I'm hoping the leafs grab marner now. Strome has been quiet, and Marner was the best player on his team by a country mile. look at how they folded when he got hurt


Marner
185pts in 127 regular season (1.46)
25pts in 16 playoff (1.56)

Strome
168 pts in 128 regular season (1.31)
31 pts in 33 playoff (0.94)

many here were predicting fighting for the playoffs? false
most here thought we were gonna be terrible after only signing winnik and santorelli, and keeping the same team and coach that imploded last year.
- GardinerExpress

I would say the majority of us felt we would fight for a playoff spot. Most felt we would fall *just* short.

In October and November many people were talking about how our new and improved bottom 6, with Winnik and Santorelli, was going to prevent the annual collapse this time.

yeah, like i said they got him for a second
- the_eye

and scrivens (traded for a 3rd) and frattin, who had some value at the time.

saying they got him for a 2nd implies they only got him for a 2nd. this is untrue

I'm hoping the leafs grab marner now. Strome has been quiet, and Marner was the best player on his team by a country mile. look at how they folded when he got hurt


Marner
185pts in 127 regular season (1.46)
25pts in 16 playoff (1.56)

Strome
168 pts in 128 regular season (1.31)
31 pts in 33 playoff (0.94)
- GardinerExpress

now do that guy Ottawa picked first overall

I would say the majority of us felt we would fight for a playoff spot. Most felt we would fall *just* short.

In October and November many people were talking about how our new and improved bottom 6, with Winnik and Santorelli, was going to prevent the annual collapse this time.
- Aetherial

I remember a lot of people worried about how we were getting dominated in shots against under carlyle. opinions changed when we went 10-0-1 though

and scrivens (traded for a 3rd) and frattin, who had some value at the time.

saying they got him for a 2nd implies they only got him for a 2nd. this is untrue
- GardinerExpress

garbage and garbage, the only thing there of value was the second
so yeah, traded for a second

now do that guy Ottawa picked first overall
- the_eye

comparing marner to daigle?

who was the last scoring sensation to be a bust?

I remember a lot of people worried about how we were getting dominated in shots against under carlyle. opinions changed when we went 10-0-1 though
- GardinerExpress

I think the problem has been, and is, a character issue more than a talent issue.

The Leafs were actually quite a good team when they got on a bit of a roll and confidence was high.

The problem was that they had zero character and completely and utterly collapsed as soon as adversity hit.

garbage and garbage, the only thing there of value was the second
so yeah, traded for a second
- the_eye

that pick ended up being 63rd overall because edmonton was poopty..how is that garbage.

comparing marner to daigle?

who was the last scoring sensation to be a bust?
- GardinerExpress

just saying, junior points don't necessarily translate

that pick ended up being 63rd overall because edmonton was poopty..how is that garbage.
- GardinerExpress

a far sight worse than that 37 overall

the Leafs got him for a second, wtf are you talking about?
- the_eye

The leafs didn't get him for just a second.

Not that measuring his value now to what they paid for him when he was a 23 year old back up on one of the better teams in the league would be an intelligent comparison anyways...

a far sight worse than that 37 overall
- the_eye

so La ended up getting 37,63 and a piece of the gaborik deal but thats pretty much just a 2nd?

that pick ended up being 63rd overall because edmonton was poopty..how is that garbage.
- GardinerExpress

and it's regardless what LA turned it into, thats not what the Leafs gave up

I'd trade Bernier for Edmonton's 2nd rd pick, 33rd overall, if we can grab Mackenzie Blackwood.

Reimer/Gibson NHL
Bibeau/Sparks AHL
Blackwood in Juniors
- GardinerExpress

Thought you guys were gonna take Godla with one of your later round picks after his showing at the world juniors? Anyway, i don't know why a team that needs a goalie doesn't just pick a bunch of them in the later rounds? Seems to be some un written rule where teams can only pick one goalie per draft. Odds of finding a starting goalie in the late rounds is better than finding a forward or d-man that will actually play in the NHL.

that pick ended up being 63rd overall because edmonton was poopty..how is that garbage.
- GardinerExpress

and if it was me, i would have rather kept the second and flipped Scrivens for the third

so La ended up getting 37,63 and a piece of the gaborik deal but thats pretty much just a 2nd?
- GardinerExpress

again, how does it matter what LA ended up with?
the only thing of value the Leafs gave up was a second

and it's regardless what LA turned it into, thats not what the Leafs gave up
- the_eye

so if the leafs gave up a 2nd, pair of 3rd's, 4th,5th,6th etc just a 2nd?
so scrivens was irrelevant?

so if the leafs gave up a 2nd, pair of 3rd's, 4th,5th,6th etc just a 2nd?
so scrivens was irrelevant?
- GardinerExpress

he wasn't?
he wasn't tradeable until he played behind a stacked LA team that is very stingy defensively
you think the Leafs could have got a third for him?

Thought you guys were gonna take Godla with one of your later round picks after his showing at the world juniors? Anyway, i don't know why a team that needs a goalie doesn't just pick a bunch of them in the later rounds? Seems to be some un written rule where teams can only pick one goalie per draft. Odds of finding a starting goalie in the late rounds is better than finding a forward or d-man that will actually play in the NHL.
- maxbart5

then there is a huge problem in 2 years when they have to let most of em walk.

so if the leafs gave up a 2nd, pair of 3rd's, 4th,5th,6th etc just a 2nd?
so scrivens was irrelevant?
- GardinerExpress

i think the Leafs gave up poop and a second for poop

he wasn't?
he wasn't tradeable until he played behind a stacked LA team that is very stingy defensively
you think the Leafs could have got a third for him?
- the_eye

maybe. he had decent stats with us and was young and cheap.
obviously edmonton was desperate enough to offer up a 3rd.
Vancouver was willing to take him and a 3rd for Luongo

maybe. he had decent stats with us and was young and cheap.
obviously edmonton was desperate enough to offer up a 3rd.
Vancouver was willing to take him and a 3rd for Luongo
- GardinerExpress

yeah, thats not true.
or it would have been done

then there is a huge problem in 2 years when they have to let most of em walk.
- GardinerExpress

Oh yeah, guess you're right.

i think the Leafs gave up poop and a second for poop
- the_eye

I think it's pretty early to run bernier outta town. someone yesterday mentioned habs fans wanting price gone. I remember friends who couldnt believe they traded Halak.
from 2008 to 2013 prices sv% was .905,.912,.923,.916,.905

Bernier will not become price, but a .917SV% as a leaf isnt poop