I lied. Should be number one priority though after finding top six help. Other teams will be offering him more though after the beaut of a season he had.
- Grinder47

You bastard...

You know that bartley just prematurely ejaculated in his pants reading your post. And now it was a lie.

willi -- I can't quote you but that Craig Smith proposal is interesting. I just dont know he's a big enough upgrade....He should have been included in the Neal/Hornqvist deal.

You bastard...

You know that bartley just prematurely ejaculated in his pants reading your post. And now it was a lie.
- Guile

If he would be willing to accept a similar contract I see no reason not to bring him back. Maybe 2 yr at 1 a year.

He is an upgrade over Kuni, Comeau, BB, young and PHX could use support down the middle.
- sammy87

He won't be when he resigns. I agree that Phoenix is a good spot for Sutter since he'd be a 2C there and should have good value to them in a trade, but I wouldn't want Boedker coming back. Vermette is another one that was benefitting from playing a ton of minutes and is a depth forward for Chicago.

I agree with the assessment of Boedker. He doesn't generate many shots and has never scored 20 goals and he's going to be looking for $3.5mil+.

I still like Boedker. Dont mind the salary and I'd take him over Beleskey, but cost to acquire is probably too high. I'd just hope for the best with the cheap, raw verison of Boedker in Kapanen

Ya hilarious that one would think two generational talents might make the wingers they play with better. Or lets trade for Jerome iginla n see how he slots in. Yuk yuk yuk yuk
- Jordy8

I misunderstood you, thought you meant they needed to play to their potential. every player has their #s somewhat inflated around those two of course

I misunderstood you, thought you meant they needed to play to their potential. every player has their #s somewhat inflated around those two of course
- Bradlee3

We really need to stop bringing up Iginla... Dan (frank)ed that up. We know, he should know it, and Shero had one of the better deals in his tenure here getting Iginla.

blehhhhhhhh

We really need to stop bringing up Iginla... Dan (frank)ed that up. We know, he should know it, and Shero had one of the better deals in his tenure here getting Iginla.

blehhhhhhhh
- Guile

Yeah, Iginla wasn't the problem. That was a fair trade and Bylsma should have been fired that offseason for his terrible lineup decisions. Morrow and Murray were major overpayments that year.

He won't be when he resigns. I agree that Phoenix is a good spot for Sutter since he'd be a 2C there and should have good value to them in a trade, but I wouldn't want Boedker coming back. Vermette is another one that was benefitting from playing a ton of minutes and is a depth forward for Chicago.
- jfkst1

Boedker is still the best young winger ARI could offer. Who would you want coming back? Hanzal is a center so he's out. So, Duclair, Reider?

Maybe something like Sutter+Spaling for Reider/Duclair + Korpikoski

Yeah, Iginla wasn't the problem. That was a fair trade and Bylsma should have been fired that offseason for his terrible lineup decisions. Morrow and Murray were major overpayments that year.
- jfkst1

Morrow was a fine trade imo. We lost a player we used a 1st rounder on, who still isn't doing squat, and a 5th round pick. For another Morrow, and a 3rd.

So... we had a bust in a 1st rounder, yeah, we've done that, everyone has. But you turn that into a bottom 6 "veteran presence" rental. Ok, not the best. But, you gain a 3rd for a 5th.

If you are dumping a player who isn't gonna pan out, you can't do much better imo.


I have no defense for the Murray trade... at least he had a solid nickname.

Boedker is still the best young winger ARI could offer. Who would you want coming back? Hanzal is a center so he's out. So, Duclair, Reider?

Maybe something like Sutter+Spaling for Reider/Duclair + Korpikoski
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'd rather re-stock with picks/prospects than any roster players from Arizona.

I'm still in on Semin at 50% retained..

Maybe

Sutter + ?
for
Riley Nash and Semin (50% retained)

I'm still in on Semin at 50% retained..

Maybe

Sutter + ?
for
Riley Nash and Semin (50% retained)
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'm really hoping the price for Semin at 50% retained isn't huge. But no one has any idea on what their asking price actually is.

I'm still in on Semin at 50% retained..

Maybe

Sutter + ?
for
Riley Nash and Semin (50% retained)
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'd maybe consider Scuderi and Spaling for Semin.

Looking at how Rutherford's picks in Carolina have turned out, I'm terrified to see what happens in Pittsburgh. A lot of busts.

I'd maybe consider Scuderi and Spaling for Semin.

Looking at how Rutherford's picks in Carolina have turned out, I'm terrified to see what happens in Pittsburgh. A lot of busts.
- jfkst1

Ok, I would give Crosby's left nut for that deal... but lets be serious. Carolina isn't THAT desperate to get rid of Semin. Its really a bad overreaction on their part to want rid of him this bad, but no one would take that deal.

MAYBE LA would have considered that for Richards (assuming half retained on Richards in that scenario).

I'm really hoping the price for Semin at 50% retained isn't huge. But no one has any idea on what their asking price actually is.
- Guile

I guess there are two questions.


Does CAR want to get rid of the contract OR do they want to try to sell him based on Washington production? (plus look for extra assets since they have to retain salary?)

And would they ever give Semin at half price back to the GM that signed him to that awful deal?

I guess there are two questions.


Does CAR want to get rid of the contract OR do they want to try to sell him based on Washington production? (plus look for extra assets since they have to retain salary?)

And would they ever give Semin at half price back to the GM that signed him to that awful deal?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Well... Semin has really only has 1 "bad" season there. His first season was good, a point per game.

Second seasons dropped to about .66 a game. This 3rd one, dreadful, at .33.

Ok, I would give Crosby's left nut for that deal... but lets be serious. Carolina isn't THAT desperate to get rid of Semin. Its really a bad overreaction on their part to want rid of him this bad, but no one would take that deal.

MAYBE LA would have considered that for Richards (assuming half retained on Richards in that scenario).
- Guile

Probably not. But I view Semin as a complete liability at this point. Even with that deal, his last year could be an albatross to the team. And based on how Francis wasn't able to deal him at the deadline even when trying at half his salary retained tells me that most organizations view him the same way.

I agree with the assessment of Boedker. He doesn't generate many shots and has never scored 20 goals and he's going to be looking for $3.5mil+.
- willi

This stat is a bit misleading. Before the lockout season, he had a break out performance during the playoffs, and then during the lock out he was on pace for about 40 points. Last year he missed the 20 goal mark by a single tally and notched 51 points.This season he only played in about half the games and notched 14, putting him at an almost 30 goal pace. I don't watch Arizona or Boedker, but from a stats only perspective, this is the kind of upward trending development I'd want to see from a youngster. If Sutter can somehow fetch him, I think this the best kind of deal we can get for Sutter, maybe Sutter and a little plus. If we send out Sutter for Boedker and manage to throw Spaling in as a throw in cap dump, then we not only get Boedker, but also the cap space to make a play at Soderberg.

Between Boedker and Perron, we'd have our top 6 LWs with Kunitz at depth to jump up in case of injury. Between Kapanen, Bennett, and possibly Dupuis, there's a solid chance we don't have to look any further for a 3RW. By giving Malkin some talent in Boedker or Perron, we could stand to have a weaker link at RW. Let's take a looksee:

Boedker-Crosby-Hornqvist
Perron-Malkin-Bennett/Kapanen
Kunitz-Soderberg-Dupuis/Bennett/XXX
Sundqvist/XXX-Sundqvist/XXX-Rust/Wilson

That forward grouping looks really good to me. I like the idea of giving Crosby a fast sniper with Hornqvist to beast it up in front of the net, so I put Boedker with the top line for now, but he can easily interchange with Perron. Malkin killed it with Neal, so I see no reason why Boedker wouldn't be a great fit with his slightly worse shot, but better all around game.

Well... Semin has really only has 1 "bad" season there. His first season was good, a point per game.

Second seasons dropped to about .66 a game. This 3rd one, dreadful, at .33.
- Guile

Semin is the reason the lazy Russian stereotype exists. Tons of talent, great quick release, just no drive or intensity in his game at all. I wouldn't take Semin if CAR had 100% retained.

Semin is the reason the lazy Russian stereotype exists. Tons of talent, great quick release, just no drive or intensity in his game at all. I wouldn't take Semin if CAR had 100% retained.
- sammy87

I agree. I have no bias towards Russians, but Semin is an embarrassment. I mean, if he had 100% salary retained, I'd take him obviously but I wouldn't give up much.

This stat is a bit misleading. Before the lockout season, he had a break out performance during the playoffs, and then during the lock out he was on pace for about 40 points. Last year he missed the 20 goal mark by a single tally and notched 51 points.This season he only played in about half the games and notched 14, putting him at an almost 30 goal pace. I don't watch Arizona or Boedker, but from a stats only perspective, this is the kind of upward trending development I'd want to see from a youngster. If Sutter can somehow fetch him, I think this the best kind of deal we can get for Sutter, maybe Sutter and a little plus. If we send out Sutter for Boedker and manage to throw Spaling in as a throw in cap dump, then we not only get Boedker, but also the cap space to make a play at Soderberg.

Between Boedker and Perron, we'd have our top 6 LWs with Kunitz at depth to jump up in case of injury. Between Kapanen, Bennett, and possibly Dupuis, there's a solid chance we don't have to look any further for a 3RW. By giving Malkin some talent in Boedker or Perron, we could stand to have a weaker link at RW. Let's take a looksee:

Boedker-Crosby-Hornqvist
Perron-Malkin-Bennett/Kapanen
Kunitz-Soderberg-Dupuis/Bennett/XXX
Sundqvist/XXX-Sundqvist/XXX-Rust/Wilson

That forward grouping looks really good to me. I like the idea of giving Crosby a fast sniper with Hornqvist to beast it up in front of the net, so I put Boedker with the top line for now, but he can easily interchange with Perron. Malkin killed it with Neal, so I see no reason why Boedker wouldn't be a great fit with his slightly worse shot, but better all around game.
- Victoro311

IMO, that lineup would be a best case scenario and should be achievable. I think they can make this happen and the team would be pretty solid.

IMO, that lineup would be a best case scenario and should be achievable. I think they can make this happen and the team would be pretty solid.
- sammy87

See. The Penguin's aren't unsalvageable. We just need to make the right moves and hope that at least one, best case scenario 2 of Bennett, Kapanen, and Sundqvist are ready to contribute to the Penguins in a prominent roll next season, which all things considered isn't that much to ask and is a fair expectation. This also leaves some cap to maybe fiddle around with the defense a little, more so if we decide to move on from Kunitz. I'm still of the mind set that if its at all possible to open up the cap space we should pursue Sekera now. Now that Despres is gone, we just don't have the prospects to guarantee that we can fill out the top 4 with our farm. Pouliot, Dumoulin, Cole, Lovejoy, and Harrington can fill out the 4-6 spot no problem in the short term. In the long term, either Dumo or Pouliot could end up being a solid, if not good 3 option, but that would only make our D that much stronger if we also had Sekera for five or so years. But next season, I think we're in serious trouble with our second pairing. We're gonna be leaning on Tanger and Maatta a lot.

I'm still in on Semin at 50% retained..

Maybe

Sutter + ?
for
Riley Nash and Semin (50% retained)
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I wouldn't trade for Semin but I would sign him if he gets bought out. Give him a 1 year deal and hope he pans out.

See. The Penguin's aren't unsalvageable. We just need to make the right moves and hope that at least one, best case scenario 2 of Bennett, Kapanen, and Sundqvist are ready to contribute to the Penguins in a prominent roll next season, which all things considered isn't that much to ask and is a fair expectation. This also leaves some cap to maybe fiddle around with the defense a little, more so if we decide to move on from Kunitz. I'm still of the mind set that if its at all possible to open up the cap space we should pursue Sekera now. Now that Despres is gone, we just don't have the prospects to guarantee that we can fill out the top 4 with our farm. Pouliot, Dumoulin, Cole, Lovejoy, and Harrington can fill out the 4-6 spot no problem in the short term. In the long term, either Dumo or Pouliot could end up being a solid, if not good 3 option, but that would only make our D that much stronger if we also had Sekera for five or so years. But next season, I think we're in serious trouble with our second pairing. We're gonna be leaning on Tanger and Maatta a lot.
- Victoro311

Its a big IF if they can get a good return for Sutter. I really have no read on what his perceived value is around the league.