Again, reports are that the money was the same. Which means he's taking less in Toronto after taxes. He had a talk with Hunter about the Leafs' future, and his role in the organization, and that's what tipped the balance.


I'd understand vilifying him if it was just about the money, but in this case it clearly isn't, or he would have gone back to Buffalo asking for even more.
- Feeling Glucky?

He still used them as leverage, that doesn't take away that point. And good for him, honestly, get what the market will give ya.

Again, reports are that the money was the same. Which means he's taking less in Toronto after taxes. He had a talk with Hunter about the Leafs' future, and his role in the organization, and that's what tipped the balance.


I'd understand vilifying him if it was just about the money, but in this case it clearly isn't, or he would have gone back to Buffalo asking for even more.
- Feeling Glucky?

I can't see making him the bad guy either. The world is not ending - he is a great coach, probably one of the best 2 or 3 in the league, but there are other very good coaches available too - Buffalo will get one of them. Congrats to the Leafs, they didn't do anything we wouldn't have done (in fact we tried).

Now, if he all but told TP that the deal was done, and that he would be arriving in Buffalo today or tomorrow to finalize, then all of a sudden decided that he would pursue a different offer, then I don't blame TP and company for being upset by that, but as we all know, nothing is done until the signature is on the dotted line...

He still used them as leverage, that doesn't take away that point. And good for him, honestly, get what the market will give ya.
- stashu

Once in a life time opportunity and he cashed in. nothing wrong with that. Hopefully sabres brass can keep a level head and move on.

He still used them as leverage, that doesn't take away that point. And good for him, honestly, get what the market will give ya.
- stashu

From the reports, it seems he genuinely was leaning towards Buffalo until Monday, when he talked to Hunter.

He's still with the Leafs. I believe Buffalo would have to pay draft pick compensation to get him.
- Feeling Glucky?

That's not typical. Generally teams let guys interview for positions that would be promotions over where they currently are. It happens all the time. Detroit threw that stipulation in for Babcock so that he could interview with teams earlier. They very well could have made him wait until July 1st when he wasn't under contract anymore.

I don't understand how Babcock is a villain here.
- buffalofan19

He didn't choose Buffalo. End of story.

Control, like I have been saying
- SABRES 89

any idea what he was looking for? i was cool with him deciding rochester call ups and stuff, but he doesnt get a say beyond that. im very happy with murray and nothing good ever came out of a committee.

That's not typical. Generally teams let guys interview for positions that would be promotions over where they currently are. It happens all the time. Detroit threw that stipulation in for Babcock so that he could interview with teams earlier. They very well could have made him wait until July 1st when he wasn't under contract anymore.
- HonkFortheGoose

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Dubas mentioned that Leafs want to develop coaches that opposing teams will want to hire and pay compensation (draft picks) for.

any idea what he was looking for? i was cool with him deciding rochester call ups and stuff, but he doesnt get a say beyond that. im very happy with murray and nothing good ever came out of a committee.
- rover16

Whatever he had with Ken Holland is my guess? Maybe more? Involvement throughout the process.

So does toronto make a serious push for mcdavid. If possible what would it even take to get him?

From the reports, it seems he genuinely was leaning towards Buffalo until Monday, when he found out murray wasn't willing to give up any kind of power.
- Feeling Glucky?

Fixed

So does toronto make a serious push for mcdavid. If possible what would it even take to get him?
- Carubba-Kaleta

lol. An unfathomable amount.

lol. An unfathomable amount.
- TheSabresTaco

I hope so because I don't want him in a leafs uni. Either way they would have nothing left to be a threat if they somehow pulled it off.

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- Sabresfan-365

which still doesn't make him a villain.

Why wouldn't a competitive coach want more power over the roster he's icing?

From the reports, it seems he genuinely was leaning towards Buffalo until Monday, when he talked to Hunter.
- Feeling Glucky?

There is nothing "genuine" about this!!!!!
He used us to get the best deal with Toronto.
And, I think that is DIRTY!!!

So does toronto make a serious push for mcdavid. If possible what would it even take to get him?
- Carubba-Kaleta

lindros trade + herschel walker trade + babe ruth trade

So does toronto make a serious push for mcdavid. If possible what would it even take to get him?
- Carubba-Kaleta

Edmonton isn't trading that pick, period.

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Dubas mentioned that Leafs want to develop coaches that opposing teams will want to hire and pay compensation (draft picks) for.
- Feeling Glucky?

Doesn't really matter, since Dineen is with the Hawks.

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=47742

So does toronto make a serious push for mcdavid. If possible what would it even take to get him?
- Carubba-Kaleta

LOL!!!!
Toronto can offer the Oilers their entire team, and still would not get McDavid!!!

There is nothing "genuine" about this!!!!!
He used us to get the best deal with Toronto.
And, I think that is DIRTY!!!
- Sabresfan88

If you're going to be upset with someone, be upset with your GM, who didn't give him the kind of offer he was looking for. Dollar figures and term are supposedly equal, or greater on the Buffalo end. And after taxes and living expenses he's taking less in TO.

Edmonton isn't trading that pick, period.
- Feeling Glucky?

Anything is possible, babcock did choose toronto

which still doesn't make him a villain.

Why wouldn't a competitive coach want more power over the roster he's icing?
- Feeling Glucky?

i agree but i think thats why people are upset

Doesn't really matter, since Dineen is with the Hawks.

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=47742
- HonkFortheGoose

I thought we were talking Gord Dineen

Explains why I don't remember him being an NHL coach.

LOL!!!!
Toronto can offer the Oilers their entire team, and still would not get McDavid!!!
- Sabresfan88

Jvr, kessel and four 1sts isn't something to just automatically dismiss.

I thought we were talking Gord Dineen

Explains why I don't remember him being an NHL coach.
- Feeling Glucky?

Nope. Def not. Did you miss the part where I said he coached for Florida? Read more. Post less.