I am quite certain I made the sarcasm very apparently in my post bud...
- Guile

It was very apparent bud. I was just agreeing with the sarcasm. Why are all of you guys always so angry? Maybe a Sutter trade will cheer this bunch up.

It was very apparent bud. I was just agreeing with the sarcasm. Why are all of you guys always so angry? Maybe a Sutter trade will cheer this bunch up.
- did109

Well it goes from 80 to 50 in 24 hours and it rains a lot. Start there

It was very apparent bud. I was just agreeing with the sarcasm. Why are all of you guys always so angry? Maybe a Sutter trade will cheer this bunch up.
- did109

Sure, if some team was dumb enough to give up a 1st rounder for him it would cheer up the mood here.

It was very apparent bud. I was just agreeing with the sarcasm. Why are all of you guys always so angry? Maybe a Sutter trade will cheer this bunch up.
- did109

Dude, I am very rarely angry... my place of work makes everything better.

You know what would help replace Sutter's 21 goals? Having a third line that take some of the tough defensive minutes so that Crosby doesn't have to take them all.

You know what would help replace Sutter's 21 goals? Having a third line that take some of the tough defensive minutes so that Crosby doesn't have to take them all.
- Tojo.

Or wingers that aren't hurt, AHL, or in the box more often than naught on the 3rd line. We could even have 5-8 less goals from the 3rd Center position in this supposed idea of the thread, if the wingers added 5+ more goals themselves on the 3rd line.

Might be a crazy thought to have just a possession, defensive, near pure assist making Center here in Pittsburgh, but wingers can score goals too.

Well it goes from 80 to 50 in 24 hours and it rains a lot. Start there
- dbell646

NO poop!!! I cut grass in a damn hoody with a turtleneck yesterday....what the hell was that about?

NO poop!!! I cut grass in a damn hoody with a turtleneck yesterday....what the hell was that about?
- did109

It's the worst man. Mother nature is a miserable female dog

We'll trade you Staal for Sutter, Doumolin and a second.

Go TB.

And once again Ovie fails to make it to the ECF.

We'll trade you Staal for Sutter, Doumolin and a second.
- dps0610

Take Scuderi too and I'd do it.

Seems like Rutherford is the person to blame for all your issues if you're saying that, and the evidence is clear with your fountain of depth your team has.
- SRam19

He's certainly to blame for not firing Bylsma for whatever it was, 21 days. That was new territory in organizational incompetence. There is only one way to increase the incompetence:

Mike Babcock is fielding offers right now. Not Willie Dejardins, not John Stevens or Barry Trotz. If the Penguins don't talk to Babcock because they're afraid of a perception, that's an organizational failure much more severe than letting Dan twist in the wind.

Or wingers that aren't hurt, AHL, or in the box more often than naught on the 3rd line. We could even have 5-8 less goals from the 3rd Center position in this supposed idea of the thread, if the wingers added 5+ more goals themselves on the 3rd line.

Might be a crazy thought to have just a possession, defensive, near pure assist making Center here in Pittsburgh, but wingers can score goals too.
- Guile

Like I said earlier, don't try to blame the lack of a functional third line on th wingers. Maybe last year you could with the revolving door we had, but not this year. Sutter played with the same guys pretty consistently and he still couldn't facilitate any offense. He was like this with TK and Matt Cooke too when he enharetted Staal's line. It doesn't matter who you put on the wings, a line centered by Sutter will only produce if Sutter gets an open look from the right hand circle, which is unacceptable

Like I said earlier, don't try to blame the lack of a functional third line on th wingers. Maybe last year you could with the revolving door we had, but not this year. Sutter played with the same guys pretty consistently and he still couldn't facilitate any offense. He was like this with TK and Matt Cooke too when he enharetted Staal's line. It doesn't matter who you put on the wings, a line centered by Sutter will only produce if Sutter gets an open look from the right hand circle, which is unacceptable
- Victoro311

Sutter blackholed everyone he has played with, including Malkin. He's a dreadfully ineffective playmaker so it doesn't matter who is on his line. They won't be effective.

He's certainly to blame for not firing Bylsma for whatever it was, 21 days. That was new territory in organizational incompetence. There is only one way to increase the incompetence:

Mike Babcock is fielding offers right now. Not Willie Dejardins, not John Stevens or Barry Trotz. If the Penguins don't talk to Babcock because they're afraid of a perception, that's an organizational failure much more severe than letting Dan twist in the wind.
- Johnny Wrath

Not pursuing Babcock is one of the dumber things this organization has done in a long time. And that's accounting for everything this organization has done, which says a lot.

Sutter blackholed everyone he has played with, including Malkin. He's a dreadfully ineffective playmaker so it doesn't matter who is on his line. They won't be effective.
- jfkst1

This is why it perplexes me that people are done with Beau Bennett before see what he can do in his proper roll and away from Sutter. It's silly to think that a guy who's had his development stunted can pick up an entire line because Sutter is awful. He could be a good player, but he's not a rising super star. We don't need him to be, either. We just need him to contribute and he won't do that with Sutter. No one can.

He's certainly to blame for not firing Bylsma for whatever it was, 21 days. That was new territory in organizational incompetence. There is only one way to increase the incompetence:

Mike Babcock is fielding offers right now. Not Willie Dejardins, not John Stevens or Barry Trotz. If the Penguins don't talk to Babcock because they're afraid of a perception, that's an organizational failure much more severe than letting Dan twist in the wind.
- Johnny Wrath

Fair enough, but to start interviewing for a new coach and not guaranteed that they would sign is a huge risk that the pens dont want to take.

Fair enough, but to start interviewing for a new coach and not guaranteed that they would sign is a huge risk that the pens dont want to take.
- SRam19

That's why it should be done behind the scenes....and a (frank)ing muzzle on JR.

Take Scuderi too and I'd do it.
- jfkst1

Staal (take your pick) for Sutter, Doumolin, Skuds and a second (first if you take Eric)

Fair enough, but to start interviewing for a new coach and not guaranteed that they would sign is a huge risk that the pens dont want to take.
- SRam19

I don't understand what the huge risk is that's a bigger risk than not talking to the finest coach on the planet.

This is why it perplexes me that people are done with Beau Bennett before see what he can do in his proper roll and away from Sutter. It's silly to think that a guy who's had his development stunted can pick up an entire line because Sutter is awful. He could be a good player, but he's not a rising super star. We don't need him to be, either. We just need him to contribute and he won't do that with Sutter. No one can.
- Victoro311

I don't really like Bennett but he is cheap, young, and hasn't even played 100 games yet so I'm fine keeping him around. He's been pathetically injury prone, but so has practically anyone the moment they come to this organization.

Staal (take your pick) for Sutter, Doumolin, Skuds and a second (first if you take Eric)
- dps0610

I'll take Jordan and a prospect. Thanks.

I'll take Jordan and a prospect. Thanks.
- Victoro311

If we're taking Skuderi, you get no prospect.

If we're taking Skuderi, you get no prospect.
- dps0610

Meh. I'll keep Scuderi then but you take Spaling.

This is why it perplexes me that people are done with Beau Bennett before see what he can do in his proper roll and away from Sutter. It's silly to think that a guy who's had his development stunted can pick up an entire line because Sutter is awful. He could be a good player, but he's not a rising super star. We don't need him to be, either. We just need him to contribute and he won't do that with Sutter. No one can.
- Victoro311

Were you the hockey fan that would play Malkin at C with Sutter on the RW and not the reverse because Sutter is brutal on the boards?

Unfortunately there is no position at which to play Sutter which would relieve him of playing on the boards. If only there were. If only we could make the Earth around only Sutter smaller and therefore increase his mass, or place Sutter in a time machine so as to more quickly realize his full potential as the assistant coach of the Oilers.

If Sutter can be turned into a second round draft pick and a marginal prospect, that's probably the best outcome for the Penguins.