Try and remember MacT isn't going to have McDavid, Mclellan, a more mature klefbom and possibly nurse to start the season as well as the extra draft picks that can be dealt like PC is being gifted at the start of his tenure. Your hatred of Mact has you pretty much comparing apples to broccoli. So in 2 years try and remember that if you are capable of any kind of objectivity and critical thinking
- leonkennedy

So you're saying it's unfair to compare the 2 because Chia will have Mclelland? Last I checked GM's hire the coaches. Mact's biggest blunder was firing kreuger and hiring Eakins. You're already admitting MacT messed up with coacking decisions and chia has already made a great move with his first coaching hire.

So you're saying it's unfair to compare the 2 because Chia will have Mclelland? Last I checked GM's hire the coaches. Mact's biggest blunder was firing kreuger and hiring Eakins. You're already admitting MacT messed up with coacking decisions and chia has already made a great move with his first coaching hire.
- Oildrum

Last I checked you cannot sign coaches who are signed by other teams so I don't see how MacT could have signed McLellan. He also never said it's unfair but only to take into account certain factors that have changed.

So you're saying it's unfair to compare the 2 because Chia will have Mclelland? Last I checked GM's hire the coaches. Mact's biggest blunder was firing kreuger and hiring Eakins. You're already admitting MacT messed up with coacking decisions and chia has already made a great move with his first coaching hire.
- Oildrum

No that isn't what I said at all. Clearly the objectivity and critical thinking aspects I suggested when you compare the two gms in 24 months, is not something you are capable of doing.
You saying Mact looked defeated is just your subjective view and the same as people saying mcdavid looked pissed when they announced the oil won the lottery. Of course he messed up with the Eakins hire, but your hindsight does not allow you to say Krueger would have done better.

Last I checked you cannot sign coaches who are signed by other teams so I don't see how MacT could have signed McLellan.
- Dangles13

He really can't see that if PC is not hired, Mact T has a great shot at Mclellan after the lottery win which drastically changes the dynamic of the team going forward.

No that isn't what I said at all. Clearly the objectivity and critical thinking aspects I suggested when you compare the two gms in 24 months, is not something you are capable of doing.
You saying Mact looked defeated is just your subjective view and the same as people saying mcdavid looked pissed when they announced the oil won the lottery. Of course he messed up with the Eakins hire, but your hindsight does not allow you to say Krueger would have done better.
- leonkennedy

You're just an Eakins lover.

You're just an Eakins lover.
- Dangles13

Mrs Eakins? Yes. Yes I am.

No that isn't what I said at all. Clearly the objectivity and critical thinking aspects I suggested when you compare the two gms in 24 months, is not something you are capable of doing.
You saying Mact looked defeated is just your subjective view and the same as people saying mcdavid looked pissed when they announced the oil won the lottery. Of course he messed up with the Eakins hire, but your hindsight does not allow you to say Krueger would have done better.
- leonkennedy

What I say about how MacT looked at the end is irrelevant, you're right. The job he did over the last 2 years speaks for itself. He admitted himself near the end that he may have lost some respectability around the league with other GM's. I don't remember the exact wording but something to that effect.

Last I checked you cannot sign coaches who are signed by other teams so I don't see how MacT could have signed McLellan. He also never said it's unfair but only to take into account certain factors that have changed.
- Dangles13

It would be a cold day in hell before you'd say anything bad about Mact. Say it with me now "Firing Kreuger was a mistake. Hiring Eakins was a mistake. Waiting too long to fire Eakins was a mistake."

There, doesn't that feel better now.

It would be a cold day in hell before you'd say anything bad about Mact. Say it with me now "Firing Kreuger was a mistake. Hiring Eakins was a mistake. Waiting too long to fire Eakins was a mistake."

There, doesn't that feel better now.
- Oildrum

It is possible to both applaud the positives and chastise the negatives of an individual, just because you cannot see more than one dimension doesn't mean you can extrapolate that frame of mind to me.

Firing Krueger was a mistake? How many NHL games has Krueger won since he left Edmonton? Less than Eakins has. Was Eakins a bad hire at the time? Not really, I didn't like him but he was highly touted as the next up and comer. Did Eakins work as a coach? Absolutely not.

It would be a cold day in hell before you'd say anything bad about Mact. Say it with me now "Firing Kreuger was a mistake. Hiring Eakins was a mistake. Waiting too long to fire Eakins was a mistake."

There, doesn't that feel better now.
- Oildrum

Most of this is accurate but we will never know if kreuger was the guy and could have had the Oil in the playoffs by now. Clearly Eakins got them McDavid so was the right choice.

Most of this is accurate but we will never know if kreuger was the guy and could have had the Oil in the playoffs by now. Clearly Eakins got them McDavid so was the right choice.
- leonkennedy

If MacT was a good GM he would have forced San Jose to fire McLellan so he could sign him and then McLellan would be a great coach who would have made the Oilers finish in the playoffs because having good players is dumb or something like that.

It is possible to both applaud the positives and chastise the negatives of an individual, just because you cannot see more than one dimension doesn't mean you can extrapolate that frame of mind to me.

Firing Krueger was a mistake? How many NHL games has Krueger won since he left Edmonton? Less than Eakins has. Was Eakins a bad hire at the time? Not really, I didn't like him but he was highly touted as the next up and comer. Did Eakins work as a coach? Absolutely not.
- Dangles13

Hey. You stop that. You just stop using logic right now mister.

It is possible to both applaud the positives and chastise the negatives of an individual, just because you cannot see more than one dimension doesn't mean you can extrapolate that frame of mind to me.

Firing Krueger was a mistake? How many NHL games has Krueger won since he left Edmonton? Less than Eakins has. Was Eakins a bad hire at the time? Not really, I didn't like him but he was highly touted as the next up and comer. Did Eakins work as a coach? Absolutely not.
- Dangles13

And he took too long to fire him. Admit it dammit.

Hey. You stop that. You just stop using logic right now mister.
- leonkennedy

Guess he should apologize for making you simpletons think.

Most of this is accurate but we will never know if kreuger was the guy and could have had the Oil in the playoffs by now. Clearly Eakins got them McDavid so was the right choice.
- leonkennedy

You're right on that mark. MacT, Eakins Lowe and the last 9 years (gulp) of pain at least got us McDavid for all our troubles.

Thank god we won the lottery.

And he took too long to fire him. Admit it dammit.
- Oildrum

Who's to say what is too long? Nelson gets lauded as some kind of Messiah and yet he wasn't able to get the Oilers to win more than 50% of their games. I doubt anybody would have been able to coach the team to any kind of success.

Who's to say what is too long? Nelson gets lauded as some kind of Messiah and yet he wasn't able to get the Oilers to win more than 50% of their games. I doubt anybody would have been able to coach the team to any kind of success.
- Dangles13

Well without centers and capable defensemen that belong in the league and not the Swedish junior division c. I don't even think Jesus could of coached this team to 500

Well without centers and capable defensemen that belong in the league and not the Swedish junior division c. I don't even think Jesus could of coached this team to 500
- oranje_blue91

Nurse is going to help this team so much when he is ready, compile that with a decent signing of a guy like Green or Sekera and the arrival of McJesus and possibly Draisaitl...

You also underestimate Jesus.

Nurse is going to help this team so much when he is ready, compile that with a decent signing of a guy like Green or Sekera and the arrival of McJesus and possibly Draisaitl...

You also underestimate Jesus.


- Dangles13

Exactly. Don't underestimate him. He totally used his magic powers to get out of that crucifix....oh wait. That didn't work out so well.

Exactly. Don't underestimate him. He totally used his magic powers to get out of that crucifix....oh wait. That didn't work out so well.
- leonkennedy

He chose to die for everyones sins. He didn't want to escape.

Bible studies 101, man.

He chose to die for everyones sins. He didn't want to escape.

Bible studies 101, man.
- Oildrum

Oh yeah. He clearly had a choice. Fictional book studies 101 may not be an entirely accurate account of what actually happened

Oh yeah. He clearly had a choice. Fictional book studies 101 may not be an entirely accurate account of what actually happened
- leonkennedy

What was your excuse? Too busy making some kind of smoothie with only organic ingredients and tofu and soy products?
- leonkennedy

I actually stay away from soy products, lowers testerone.

But yeah i was making a mass gainer shake actually.

Let's see what an experienced GM in Chiarelli can do over the next 24 months, that's how long MacT had. Compare it to Mac T and see where we're at. No need to even bring Dithers into the conversation.

MacT was not up to the challenge, he looked like a defeated man well before he lost his job.
- Oildrum

2 years? MacT already did all the heavy lifting? Mac t filled 12 of 15 holes on this team and you give PC 2 more seasons for the remaining 3?

(frank).that.

What I say about how MacT looked at the end is irrelevant, you're right. The job he did over the last 2 years speaks for itself. He admitted himself near the end that he may have lost some respectability around the league with other GM's. I don't remember the exact wording but something to that effect.
- Oildrum

Link or malarkey?