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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: On Mike Babcock + a possible Johnson/Bird-type rivalry with McDavid/Eichel
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buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 17 @ 10:28 PM ET
Hard to say. Kassian has value today. Coho- not at his current contract. Remember vancouver did everything they could to hide his defensive flaws and highlight his offense- almost all of his shifts started in the offensive zone, and he played on the pp. I wouldnt say darcy got swindled- neither player is setting the league on fire- it was just trading a young power forward prospect (when we didnt have any that werent 4th line plugs) for a one dimensional scoring center that doesnt score that much and is a trainwreck in his own end.
- rover16



Neither player is spectacular, and the situations could reverse rather easily, even within the course of a calendar year, especially in today's league.
Pierceme69
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 02.13.2007

May 17 @ 10:28 PM ET
Better how ? in a wheel chair race ? that team is slow. Sounds like Babcock might be playing games.
- SABRES 89

Better as in they finished 55 points ahead of the Sabres better.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 17 @ 10:29 PM ET
That's a given
- Herzeleid


I love how you are saying it like its a fact after a 13 freaking point season in 78 games
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

May 17 @ 10:30 PM ET
Or just keeping all his options open. Like Tim Murray said after the lottery: it costs nothing to listen.
- buffalofan19

He's playing games and it shows disrespect to the Wings even if they gave him permission.
rover16
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 08.09.2012

May 17 @ 10:30 PM ET
I agree for the most part. I do think however he absolutely will score 20 goals again for some team either at center or wing.
- sbroads24


I agree he will too. i dont see him as being that different from moulson.
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
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May 17 @ 10:31 PM ET
Better as in they finished 55 points ahead of the Sabres better.
- Pierceme69

And once again, they lost. I'll take the Sabres future over the blues.
awildmudkip
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 17 @ 10:31 PM ET
Hard to say. Kassian has value today. Coho- not at his current contract. Remember vancouver did everything they could to hide his defensive flaws and highlight his offense- almost all of his shifts started in the offensive zone, and he played on the pp. I wouldnt say darcy got swindled- neither player is setting the league on fire- it was just trading a young power forward prospect (when we didnt have any that werent 4th line plugs) for a one dimensional scoring center that doesnt score that much and is a trainwreck in his own end.
- rover16


It is hard to say, but to claim Kassian has more value than CoHo is a bit of a stretch. Kassian already has a bad rap with the league for his recklessness along with his history of injuries. If I'm not mistaken, the league is steering away from the "tough guy/goon" type of players which Kassian is making that reputation. CoHo had a bad year, let's see how he rebounds with a serious team not playing to lose.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 17 @ 10:31 PM ET
He's playing games and it shows disrespect to the Wings even if they gave him permission.
- SABRES 89



The Wings gave him until May 25th to go talk to teams, and he's using that window. He's not disrespecting anybody. They gave him an opportunity, and he's taking it.
Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Victor Hedman and Kucherov can go f themselves. Twice.
Joined: 06.21.2013

May 17 @ 10:32 PM ET
I love how you are saying it like its a fact after a 13 freaking point season in 78 games
- Stripes77


Like I said - "Ted Nolan"
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 17 @ 10:33 PM ET
I love how you are saying it like its a fact after a 13 freaking point season in 78 games
- Stripes77

This season is an outlier. Not the norm

19 goals as a rookie
15 in 48 in the lockout
20 on the lowest scoring team in decades

....then this season
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
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May 17 @ 10:34 PM ET
Like I said - "Ted Nolan"
- Herzeleid


Because a coach can make a player drop 31 points from the previous year while playing in 6 more games and the player himself is not to blame?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 17 @ 10:34 PM ET
Like I said - "Ted Nolan"
- Herzeleid


I may be the most vocal non-supporter of the guy on here, but if even Johan Larsson can come here and look more competent, even under the circumstances last year, you have a problem.

The safe money is on Hodgson being bought out this year, especially if the 1/3 cap figure provision is true.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 17 @ 10:35 PM ET
This season is an outlier. Not the norm

19 goals as a rookie
15 in 48 in the lockout
20 on the lowest scoring team in decades

....then this season

- sbroads24


1 20 goal season his career and its a fact he is gonna do it again? Like I said earlier Jonathan Cheechoo scored 50 before
awildmudkip
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 17 @ 10:36 PM ET
He's playing games and it shows disrespect to the Wings even if they gave him permission.
- SABRES 89


You're telling me that is Company A was offering you a job, you would just take it right away knowing Companies B, C and D are also hiring with potentially better benefits?

That's not playing games. That's keeping your options open to see what works best for you. I don't blame Babcock one bit.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 17 @ 10:36 PM ET
I may be the most vocal non-supporter of the guy on here, but if even Johan Larsson can come here and look more competent, even under the circumstances last year, you have a problem.

The safe money is on Hodgson being bought out this year, especially if the 1/3 cap figure provision is true.

- buffalofan19


I am with you here. Nolan fan or not we all can agree (for the most part) Nolan is an awful coach, but when other players are getting it something is seriously wrong
Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Victor Hedman and Kucherov can go f themselves. Twice.
Joined: 06.21.2013

May 17 @ 10:37 PM ET
1 20 goal season his career and its a fact he is gonna do it again? Like I said earlier Jonathan Cheechoo scored 50 before
- Stripes77



You can basically call it 3, we went over this already.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 17 @ 10:37 PM ET
1 20 goal season his career and its a fact he is gonna do it again? Like I said earlier Jonathan Cheechoo scored 50 before
- Stripes77

He basically has scored at a 20 goal pace his whole career. Except for this year. He's going to score goals in this league
rover16
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 08.09.2012

May 17 @ 10:38 PM ET
I love how you are saying it like its a fact after a 13 freaking point season in 78 games
- Stripes77


I think murray buys him out. He doesnt fit what murray wants. And its the last chance to do it relatively cheap. But i will not be the least bit surprised if arizona signs him to a 2 year 2 million dollar contract and he puts up 20 goals and 45 points.
Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Victor Hedman and Kucherov can go f themselves. Twice.
Joined: 06.21.2013

May 17 @ 10:38 PM ET
Because a coach can make a player drop 31 points from the previous year while playing in 6 more games and the player himself is not to blame?
- Stripes77


There is a difference between top line top PP time, and 3rd/4th line with basically no PP time.
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
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May 17 @ 10:39 PM ET
You're telling me that is Company A was offering you a job, you would just take it right away knowing Companies B, C and D are also hiring with potentially better benefits?

That's not playing games. That's keeping your options open to see what works best for you. I don't blame Babcock one bit.

- awildmudkip

What options ? you think the Sharks, Blues, Wings and Leafs will outbid the Sabres ? I still think Babcock wants more control and it will be hard to see him get that in Buffalo as of now.
Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Victor Hedman and Kucherov can go f themselves. Twice.
Joined: 06.21.2013

May 17 @ 10:39 PM ET
I am with you here. Nolan fan or not we all can agree (for the most part) Nolan is an awful coach, but when other players are getting it something is seriously wrong
- Stripes77


There was nothing to "get", other than more time/PP time and better linemates.
Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Victor Hedman and Kucherov can go f themselves. Twice.
Joined: 06.21.2013

May 17 @ 10:40 PM ET
I may be the most vocal non-supporter of the guy on here, but if even Johan Larsson can come here and look more competent, even under the circumstances last year, you have a problem.

The safe money is on Hodgson being bought out this year, especially if the 1/3 cap figure provision is true.

- buffalofan19


Does Tyler Ennis ring a bell? Anyone? How about PP time???
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 17 @ 10:41 PM ET
There is a difference between top line top PP time, and 3rd/4th line with basically no PP time.
- Herzeleid


Just about everybody on this team got first line and PP opportunity, sometimes out of incompetence behind the bench, and sometimes out of necessity. Some did better with it than others, and Hodgson definitely fell in with the "others".
Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Victor Hedman and Kucherov can go f themselves. Twice.
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May 17 @ 10:41 PM ET
He basically has scored at a 20 goal pace his whole career. Except for this year. He's going to score goals in this league
- sbroads24


Too much to comprehend for some I guess.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 17 @ 10:42 PM ET
He basically has scored at a 20 goal pace his whole career. Except for this year. He's going to score goals in this league
- sbroads24


When you score 6 goals in a season you can't just throw it away. If he was at 15 goals I could agree with you. If he was at 12 I could maybe agree with you. Not when he scored 6
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