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SolidGoldBricks
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Robidas Island, MI
Joined: 10.30.2013

May 20 @ 3:06 PM ET
congrats Leafs fans.
- SpoiledByOil


Thanks! It's a good day.
SpoiledByOil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 08.09.2012

May 20 @ 3:07 PM ET
Penguins have the best TV ratings for US teams over the last 5 years... We don't have the Population Density
- Guile



Guess that makes you Americas team
SpoiledByOil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 08.09.2012

May 20 @ 3:10 PM ET
Thanks! It's a good day.
- SolidGoldBricks



I'd be super pumped if I was a Leafs fan, still a lot of work to do, but he's a good start
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

May 20 @ 3:10 PM ET
Guess that makes you Americas team
- SpoiledByOil



Sure? I don't think anyone considers the Penguins America's team... but if we have to go by TV ratings, we'd get that then.
discojaws
New York Rangers
Location: I pick the Islanders to win the Division, President's Trophy and play in the Final -JamesTanner, NY
Joined: 04.18.2012

May 20 @ 3:11 PM ET
What... star struck by Stammer?

Yzerman won't fool around with any 14-mil contracts. And good on 'em.

- OzBolts

Do you even follow hockey? Stamko's at 26 is a perennial 45-50 goal scorer & he should sign a reasonable contract? Good thing you're probably the minority of Lightning fans that live with that logic. He'll be as good as gone if you think he's signing to a "reasonable" deal. Please...
SolidGoldBricks
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Robidas Island, MI
Joined: 10.30.2013

May 20 @ 3:13 PM ET
I'd be super pumped if I was a Leafs fan, still a lot of work to do, but he's a good start
- SpoiledByOil


Yeah, it's one of those things that there really isn't a downside to, in my opinion. Needed a coach, got a good one. Money doesn't hurt the cap, so I could care less what the contract is.

I know the Leafs draft isn't going to be as awesome as the Oil's, but it's still going to be a really good one for them. Lots to be excited about, genuinely, for the first time in a while for Leafs fans.

Congrats on your hire too, another top level guy!
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 20 @ 3:14 PM ET
Meh? The money doesn't touch our cap, its really just on the Org and Owners... term only is bad if he fails horridly.
- Guile


Yes it's not my money. If Burkle realizes in the future he may be paying him to sit around the house and annoy his wife, then yeah, I'm ok with it. Fact is, even HOF coaches get fired. That contract is a marriage.......and most marriages don't last that long.
Ur Not Me
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 11.30.2008

May 20 @ 3:15 PM ET
Yes it's not my money. If Burkle realizes in the future he may be paying him to sit around the house and annoy his wife, then yeah, I'm ok with that. Fact is, even HOF coaches get fired. That contract is a marriage.......and most marriages don't last that long.
- madmike71



U must be divorced....
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

May 20 @ 3:16 PM ET
Yes it's not my money. If Burkle realizes in the future he may be paying him to sit around the house and annoy his wife, then yeah, I'm ok with it. Fact is, even HOF coaches get fired. That contract is a marriage.......and most marriages don't last that long.
- madmike71



Its ok... just get him new assistant coaches/scouting/GMs every other year he can cheat on the Owners with
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 20 @ 3:17 PM ET
U must be divorced....
- Ur Not Me


Actually no. Happily married. At least half of my friends however learned a very expensive lesson.
stammerman
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 07.05.2013

May 20 @ 3:29 PM ET
*Polite reminder that Steven Stamkos is a UFA after next season*

Either he takes a reasonable deal with Tampa, or we'll let him walk... or trade him next season.

The kid has been "just okay" in the playoffs while the Yzerman-era prospects have been lighting it up. If, today, I had the choice to keep Hedman or Stammer, I'm keeping 77.

- OzBolts

Are you serious with this, of course the Lightning will and should do everything in their power to sign him. 8 year 10MM per year most likely. He is a perennial 40+ goal scorer not to mention a great locker room guy. He is the face of the franchise. If it wasn't for his talent the triplets line would have never been born because they would not have had the opportunity to stay together without Stamkos, they would have to break the line up to get more scoring depth but Stamkos allows them the depth to stay together because he is that good. Stamkos played all year long with a rotating cast of linemates to accomodate the triplets. Please give him his do, he has been more then OK in the playoffs your just looking at goals, he has been great in his 2 way play and still has 12 points. And to your second point you keep both Hedman and Stamkos. The triplets are awesome as well but you just dont give up a 40+ goal scorer. Can't believe I just had to write this.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 20 @ 3:33 PM ET
Are you serious with this, of course the Lightning will and should do everything in their power to sign him. 8 year 10MM per year most likely. He is a perennial 40+ goal scorer not to mention a great locker room guy. He is the face of the franchise. If it wasn't for his talent the triplets line would have never been born because they would not have had the opportunity to stay together without Stamkos, they would have to break the line up to get more scoring depth but Stamkos allows them the depth to stay together because he is that good. Stamkos played all year long with a rotating cast of linemates to accomodate the triplets. Please give him his do, he has been more then OK in the playoffs your just looking at goals, he has been great in his 2 way play and still has 12 points. And to your second point you keep both Hedman and Stamkos. The triplets are awesome as well but you just dont give up a 40+ goal scorer. Can't believe I just had to write this.
- stammerman


Malkin for Stamkos straight up?
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

May 20 @ 3:35 PM ET
Malkin for Stamkos straight up?
- sammy87



Did Malkin sleep with your sister and not call her or something? You are really stuck on getting rid of him.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 20 @ 3:42 PM ET
Did Malkin sleep with your sister and not call her or something? You are really stuck on getting rid of him.
- Guile


Dont have a sister. Ive listed the reasons why I think he should be moved in the past. Just tired of watching 2 great players with scrubs as their wingers.
Monitor1
Location: Orchard Park, NY
Joined: 03.27.2015

May 20 @ 3:45 PM ET
The real value is the instant respectability he brings into that dressing room.

The first time one player floats on a back check will be his last.

Get on the coaches page or get out
eganator
Boston Bruins
Location: UT
Joined: 04.02.2015

May 20 @ 3:45 PM ET
Well Stammer being meh in the playoffs coupled with Johnson, Palat, etc tearing it up is doing him no favors for his bargaining position.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

May 20 @ 3:47 PM ET
Dont have a sister. Ive listed the reasons why I think he should be moved in the past. Just tired of watching 2 great players with scrubs as their wingers.
- sammy87



So... to fix this, you want to bring in a different star center, who will cost even more than Malkin.

jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

May 20 @ 4:02 PM ET
Dont have a sister. Ive listed the reasons why I think he should be moved in the past. Just tired of watching 2 great players with scrubs as their wingers.
- sammy87


How exactly would Stamkos fix anything? He is gonna cost more money. I suppose Stamkos will probably not be so injury prone and is a few years younger, but if the stated problem is winger depth, Stamkos would just exacerbate that.
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

May 20 @ 4:36 PM ET
Are you serious with this, of course the Lightning will and should do everything in their power to sign him. 8 year 10MM per year most likely. He is a perennial 40+ goal scorer not to mention a great locker room guy. He is the face of the franchise... you just dont give up a 40+ goal scorer. Can't believe I just had to write this.
- stammerman

I would be very interested in what your opinions regarding trading Marty St. Louis are.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

May 20 @ 4:38 PM ET


Whats it like to speak for 35 million people?

You wonder why most fans of other teams can't stand them...Its for comments like the one you just posted.

- SENS 613

This is how i feel when everyone generalizes all Leafs fans. Apparently i have the exact same opinions as the Leafs fans at everyone's work place?
stammerman
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 07.05.2013

May 20 @ 4:38 PM ET
I would be very interested in what your opinions regarding trading Marty St. Louis are.
- Johnny Wrath

He wanted to leave and the Lightning accommodated him because he was a veteran who gained that right I guess. The Lightning did not want him to leave and had no choice. Not sure what this has to do about what I wrote about Stamkos.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

May 20 @ 4:44 PM ET
He wanted to leave and the Lightning accommodated him because he was a veteran who gained that right I guess. The Lightning did not want him to leave and had no choice. Not sure what this has to do about what I wrote about Stamkos.
- stammerman


I thought Yzerman got a good deal out of him. Callahan's contract might be somewhat painful down the road, but right now I'd say you guys won that trade.
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

May 20 @ 4:47 PM ET
How exactly would Stamkos fix anything? He is gonna cost more money. I suppose Stamkos will probably not be so injury prone and is a few years younger, but if the stated problem is winger depth, Stamkos would just exacerbate that.
- jfkst1

Let's suppose the Penguins decide that Malkin and Crosby aren't compatible. They can't run a power play nor play effectively at even strength. The very thought causes Penguins fans to visibly start. Let's suppose that the Penguins can acquire Stamkos somehow; either a trade or a UFA signing. Is Stamkos a better compliment to Crosby for roughly the same cap hit? Theoretically the best North American set-up guy and the most authoritative North American finisher together kind of thing. It's like imagining Malkin and Ovie on a line in the NHL.

If you want to imagine what a team could look like with a super elite playmaker and a super elite right-handed finisher, check out Anaheim. The problem with the Penguins is then a question of depth a center. Centers may be difficult to come by unless the Penguins are talking to the Oilers about their sudden collection of three #1 Cs.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 20 @ 4:47 PM ET
How exactly would Stamkos fix anything? He is gonna cost more money. I suppose Stamkos will probably not be so injury prone and is a few years younger, but if the stated problem is winger depth, Stamkos would just exacerbate that.
- jfkst1


Forgot Stamkos was a C.....Never mind!
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

May 20 @ 4:52 PM ET
Let's suppose the Penguins decide that Malkin and Crosby aren't compatible. They can't run a power play nor play effectively at even strength. The very thought causes Penguins fans to visibly start. Let's suppose that the Penguins can acquire Stamkos somehow; either a trade or a UFA signing. Is Stamkos a better compliment to Crosby for roughly the same cap hit? Theoretically the best North American set-up guy and the most authoritative North American finisher together kind of thing. It's like imagining Malkin and Ovie on a line in the NHL.

If you want to imagine what a team could look like with a super elite playmaker and a super elite right-handed finisher, check out Anaheim. The problem with the Penguins is then a question of depth a center. Centers may be difficult to come by unless the Penguins are talking to the Oilers about their sudden collection of three #1 Cs.

- Johnny Wrath


Stamkos is gonna end up getting $10m+/yr like Toews and Kane signed. Penguins are already stretched thin with the salary cap and this would make it worse.
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