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Sandus
Joined: 12.04.2009

May 7 @ 3:38 PM ET
That's my point, it doesn't matter what plane the puck is breaking (the front or back of the goal line). It's still a visual method, it's just changing where you make the measurement (this would be easier to do with a visual).

As for the EMI thing, yes, you'd have to have the BOG and PA sign off on it, and you'd have to be able to prove its infallibility and make sure it's calibrated before every game (or every period). As for a goalie intentionally doing that, it would set off a signal as soon as he starts to cross the plane in warm-ups, and you'd make the penalty a forfeit.

- jmatchett383

Arenas have a hard enough time operating the scoreboard properly. I shudder to think of them calibrating sensors.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 7 @ 3:41 PM ET
Arenas have a hard enough time operating the scoreboard properly. I shudder to think of them calibrating sensors.
- Sandus


Well, yes, I don't really trust the NHL to implement new technology properly.
AxlRose91
Joined: 09.24.2013

May 7 @ 4:26 PM ET
No. Let's not get crazy, but OEL and Edmonton's choice of Strome, Marner or Hanifin?


The Oilers should probably do that to be honest. Given how good their fowards are, and assuming they could trade a couple future picks for a good goalie, how insane does their team look starting next year if their defense features OEL, Nurse, Klefbom, Hanifin, Maricin and Schultz.

I'd have to figure if not Cup favorites next year, they would be the year after.

- James_Tanner


Is the answer "not insane at all"?

OEL - solid defenseman. Top pairing guy on just about any team
Nurse - completely unproven rookie
Klefbom - completely unproven rookie
Hanifin - completely unproven rookie
Maricin - completely unproven rookie
Schultz - barely a 5/6 guy

Come on, Tanner
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 7 @ 4:30 PM ET
They did, or were going to. But come on, look at Lundqvist's shoulder pads. He can cover 3/4 of the net with those things. Make them the style that Roy was wearing in the 80s and you'll have tons of more goalies getting beat high. Reduce the width of the leg pads, and you'll have a lot more five hole and far side goals.
- jmatchett383


I totally agree, but again they'll continue to play the "player safety" card and limit what the NHL can do.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

May 7 @ 4:31 PM ET
Is the answer "not insane at all"?

OEL - solid defenseman. Top pairing guy on just about any team
Nurse - completely unproven rookie
Klefbom - completely unproven rookie
Hanifin - completely unproven rookie
Maricin - completely unproven rookie
Schultz - barely a 5/6 guy

Come on, Tanner

- AxlRose91


Schultz is a way better player than people think. Like Gardiner, he gets a bad rap and is way better than is generally thought.

Three of the four rookies are likely to be NHL allstars, so I maintain my original thoughts.
AxlRose91
Joined: 09.24.2013

May 7 @ 4:34 PM ET
Schultz is a way better player than people think. Like Gardiner, he gets a bad rap and is way better than is generally thought.

Three of the four rookies are likely to be NHL allstars, so I maintain my original thoughts.

- James_Tanner


There's no way that three of those four guys are "likely" to be NHL all-stars. You meant to say "in my opinion, three of those four guys will be NHL all-stars"

And as you've proven to us time and time again, your opinion and the truth are most often mutually exclusive
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 7 @ 4:40 PM ET
Schultz is a way better player than people think. Like Gardiner, he gets a bad rap and is way better than is generally thought.

Three of the four rookies are likely to be NHL allstars, so I maintain my original thoughts.

- James_Tanner


Likely?

News flash: If every good prospect had a better than 50% chance of being an NHL all-star, the all-star game would need to expand to 100 man rosters.


Take a good look at past NHL drafts and count how many top 20(or even top 10 or 15) picks made an all-star team and do the math after.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

May 7 @ 4:42 PM ET
There's no way that three of those four guys are "likely" to be NHL all-stars. You meant to say "in my opinion, three of those four guys will be NHL all-stars"

And as you've proven to us time and time again, your opinion and the truth are most often mutually exclusive

- AxlRose91



Find me one person who knows anything about hockey who doesn't think that Klefbom, Nurse and Hanifin are likely to one day be allstars.

Find me anyone who'd call those six defensemen anything other than the best defense in the NHL.

OEL, Nurse, Klefbom, Hanifin, Schultz, Maricin.

That is crazy good. Like all time great good.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

May 7 @ 4:43 PM ET
Likely?

News flash: If every good prospect had a better than 50% chance of being an NHL all-star, the all-star game would need to expand to 100 man rosters.


Take a good look at past NHL drafts and count how many top 20(or even top 10 or 15) picks made an all-star team and do the math after.

Yeah but we aren't talking about draft picks. We are talking about players who have played in the NHL and are mostly developed already.

- Nucker101


Nurse and Klefbom both have been drawing rave reviews in their recent games.

I think the only question mark is Hanifin, but I am pretty confident declaring that he'll be an allstar one day. He's not your average pick.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 7 @ 4:49 PM ET
[quote=Nucker101]Likely?

News flash: If every good prospect had a better than 50% chance of being an NHL all-star, the all-star game would need to expand to 100 man rosters.


Take a good look at past NHL drafts and count how many top 20(or even top 10 or 15) picks made an all-star team and do the math after.

- James_Tanner[/quote

Yeah but we aren't talking about draft picks. We are talking about players who have played in the NHL and are mostly developed already.

Nurse and Klefbom both have been drawing rave reviews in their recent games.

I think the only question mark is Hanifin, but I am pretty confident declaring that he'll be an allstar one day. He's not your average pick.

While I agree that Nurse and Hanifin project to be all-stars, you have to realize less than 50% of prospects reach their projected potential in the NHL.

Recent defensemen drafted top 10:
2010: Gudbranson, McIlrath,
2009: Hedman, OEL, Cowen
2008: Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Schenn
2007: Hickey, Alzner, Ellerby
2006: E.Johnson
2005: J.Johnson, Lee, Bourdon(won't count him )
2004: Barker, Picard, Smid, Valabik

D-men drafted in the top 10 are far from likely to be all-stars.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

May 7 @ 5:10 PM ET
While I agree that Nurse and Hanifin project to be all-stars, you have to realize less than 50% of prospects reach their projected potential in the NHL.

Recent defensemen drafted top 10:
2010: Gudbranson, McIlrath,
2009: Hedman, OEL, Cowen
2008: Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Schenn
2007: Hickey, Alzner, Ellerby
2006: E.Johnson
2005: J.Johnson, Lee, Bourdon(won't count him )
2004: Barker, Picard, Smid, Valabik

D-men drafted in the top 10 are far from likely to be all-stars.

- Nucker101


I agree totally, but of the top ten busts, how many are top 3 - 5? Not many. I'd still put it at over 50% (making it likely) that Hanifin is an allstar.
jeffgouldonfire
Vancouver Canucks
Location: tucson
Joined: 03.08.2013

May 7 @ 5:35 PM ET
Call it a hunch, but a game that Calgary won isn't the proper catalyst for new technology, and a new vision of how to scientifically codify a result.
If, it was Toronto, and they lost a playoff series to the same call.....hello lasers and microchip pucks!
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

May 7 @ 5:36 PM ET
Call it a hunch, but a game that Calgary won isn't the proper catalyst for new technology, and a new vision of how to scientifically codify a result.
If, it was Toronto, and they lost a playoff series to the same call.....hello lasers and microchip pucks!

- jeffgouldonfire



Yeah, that's pretty funny. I like.
jimboscore1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sydney, NS
Joined: 08.24.2012

May 7 @ 6:02 PM ET
I completely agree with you! BTW that was a goal when you look at where the puck went in Goalie's pads! Why is goals review is in Toronto only anyway? It shouldn't be!
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

May 7 @ 6:04 PM ET
I completely agree with you! BTW that was a goal when you look at where the puck went in Goalie's pads! Why is goals review is in Toronto only anyway? It shouldn't be!
- jimboscore1



Center of the hockey universe, it makes sense.
kessellover69
Joined: 08.20.2014

May 7 @ 6:20 PM ET
Tanner, I'm not trying to troll you or the coyotes here. But what are your thoughts about the rumblings that the coyotes have hit the -50mill out clause and have the option to move the team. I haven't heard much about it. Do you know any more about it?
sfrizz
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.05.2010

May 7 @ 6:35 PM ET
James,
If I was to pay for your plane ticket do you think you would be able to hand deliver a Bible to Syria for me? It would be much appreciated
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

May 7 @ 7:41 PM ET
James,
If I was to pay for your plane ticket do you think you would be able to hand deliver a Bible to Syria for me? It would be much appreciated

- sfrizz



What about his meals/expenses/rental car?

Have to include that in the job offer...
sfrizz
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.05.2010

May 7 @ 7:44 PM ET
What about his meals/expenses/rental car?

Have to include that in the job offer...

- Byfuglien Ate Me


Hmmmm, fine. Meals, expenses, and a 2day rental car and a jumpsuit
Yeah Boyes
St Louis Blues
Location: Ekland, MO
Joined: 04.20.2009

May 7 @ 7:47 PM ET
While I agree that Nurse and Hanifin project to be all-stars, you have to realize less than 50% of prospects reach their projected potential in the NHL.

Recent defensemen drafted top 10:
2010: Gudbranson, McIlrath,
2009: Hedman, OEL, Cowen
2008: Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Schenn
2007: Hickey, Alzner, Ellerby
2006: E.Johnson
2005: J.Johnson, Lee, Bourdon(won't count him )
2004: Barker, Picard, Smid, Valabik

D-men drafted in the top 10 are far from likely to be all-stars.

- Nucker101


Just to be picky - EJ is good, but he did not come close to reaching his projected potential.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

May 7 @ 8:03 PM ET
Hmmmm, fine. Meals, expenses, and a 2day rental car and a jumpsuit
- sfrizz



Yes, I forgot the jumpsuit.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

May 7 @ 8:13 PM ET
Tanner, I'm not trying to troll you or the coyotes here. But what are your thoughts about the rumblings that the coyotes have hit the -50mill out clause and have the option to move the team. I haven't heard much about it. Do you know any more about it?
- kessellover69



I'm doing a mailbag post tomorrow or the next day, I'm gonna save this till then if that's cool.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

May 7 @ 8:14 PM ET
James,
If I was to pay for your plane ticket do you think you would be able to hand deliver a Bible to Syria for me? It would be much appreciated

- sfrizz



I don't really get this. Is this your way of saying it would be hilarious if i was murdered as a Christian evangelist in a non-Christian country?

Offense taken!
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

May 7 @ 8:16 PM ET
I don't really get this. Is this your way of saying it would be hilarious if i was murdered as a Christian evangelist in a non-Christian country?

Offense taken!

- James_Tanner



I think he's just joking Jimmy.
sfrizz
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.05.2010

May 7 @ 8:28 PM ET
I think he's just joking Jimmy.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

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