im not allowed to use playoff stats, they dont matter, only 82 game regular season stats and one game in january. plus, the 52% to 51.6% faceoff advantage is too much to overcome.
- flyershockey

Who's conveniently pulling out stats to support their argument? What about giveaways, takeaways, shots overall, hits, shots in the season series . . .

Please, stop, my 9 year old makes a lot more sense.

Nope. All JJ is saying is that for the people that like to predict a series using statistics, the Hawks have the bigger advantage given that context.

I would argue even more so that the Ducks had two easier opponents than the Hawks. Again using statistics, The Flames and Jets had a record of 88-56-20 for 196 pts. The Blackhawks opponents, The Wild and Predators, combined for a regular season record of 93-53-18 for 204 pts. Just sayin'.

Hawks in 6 games.
- Bjm84

well if you want to use stats, 8 pts over a 164 game sample size is essentially not a statistical advantage whatsoever. its within the margin of error.

Nope. All JJ is saying is that for the people that like to predict a series using statistics, the Hawks have the bigger advantage given that context.

I would argue even more so that the Ducks had two easier opponents than the Hawks. Again using statistics, The Flames and Jets had a record of 88-56-20 for 196 pts. The Blackhawks opponents, The Wild and Predators, combined for a regular season record of 93-53-18 for 204 pts. Just sayin'.

Hawks in 6 games.
- Bjm84

So in the stats that you use. The wild and predators are better opponents because they had 8 more points over 164 games than the Jets and Flames had. What you fail to bring to the table is that the Ducks had 7 more points than the blackhawks had in the regular season in which they each played 82 games.

This is his point. But not using that exact same statistic to illustrate that the Ducks are a firmidable opponent.

So in the stats that you use. The wild and predators are better opponents because they had 8 more points over 164 games than the Jets and Flames had. What you fail to bring to the table is that the Ducks had 7 more points than the blackhawks had in the regular season in which they each played 82 games.

This is his point. But not using that exact same statistic to illustrate that the Ducks are a firmidable opponent.
- nurk

whoa look, he conveniently pulled a stat to prove his point that the ducks are better.

why am i b hurt, because i dont agree with your opinion? i think the ducks are a better team than the blackhawks. so do a lot of other people. but all knowing jj picked some stats that favor the blackhawks so they are the better team, end of story. the blackhawks could easily win this series. you giving the ducks 0 chance is absurd.
- flyershockey

So tell us some stats that tell us why you think the Ducks win?

So in the stats that you use. The wild and predators are better opponents because they had 8 more points over 164 games than the Jets and Flames had. What you fail to bring to the table is that the Ducks had 7 more points than the blackhawks had in the regular season in which they each played 82 games.

This is his point. But not using that exact same statistic to illustrate that the Ducks are a firmidable opponent.
- nurk

The Ducks played an easier schedule dude. Put them in the Central and it may be different story. It's not apples to apples.

As for the series. I think it's a toss-up. I give slight edge to Hawks, but at this time of the year it's so hard to call.

So in the stats that you use. The wild and predators are better opponents because they had 8 more points over 164 games than the Jets and Flames had. What you fail to bring to the table is that the Ducks had 7 more points than the blackhawks had in the regular season in which they each played 82 games.

This is his point. But not using that exact same statistic to illustrate that the Ducks are a firmidable opponent.
- nurk

You just made the point why playoff stats provide almost zero comparative value. thanks

Ok then I pick the Blackhawks in 6. Why? Because I said so. That a good enough reason to support my pick? Are you convinced by my argument?
- golfbard

well if you want to use stats, 8 pts over a 164 game sample size is essentially not a statistical advantage whatsoever. its within the margin of error.
- flyershockey

And the Ducks also only had +10 goal differential over that span. The Blackhawks? +40. Boom. That's a HUGE statistical advantage there guy.

So in the stats that you use. The wild and predators are better opponents because they had 8 more points over 164 games than the Jets and Flames had. What you fail to bring to the table is that the Ducks had 7 more points than the blackhawks had in the regular season in which they each played 82 games.

This is his point. But not using that exact same statistic to illustrate that the Ducks are a firmidable opponent.
- nurk

Who said the Ducks aren't a formidable opponent?

You just made the point why playoff stats provide almost zero comparative value. thanks
- John Jaeckel

very simple question. i understand you think the hawks will win in 6, and you like your stats to prove it. i wouldnt be surprised at all if the hawks win in 6. my question. do you think the ducks can win this series?

So in the stats that you use. The wild and predators are better opponents because they had 8 more points over 164 games than the Jets and Flames had. What you fail to bring to the table is that the Ducks had 7 more points than the blackhawks had in the regular season in which they each played 82 games.

This is his point. But not using that exact same statistic to illustrate that the Ducks are a firmidable opponent.
- nurk

Again, the Ducks were +10 goals for/against. The Hawks, +40. This tells us that yes the Ducks score more than their opponets to win games. It also tells us though that either a) those games were a lot closer as an average margin than the Blackhawks or b) the Ducks were more inconsistent in general.

And the Ducks also only had +10 goal differential over that span. The Blackhawks? +40. Boom. That's a HUGE statistical advantage there guy.
- Bjm84

not really, its less than half a goal a game, and there can be a lot of statistical outliers within those numbers.

So tell us some stats that tell us why you think the Ducks win?
- golfbard

The Preds had a better record than the Blackhawks so by that argument, they should be playing Sunday.

Who said the Ducks aren't a formidable opponent?
- golfbard

Conspiracy theory: McCann is paying these guys to come over here and stir things up.

Conspiracy theory #2: They're all jacked up because they just heard Rocky 27 is going to start filming this fall.

Conspiracy theory #3: Emotions are running high in Philly because they just found out Santa is real.

not really, its less than half a goal a game, and there can be a lot of statistical outliers within those numbers.
- flyershockey

Haha. Okay man. I'm done with you. Good day.

Conspiracy theory: McCann is paying these guys to come over here and stir things up.

Conspiracy theory #2: They're all jacked up because they just heard Rocky 27 is going to start filming this fall.

Conspiracy theory #3: Emotions are running high in Philly because they just found out Santa is real.
- blackhawk24

Number 3 FTW

very simple question. i understand you think the hawks will win in 6, and you like your stats to prove it. i wouldnt be surprised at all if the hawks win in 6. my question. do you think the ducks can win this series?
- flyershockey

Sure. I just don't think they will—based on 82 games and 3 games head to head, styles of play, experience, coaching.

And, BTW, I acknowledged a huge statistical uptick (over 9 games against two teams) in the playoffs for the Ducks in power play and goaltending. I basically included the gamut of regular season and head to head stats.

What are "my stats" then and what am I missing?

Be specific please.

not really, its less than half a goal a game, and there can be a lot of statistical outliers within those numbers.
- flyershockey

Uh yea really. Anaheim's 226 goals against this season is tied with... Carolina. One of the worst teams in the league. Where are they now? Try again.

Sure. I just don't think they will—based on 82 games and 3 games head to head, styles of play, experience, coaching.

And, BTW, I acknowledged a huge statistical uptick (over 9 games against two teams) in the playoffs for the Ducks in power play and goaltending. I basically included the gamut of regular season and head to head stats.

What are "my stats" then and what am I missing?

Be specific please.
- John Jaeckel

thats the first time in 3 days i've heard you say that. thats all i wanted to know. i hope for the hawks sake rd 1 crawford doesnt show up.

ill follow up in 2 weeks on vermettes 70% in the dot this series.

not really, its less than half a goal a game, and there can be a lot of statistical outliers within those numbers.
- flyershockey

very simple question. i understand you think the hawks will win in 6, and you like your stats to prove it. i wouldnt be surprised at all if the hawks win in 6. my question. do you think the ducks can win this series?
- flyershockey

It's the playoffs, the teams have never met in the post season. Read the blog and the quality of the stats that are presented and how they relate to a games outcome. You're a flyers fan arent you? Why do you care? Your team has been golfing for a month and a half. Go get in the waiting line for the draft when your team becomes relevant again and leave the playoff talk to the fans and viewers that are still around in May and June every year.

But doesn't GAA = total goals allowed / games played?

Both teams did play 82 games. Am I missing something here?
- Tanuki

GAA does not factor in empty net goals but GA does.

It's the playoffs, the teams have never met in the post season. Read the blog and the quality of the stats that are presented and how they relate to a games outcome. You're a flyers fan arent you? Why do you care? Your team has been golfing for a month and a half. Go get in the waiting line for the draft when your team becomes relevant again and leave the playoff talk to the fans and viewers that are still around in May and June every year.
- nickmo2699

they last played april 11, so it hasnt been a month and a half.

also, the flyers have the 3rd best playoff percentage in nhl history, and were never in a league with 6 teams, if you'd like to use stats.

without looking it up, i believe they also have the 2nd or 3rd, but definitely top 5, most cup finals appearances since they entered the league.

#sickburn

thats the first time in 3 days i've heard you say that. thats all i wanted to know. i hope for the hawks sake rd 1 crawford doesnt show up.

ill follow up in 2 weeks on vermettes 70% in the dot this series.
- flyershockey

Again, you seem to be pulling things out of context.

You like playoff stats?

Go look up Vermette's playoff FO%, for starters. If he lines up against Rakell the whole series (the original context of my comment—you've apparently forgotten that), he could easily go 70%.

Crawford's career playoff #'s (large sample size, not 6 games):

37-24, .920 save%, 2.25 GAA, 4 shutouts, 3 Conference Finals, 1 Stanley Cup (so far)