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CaptPantalones
Buffalo Sabres
Location: The Optimistic side, NY
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 17 @ 9:33 PM ET
Can I ask why?

Kane and Ennis are the only two wingers that have the speed to play with Eichel

- Stripes77


Because kane needs a pass first playmaker with him. While eichel is certainly that, reinhart is more suited to be the "dish master" and mesh with kane and his size/skill combo

My perfect world:

Moulson-eichel
Ennis-girgs
Kane-reinhart
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

May 17 @ 9:33 PM ET
and still finished with 41 points on a crappy team none the less

People can't use that excuse for one player and not take it into account for another player.

- Stripes77

They got a problem with Moulson because of his money and contract and that is all.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 17 @ 9:33 PM ET
With regards to Larsson/Hodgson: That was true for Nolan only.

Grigs is not terrible in his own zone.

Moulson sure as fvck isn't gonna be on the first line but if you wanted him on the 2nd line I'm sure ther would be female doging about Grigs being a 3rd line role.

- Herzeleid



I don't know what you aren't getting here.

You can't have a line with a rookie center a less than average winger in his own zone and a god awful winger defensively if you want to win in this league. Patrice Bergeron wouldn't be able to save that line let alone swapping Girgensons for Reinhart.
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

May 17 @ 9:34 PM ET
He was part of this very bad team. A big part of it. He does nothing on his own.
- sbroads24

The whole team was bad and did nothing on there own, are you done now.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 17 @ 9:34 PM ET
and still finished with 41 points on a crappy team none the less

People can't use that excuse for one player and not take it into account for another player.

- Stripes77

I do take it into account.

Moulson got to play with Ennis the entire season, and Girgensons until he got hurt. He sucked for a long stretch, and was ok at other times. I honestly think he might be the most uninteresting player on this team
awildmudkip
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 17 @ 9:34 PM ET
Peitrangelo
Shattenkirk
Tarasenko
Schwartz
Lehetra
Rattie
Jaskin
Barbashev

That's a pretty damn good young core

- sbroads24


Eichel, Reinhart, Ristoleinen, Zadorov, Girgensons, Larsson, Pysyk, Ullmark plus more future with Fashing, Hurley, Compher, Baptiste, McCabe.. More than comparable if you ask me. Shattenkirk and Peitrangelo are solid, Risto and Zadorov are younger and have more to show.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 17 @ 9:35 PM ET
Too bad Grigs isn't irresponsible.
- Herzeleid


He is not known for his defensive prowess. He is less than average in his own zone
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 17 @ 9:35 PM ET
The whole team was bad and did nothing on there own, are you done now.
- SABRES 89

You're love fest for him is weird. It's almost like mine for Myers
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 17 @ 9:37 PM ET
Because kane needs a pass first playmaker with him. While eichel is certainly that, reinhart is more suited to be the "dish master" and mesh with kane and his size/skill combo

My perfect world:

Moulson-eichel
Ennis-girgs
Kane-reinhart

- CaptPantalones



That's a good point, while I agree with it I disagree only because I would like to have a line where all 3 players can flat out fly.

Eichel has shown he can clearly pass the puck. Reinhart can as well but I think it would help Reinhart and Moulson playing together if you can get a winger with speed.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 17 @ 9:38 PM ET
Eichel, Reinhart, Ristoleinen, Zadorov, Girgensons, Larsson, Pysyk, Ullmark plus more future with Fashing, Hurley, Compher, Baptiste, McCabe.. More than comparable if you ask me. Shattenkirk and Peitrangelo are solid, Risto and Zadorov are younger and have more to show.
- awildmudkip

It's comparable yes, but less accomplished.

St. Louis could re-tool and be very dangerous again in 2 years
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.17.2007

May 17 @ 9:38 PM ET
You're love fest for him is weird. It's almost like mine for Myers
- sbroads24

He makes 3 mill a year and not 5, you would say nothing about him.You need to face it, Murray didn't want Myers but wanted Moulson.
awildmudkip
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 17 @ 9:38 PM ET
You're love fest for him is weird. It's almost like mine for Myers
- sbroads24


Remember how he got injured a few games after he got traded? And let in a few back door goals in the playoffs for them?

I'm not saying it felt good, but I think it was a good trade for Buffalo.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 17 @ 9:38 PM ET
I do take it into account.

Moulson got to play with Ennis the entire season, and Girgensons until he got hurt. He sucked for a long stretch, and was ok at other times. I honestly think he might be the most uninteresting player on this team

- sbroads24



Being uninteresting doesn't mean he is a 3rd liner especially next year. He is never going to be flashy. He is never going to do it alone but he is not going to hurt you playing a top 6 role as opposed to a guy like Hodgson IMO.
beargk
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.06.2014

May 17 @ 9:39 PM ET
Eichel, Reinhart, Ristoleinen, Zadorov, Girgensons, Larsson, Pysyk, Ullmark plus more future with Fashing, Hurley, Compher, Baptiste, McCabe.. More than comparable if you ask me. Shattenkirk and Peitrangelo are solid, Risto and Zadorov are younger and have more to show.
- awildmudkip


Throwing a lot of unknowns to compare against some of the all stars on the blues
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 17 @ 9:39 PM ET
Because kane needs a pass first playmaker with him. While eichel is certainly that, reinhart is more suited to be the "dish master" and mesh with kane and his size/skill combo

My perfect world:

Moulson-eichel
Ennis-girgs
Kane-reinhart

- CaptPantalones

Kane isn't a sniper. He creates on his own and is a good player down low, and around the net. Physically, him and Eichel could have dominating shifts cycling the puck
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 17 @ 9:40 PM ET
Remember how he got injured a few games after he got traded? And let in a few back door goals in the playoffs for them?

I'm not saying it felt good, but I think it was a good trade for Buffalo.

- awildmudkip

Who?
awildmudkip
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 17 @ 9:40 PM ET
It's comparable yes, but less accomplished.

St. Louis could re-tool and be very dangerous again in 2 years

- sbroads24


I agree. But the Sabres can retool NOW and be dangerous before that and beyond. We know what Steen, Oshie and Backes do in the playoffs, I want to see what our kids got along with Kane and other possible additions.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 17 @ 9:41 PM ET
He makes 3 mill a year and not 5, you would say nothing about him.You need to face it, Murray didn't want Myers but wanted Moulson.
- SABRES 89

Actually, Murray wanted a better left winger for his top line than Moulson, and he got one in Kane
awildmudkip
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 17 @ 9:41 PM ET
Who?
- sbroads24


6" 8 future Norris trophy something or other drafted by Darcy
Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Victor Hedman and Kucherov can go f themselves. Twice.
Joined: 06.21.2013

May 17 @ 9:42 PM ET
I don't know what you aren't getting here.

You can't have a line with a rookie center a less than average winger in his own zone and a god awful winger defensively if you want to win in this league. Patrice Bergeron wouldn't be able to save that line let alone swapping Girgensons for Reinhart.

- Stripes77


Hodgson, as a center with Pommers and and Vanek wan't as bad you are trying to make out this potential line to be.

Hodgson wouldn't even be the center, and Grigs would most likely be better than Vanek defensively.
awildmudkip
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 17 @ 9:43 PM ET
Who?
- sbroads24


That guy who can't clear the front of the net, has difficulty getting the puck out of his zone. He can skate pretty well, though. Injury history. Yeah, that guy.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.17.2007

May 17 @ 9:44 PM ET
Actually, Murray wanted a better left winger for his top line than Moulson, and he got one in Kane
- sbroads24

Really, that's why he gave Moulson 25 mill. He got Kane to make this team better, that's what you do when you are changing the face of a sorry franchise under a bad previous GM. you move out the players you don't want and bring in players you want to change the dynamics of this team.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 17 @ 9:45 PM ET
That guy who can't clear the front of the net, has difficulty getting the puck out of his zone. He can skate pretty well, though. Injury history. Yeah, that guy.
- awildmudkip

The guy that played at a 50 point pace once he got traded?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 17 @ 9:47 PM ET
Hodgson, as a center with Pommers and and Vanek wan't as bad you are trying to make out this potential line to be.

Hodgson wouldn't even be the center, and Grigs would most likely be better than Vanek defensively.

- Herzeleid



Jason Pomminville is a top 15 RW in this league please do not compare Hodgson and Girgorenko to him again. Pommer also is one of the most responsible wingers as well.
awildmudkip
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 17 @ 9:47 PM ET
Hodgson, as a center with Pommers and and Vanek wan't as bad you are trying to make out this potential line to be.

Hodgson wouldn't even be the center, and Grigs would most likely be better than Vanek defensively.

- Herzeleid


I would actually enjoy Hodgson to be on the wing with Girgensons and Larsson. That would be a pretty productive 3rd line. I kind of want to see Gionta play on the second line with Reinhart.

I know, I know, but hear me out. I think it would do Reinhart a lot of good to play with a leader in Gionta. Let's not forget this upcoming year is still pretty experimental, I think Reinhart would really be if it more playing with Gionta rather than Hodgson, Girgensons, Grigorenko, etc..
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