidate mainly because he's familiar with Murray, it will be a letdown. Bylsma at least has name recognition.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 21 @ 10:32 PM ET
This this this this this


Not one person beating the Bylsma drum was beating it until we lost out on Babcock.

- Buffalo--Sabres



To be fair, that's because it was pretty much Babcock or bust at that point. The way this episode went down absolutely does have a lot to do with Bylsma becoming a bigger candidate.
ImNoTroll
Location: RISTO is equal in value to = Druin + Johnson - MEBSabresFAN
Joined: 06.24.2014

May 21 @ 10:35 PM ET
That trend will end sooner or later.
- buffalofan19

It's decades and decades of data, it isn't a trend. I think it's very similar in football as well.
Buffalo--Sabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: 2 15/16, NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

May 21 @ 10:36 PM ET
To be fair, that's because it was pretty much Babcock or bust at that point. The way this episode went down absolutely does have a lot to do with Bylsma becoming a bigger candidate.
- buffalofan19




Not buying that. Its the Buffalo sports fan convincing themselves who ever is in front if them is the answer. Like when we didn't land Richards and got Leino and suddenly we have our #1 center and we're winning the cup. We do the same thing all the time with the Bills. Just because we can only get the 3rd or 4th best guy and we decide to overpay him doesn't make it a good idea.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 21 @ 10:37 PM ET
The more I think about it, the more I'm on board with Dan Bylsma as head coach. Yes, his inability or refusal to make in-game adjustments, especially in the playoffs, is cause for concern, but the reality is the Sabres have to get to the place where that even becomes an issue first. He does have a resume that suggests he can at least do that. And he does have a championship on his resume.
- buffalofan19

He has never "taken" a team to the playoffs. He's taken over a cup caliber team and maintained moderate success. He's an average coach IMO
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 21 @ 10:39 PM ET
He has never "taken" a team to the playoffs. He's taken over a cup caliber team and maintained moderate success. He's an average coach IMO
- sbroads24



I'm not saying he's great by any means. I just think he's more than capable. I'm simply not anywhere near as against the idea as I was 24 hours ago.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

May 21 @ 10:40 PM ET
I have to think there are things he'll do differently a second time around. I look at it like this. The things that are cause for a red flag are only problems when this team is in serious contention, and they're still a long way from that. When this team becomes as good as we all hope it to be (i.e. great), it may be time to revisit things. However, until then, they need a name. If they go from a highly sought after guy from Babcock to a guy like Luke Richardson, who, let's face it, is the supposed lead candidate mainly because he's familiar with Murray, it will be a letdown. Bylsma at least has name recognition.
- buffalofan19



This is my main concern. Lots of stubborn coaches out there, i'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but it's hard.

Otherwise i agree, general consensus seems to be that he'd make for a good set up guy, (which as you pointed out is what we really need) and he's a big enough name for people chew on.

I too would like a set up guy but I'm not convinced Bylsma (or any big name coach left for that matter) is the guy. The "young/inexperienced" guys that get the call from the AHL are usually good or great with player development but more importantly because it's their first crack at an nhl job, they can't afford to be stubborn. I think having that kind of coach for 2 or 3 years and then going out and getting a big name guy would be a better choice.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

May 21 @ 10:43 PM ET
If youguys didn't listen to Murray's interview this afternoon on wgr, do it. It explains so many of our petty debates and assumptions. Babcock wanted too much power? Pure bullpoop. Murray is going to try to trade for mcdavid? Bullpoop. Murray's going to go after some old fart like Patrick Sharp? Bullpoop.

Thanks again, Tim. Keep being pro.

- TheSabresTaco



I've been saying all along guys like Sharp weren't gonna be his target.
Too old
I'm glad too BC I totally agree
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 21 @ 10:44 PM ET
This is my main concern. Lots of stubborn coaches out there, i'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but it's hard.

Otherwise i agree, general consensus seems to be that he'd make for a good set up guy, (which as you pointed out is what we really need) and he's a big enough name for people chew on.

I too would like a set up guy but I'm not convinced Bylsma (or any big name coach left for that matter) is the guy. The "young/inexperienced" guys that get the call from the AHL are usually good or great with player development but more importantly because it's their first crack at an nhl job, they can't afford to be stubborn. I think having that kind of coach for 2 or 3 years and then going out and getting a big name guy would be a better choice.

- Sabresfan-365


Right, but even a guy like Luke Richardson isn't really one of those highly sought after AHL coaches. His resume in the AHL is good, but not great, and what really gives him the inside track is his familiarity with Murray. If a guy like Blashill, who's now essentially a lock for the Detroit job, or so it seems, were really available, I'd be more inclined to say, let's go somewhere else. The reality is, that type of coach really isn't available.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 21 @ 10:45 PM ET
Not buying that. Its the Buffalo sports fan convincing themselves who ever is in front if them is the answer. Like when we didn't land Richards and got Leino and suddenly we have our #1 center and we're winning the cup. We do the same thing all the time with the Bills. Just because we can only get the 3rd or 4th best guy and we decide to overpay him doesn't make it a good idea.
- Buffalo--Sabres



I'm not saying he's "the answer", simply that he's the best available. Dan Bylsma has at least won a championship before. Ville Leino had never even played center in the NHL before, let alone #1 center. It's apples and oranges.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 21 @ 10:46 PM ET
I'm not saying he's great by any means. I just think he's more than capable. I'm simply not anywhere near as against the idea as I was 24 hours ago.
- buffalofan19

I guess I would be fine with him. Like I said, I don't consider myself a coach g guru by any means. He could be the greatest coach ever
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