On what authority are you making that claim? Because you have been calling for his trade ad nauseum since we got eliminated?
- Victoro311

It was a bit of a joke, but I've been throwing this out for a few seasons now. But yeah lets just keep throwing next year's Comeau with him and see how it works.

It was a bit of a joke, but I've been throwing this out for a few seasons now. But yeah lets just keep throwing next year's Comeau with him and see how it works.
- sammy87

Pittsburgh will never win anything if they can't compile a stellar collection of wingers like Fedetenko, Satan, and Talbot for Malkin.

Switzerland is beautiful with beautiful ladies. He made a good choice.
- AdamFrench

Everywhere is beautiful with beautiful ladies....except Uzbekestan.

Jero;

..........& where you are Jero, they're ALL ladyboys no matter what they tell you before you get drunk & forget who is doing what with who!

Pittsburgh will never win anything if they can't compile a stellar collection of wingers like Fedetenko, Satan, and Talbot for Malkin.

- jfkst1

And 71's cap hit was $3.8mil so they can also have players like Talbot, Cooke, TK, Staal, a 28 yr old Kunitz, a defensive group thats pretty much under 30, Gonchar in his prime, things like that help too. Also Dupes was on the 4th line.

And 71's cap hit was $3.8mil so they can also have players like Talbot, Cooke, TK, Staal, a 28 yr old Kunitz, a defensive group thats pretty much under 30, Gonchar in his prime, things like that help too. Also Dupes was on the 4th line.
- sammy87

And had $6m in Sykora and Satan, who combined for 1 goal and 7 pts. in the playoffs. There's nothing insurmountable with the Penguin's cap situation other than their failure to identify value.

And had $6m in Sykora and Satan, who combined for 1 goal in the playoffs.
- jfkst1

The point is the Pens had a great bottom 6 that could contribute when 71 and 87 could not. They also had guys like Kunitz in his prime and it worked great. They also had a very good defense. Since then Shero traded away all the prospects, didn't draft F's and gave bad contracts to aging players. He and JR are forced to take scraps from the FA pool and hope things work out. With literally nothing of value other than 71 to trade away, expect the same.

And had $6m in Sykora and Satan, who combined for 1 goal and 7 pts. in the playoffs. There's nothing insurmountable with the Penguin's cap situation other than their failure to identify value.
- jfkst1

And how do you identify value? RW keeps throwing it around, but getting 21g from Sutter for 3.3 is good value. You can say 17g from Comeau for $700k or whatever is good value too, but thats not a true indictment of their play and what they bring to the table. I'll counter and say paying $9.5 for a player that can't play a full season or score 30g in the past 3 seasons is not good value.

And how do you identify value? RW keeps throwing it around, but getting 21g from Sutter for 3.3 is good value. You can say 17g from Comeau for $700k or whatever is good value too, but thats not a true indictment of their play and what they bring to the table. I'll counter and say paying $9.5 for a player that can't play a full season or score 30g in the past 3 seasons is not good value.
- sammy87

Neither Malkin nor Letang are good value if they can't play complete seasons. Especially if they aren't healthy like this year in the postseason. There will be cost-effective options this UFA, even with the weak class. Stralman and Perreault were both great cost-effective signings last year.

And how do you identify value? RW keeps throwing it around, but getting 21g from Sutter for 3.3 is good value. You can say 17g from Comeau for $700k or whatever is good value too, but thats not a true indictment of their play and what they bring to the table. I'll counter and say paying $9.5 for a player that can't play a full season or score 30g in the past 3 seasons is not good value.
- sammy87

Value is relative to the market NOT relative to results. 1 follows the other & just like Corsi evens itself out eventually.

Ask the question: Winnik had/has good stats but was crap in the playoffs - what his price will be probably won't reflect his recent results. Lapierre was crap in season but was very good in the playoffs in his role, what will his price be?

Some guys are paid to score goals (amongst other things), but don't to an acceptable level in this thread, others are NOT paid to score goals & are expected to by people in this thread. So value in here & out there are probably 2 wonderfully different things!

And 71's cap hit was $3.8mil so they can also have players like Talbot, Cooke, TK, Staal, a 28 yr old Kunitz, a defensive group thats pretty much under 30, Gonchar in his prime, things like that help too. Also Dupes was on the 4th line.
- sammy87

I think Letang and maybe Orpik were only regulars on D that were under 30 on that cup team.....

The point is the Pens had a great bottom 6 that could contribute when 71 and 87 could not. They also had guys like Kunitz in his prime and it worked great. They also had a very good defense. Since then Shero traded away all the prospects, didn't draft F's and gave bad contracts to aging players. He and JR are forced to take scraps from the FA pool and hope things work out. With literally nothing of value other than 71 to trade away, expect the same.
- sammy87

You talk of GMJR being left to take scraps from the UFA pool but that is basically what Satan, Cooke and Fedotenko were

You talk of GMJR being left to take scraps from the UFA pool but that is basically what Satan, Cooke and Fedotenko were
- willi

I don't like Rutherford, but he did well with UFAs last year. Hopefully he can replicate that again this year.

It was a bit of a joke, but I've been throwing this out for a few seasons now. But yeah lets just keep throwing next year's Comeau with him and see how it works.
- sammy87

Before they both got injuries that neither seemed to recover from, that actually worked pretty well. I don't want to enter the season with Comeau in the top 6, but if they sign him and someone else fails or gets hurt, it wouldn't shock me if Comeau again thrived there.

If anyone watched the rangers win over the caps tonite. Take notice fans, that is how a goalie steals you a game. Not losing by a goal but WINNING by a goal. Fleury plays well enough to lose by a goal, King Henrik steals a game and wins by a goal. That is the difference. I know all the MAF lovers will say that Henrik has never won a Cup but that is not his fault. If you exchanged MAF to Henrik how many Cups would the Pens have won. I will say probably three

If anyone watched the rangers win over the caps tonite. Take notice fans, that is how a goalie steals you a game. Not losing by a goal but WINNING by a goal. Fleury plays well enough to lose by a goal, King Henrik steals a game and wins by a goal. That is the difference. I know all the MAF lovers will say that Henrik has never won a Cup but that is not his fault. If you exchanged MAF to Henrik how many Cups would the Pens have won. I will say probably three
- holeinone

I think Kreiders 2nd goal had a lot to do with winning that game!

If anyone watched the rangers win over the caps tonite. Take notice fans, that is how a goalie steals you a game. Not losing by a goal but WINNING by a goal. Fleury plays well enough to lose by a goal, King Henrik steals a game and wins by a goal. That is the difference. I know all the MAF lovers will say that Henrik has never won a Cup but that is not his fault. If you exchanged MAF to Henrik how many Cups would the Pens have won. I will say probably three
- holeinone

As an outsider and without bias. I would have to agree. With lundquist the pens would have won at least one more cup if not more.

If anyone watched the rangers win over the caps tonite. Take notice fans, that is how a goalie steals you a game. Not losing by a goal but WINNING by a goal. Fleury plays well enough to lose by a goal, King Henrik steals a game and wins by a goal. That is the difference. I know all the MAF lovers will say that Henrik has never won a Cup but that is not his fault. If you exchanged MAF to Henrik how many Cups would the Pens have won. I will say probably three
- holeinone

Are you calling out MAF when Nash and Brassard had their way with Martin and Lovejoy. If Fluery had the d-core that Lundqvist has had he may have won more cups.

If anyone watched the rangers win over the caps tonite. Take notice fans, that is how a goalie steals you a game. Not losing by a goal but WINNING by a goal. Fleury plays well enough to lose by a goal, King Henrik steals a game and wins by a goal. That is the difference. I know all the MAF lovers will say that Henrik has never won a Cup but that is not his fault. If you exchanged MAF to Henrik how many Cups would the Pens have won. I will say probably three
- holeinone

If we had one more of a lot of things we could win more cups. I could say other parts of the team failed just as much as Fleury if not more since their last cup win.

Long live geno. Check his resume. I had a feeling Washington was gonna blow it they r just that team. Get it done Ovie. As for the guy pumping lundqvist tires ...the guy hasnt won anything. In the words of tortorella "he may go down as one of the biggest failures ever.kid made a great choice who wouldnt want to live in Switzerland. Canadian built system all his coaches n competition r from the chl anyways

Just read the Devils blog about Shero possibly on the hunt for Hynes.

I would have thought if MJ doesn't pan out next season - not that I'm saying he was bad this season (there were a few things but he's a guy that's learning as well), Hynes will be the next Pens coach? Could he even be brought in as an assistant - great D stats & surely his PP isn't any worse than Tocchett's hot potato spiderweb???

As an outsider and without bias. I would have to agree. With lundquist the pens would have won at least one more cup if not more.
- MrSmitty

and pretty much 0 cap space for anyone else. With Lundquest a lot of teams would be better. Thats like saying the Browns would have a better chance at the playoffs if Brady was their QB.