Can we go back to the old blog. Discussing Shero is a waste at this point. We will be dealing with his decisions for the next 3 years.

Was there really no one else available? I mean Shero sucked pretty bad for the Pens. His years here dont exactly scream top notch talent.
- sammy87

It's the NHL. It's all nepotistic hiring. Only reason Shero ever got into the NHL in the first place was his daddy. If he didn't have that connection, he'd never get into the NHL, much less be a GM.

That's exactly it just talk no evidence, Larsson was 4th overall Gelinas is a 13th forward, the future is so dark I need shades
- KreiderBomb

Shouldn't you be female doging about people trolling the rangers blog?

"Trusting youth is going to be imperative for the Devils to turn things around. This will be a massive shift for Shero, but as stated above one that he can make without immense pressure of a win now dynamic."

This is key, the biggest issue for the Devils the past few years, both Lou and DeBoer before he was fired, has been trusting young players. They need to give the few promising young players we have a chance to play over guys like Zubrus and Gionta.

Should be interesting to see how things go with someone new running things for the first time in almost 30 years. We could use some young forwards please.

oh wow....
- Reverend Killtaker

He's kinda right. Places like hockeysfuture are not reliable. Basically you are asking a couple of bloggers to make detailed rankings on hundreds of players across a bunch of different leagues.

He's kinda right. Places like hockeysfuture are not reliable. Basically you are asking a couple of bloggers to make detailed rankings on hundreds of players across a bunch of different leagues.
- rmdevil313

HF is garbage tier

Its funny how Pens fans went from "In Shero We Trust" to him doing a terrible job.

Dude won us a Cup. He made some major deals to get his teams in a position to legitimately win the Cup in '08, '09, and '13.

In '10, our D wasn't good enough. Even with that, Subban doesn't slash Stalls foot, we may win that series.

'11 may have been the Pens best team but no team overcomes losing 71 and 87. Not his fault.

'12 was a total team meltdown. You could certainly argue he should have canned Disco after that.

Hindsight is 20/20 with he Toews/Stall thing. Remember, Stall was a seasoned vet by '09 when he was a major contributor to a Cup. We didn't need another point-producing center. We needed the shutdown guy. Stall was indeed that. Toews was only developing into that guy at that point.

In '13, he handed Disco a Cup team on a silver platter and Disco and the star players failed. That year isn't on Shero.

We all know about the D thing. No sense rehashing that.

I'd give him a B+ for his tenure here.

I think he'll actually do good things in Jersey. I imagine he'll be taking one of our 43 Assistant GMs with him.

Its funny how Pens fans went from "In Shero We Trust" to him doing a terrible job.

Dude won us a Cup. He made some major deals to get his teams in a position to legitimately win the Cup in '08, '09, and '13.

In '10, our D wasn't good enough. Even with that, Subban doesn't slash Stalls foot, we may win that series.

'11 may have been the Pens best team but no team overcomes losing 71 and 87. Not his fault.

'12 was a total team meltdown. You could certainly argue he should have canned Disco after that.

Hindsight is 20/20 with he Toews/Stall thing. Remember, Stall was a seasoned vet by '09 when he was a major contributor to a Cup. We didn't need another point-producing center. We needed the shutdown guy. Stall was indeed that. Toews was only developing into that guy at that point.

In '13, he handed Disco a Cup team on a silver platter and Disco and the star players failed. That year isn't on Shero.

We all know about the D thing. No sense rehashing that.

I'd give him a B+ for his tenure here.

I think he'll actually do good things in Jersey. I imagine he'll be taking one of our 43 Assistant GMs with him.
- 87_71_11_29

He didn't really build the cup team though. That was in place before him. The Hossa trade was great, Kuni trade was great as well.

I think it was an error to run the same team in 10'. No major changes.

11' the team was broken and Kovalav and Poni? Come on.

12' team just wasnt that good and couldn't play D.

I dont agree with the Dupes and Kuni contracts. Scuds too. Those are 3 big deals that are still hurting the team. You can't tie guys up in their late 30's.

They won a cup with Staal, but a F would have been preferable. Okposo was on the board and he would still be on the team. Then with 2 1st rounders he takes Maata and DP. Terrible, had to take a F with one of those. Outside of Maata, none of his D picks have turned out "yet".

He should have kept Staal and moved 71 when his contract was up. The haul would have been enormous and they had complete control over him. It would have been ballsy but thats what your paid to do. Not just keep the "gang" together from yesterdays success.

Its funny how Pens fans went from "In Shero We Trust" to him doing a terrible job.

Dude won us a Cup. He made some major deals to get his teams in a position to legitimately win the Cup in '08, '09, and '13.

In '10, our D wasn't good enough. Even with that, Subban doesn't slash Stalls foot, we may win that series.

'11 may have been the Pens best team but no team overcomes losing 71 and 87. Not his fault.

'12 was a total team meltdown. You could certainly argue he should have canned Disco after that.

Hindsight is 20/20 with he Toews/Stall thing. Remember, Stall was a seasoned vet by '09 when he was a major contributor to a Cup. We didn't need another point-producing center. We needed the shutdown guy. Stall was indeed that. Toews was only developing into that guy at that point.

In '13, he handed Disco a Cup team on a silver platter and Disco and the star players failed. That year isn't on Shero.

We all know about the D thing. No sense rehashing that.

I'd give him a B+ for his tenure here.

I think he'll actually do good things in Jersey. I imagine he'll be taking one of our 43 Assistant GMs with him.
- 87_71_11_29

Meh... I give him a C at best. Sticking with Dan, leaving the team with zero depth at forward, big contracts for aging vets.

Meh... I give him a C at best. Sticking with Dan, leaving the team with zero depth at forward, big contracts for aging vets.
- madmike71

I think winning a Cup gets you a C automatically.

He didn't really build the cup team though. That was in place before him. The Hossa trade was great, Kuni trade was great as well.

I think it was an error to run the same team in 10'. No major changes.

11' the team was broken and Kovalav and Poni? Come on.

12' team just wasnt that good and couldn't play D.

I dont agree with the Dupes and Kuni contracts. Scuds too. Those are 3 big deals that are still hurting the team. You can't tie guys up in their late 30's.

They won a cup with Staal, but a F would have been preferable. Okposo was on the board and he would still be on the team. Then with 2 1st rounders he takes Maata and DP. Terrible, had to take a F with one of those. Outside of Maata, none of his D picks have turned out "yet".

He should have kept Staal and moved 71 when his contract was up. The haul would have been enormous and they had complete control over him. It would have been ballsy but thats what your paid to do. Not just keep the "gang" together from yesterdays success.
- sammy87

He was a decent gm... former post said b+... I go b or b-. Rmember Shero had the same weight on his neck that GMJR has now... Super Mario. Kovelev was all Mario. Staal wasnt willing to stay so that is moot. Shero kept the core together and the pens have made the playoffs and been a contender in some of them based on that core. Be real interesting to see how he does in Jersey with a tougher challenge

He didn't really build the cup team though. That was in place before him. The Hossa trade was great, Kuni trade was great as well.

I think it was an error to run the same team in 10'. No major changes.

11' the team was broken and Kovalav and Poni? Come on.

12' team just wasnt that good and couldn't play D.

I dont agree with the Dupes and Kuni contracts. Scuds too. Those are 3 big deals that are still hurting the team. You can't tie guys up in their late 30's.

They won a cup with Staal, but a F would have been preferable. Okposo was on the board and he would still be on the team. Then with 2 1st rounders he takes Maata and DP. Terrible, had to take a F with one of those. Outside of Maata, none of his D picks have turned out "yet".

He should have kept Staal and moved 71 when his contract was up. The haul would have been enormous and they had complete control over him. It would have been ballsy but thats what your paid to do. Not just keep the "gang" together from yesterdays success.
- sammy87

Come on now?

He acquired Gill, Eaton, Boucher, Guerin, Kunitz, Feds, Cooke, Satan, Duper, Adams on the '09 team. That 1/2 a Cup winning team.

Easil the fellas, you're both morons, there ya be lads.

He was a decent gm... former post said b+... I go b or b-. Rmember Shero had the same weight on his neck that GMJR has now... Super Mario. Kovelev was all Mario. Staal wasnt willing to stay so that is moot. Shero kept the core together and the pens have made the playoffs and been a contender in some of them based on that core. Be real interesting to see how he does in Jersey with a tougher challenge
- ChrisMS

71 signed his mega deal while Staal still had time left. Staal saw that has being a 3C for at least 5 years min....I dont blame him for wanting out. Had he had the opportunity to be a 2C here I think he would stay.

Come on now?

He acquired Gill, Eaton, Boucher, Guerin, Kunitz, Feds, Cooke, Satan, Duper, Adams on the '09 team. That 1/2 a Cup winning team.
- 87_71_11_29

In perspective though. No body wanted Feds or Satan. He got stuck with them because he waited forever on Hossa to make a decision. By doing that he lost Malone too. Forgot about Guerin, that was a good pickup, but again he rode him again the next year and he fizzled out. Duper was part of the Hossa deal, but a huge mistake to lock him up till he's 38. I mentioned Kuni, but the team was in 10th place by then.

Did anyone really think that team was a cup contender? I think thats what made those 2 years so exciting. Now its expected that they can contend. Then 87, 71, 11, 58 were just kids.

Paul Martin was a waste of 5Mill per year. Brian Dumolin will be more than a bottom 6 guy in the future. Rob Scuderi should be given to Ray Shero as a going away present. That is the least he could do in order to get the Devils job. Good riddance to all of the above mentioned.

71 signed his mega deal while Staal still had time left. Staal saw that has being a 3C for at least 5 years min....I dont blame him for wanting out. Had he had the opportunity to be a 2C here I think he would stay.
- sammy87

Staal ain't NO number 2 center and will never be one. I hope he enjoyed the playoff time here cause there won't be any in Carolina for a looonnnnng time

In perspective though. No body wanted Feds or Satan. He got stuck with them because he waited forever on Hossa to make a decision. By doing that he lost Malone too. Forgot about Guerin, that was a good pickup, but again he rode him again the next year and he fizzled out. Duper was part of the Hossa deal, but a huge mistake to lock him up till he's 38. I mentioned Kuni, but the team was in 10th place by then.

Did anyone really think that team was a cup contender? I think thats what made those 2 years so exciting. Now its expected that they can contend. Then 87, 71, 11, 58 were just kids.
- sammy87

Hossa didn't cost the team Malone... Tampa offered Malone silly money at the time, and 7 years.

Don't forget, everyone knows the Pens are horrible on wings(except for Hornqvist) and what player did Shero pass up in the draft? Local kid Brandon Saad. How nice he would have looked on the first line of the Pens!

Who did they draft instead? Joe Morrow who was traded for aging Brenden Morrow!

In perspective though. No body wanted Feds or Satan. He got stuck with them because he waited forever on Hossa to make a decision. By doing that he lost Malone too. Forgot about Guerin, that was a good pickup, but again he rode him again the next year and he fizzled out. Duper was part of the Hossa deal, but a huge mistake to lock him up till he's 38. I mentioned Kuni, but the team was in 10th place by then.

Did anyone really think that team was a cup contender? I think thats what made those 2 years so exciting. Now its expected that they can contend. Then 87, 71, 11, 58 were just kids.
- sammy87

Does it really matter that he "got stuck with them?" I'm with 87_71_11_29.. the guy brought us a cup, and another finals appearance. I understand he made some mistakes at the end of his tenure.. but all in all, 2 appearances in the finals and 1 stanley cup.. and people are unhappy with what he did? I can understand being frustrated with where the Pens are now, but in back in 2008-2009... everyone was ecstatic with the job Shero did. Give the man his due. He did good things and bad things.. but without Shero, that cup may not have come to Pitt, ever.

Come on now?

He acquired Gill, Eaton, Boucher, Guerin, Kunitz, Feds, Cooke, Satan, Duper, Adams on the '09 team. That 1/2 a Cup winning team.
- 87_71_11_29

I agree with you. The people that don't want to give Shero credit for winning a cup winning team are completely out to lunch.

He didn't draft well, and made other mistakes, especially later in his tenure, but he essentially brought a gigantic improvement in professionalism of the organization from the Patrick era immediately upon his arrival(IIRC, there wasn't even high speed internet for the scouts or coaches under Patrick). He had a clearly stated mission and goal to win cups and made trades that consistently gave the Penguins a chance to win it all year in and year out. The team failed to win another cup under his guidance for a number of reasons: goaltending meltdowns, injuries to 87/71, and sometimes just bad luck, but I don't have any issue with what his approach was. He also didn't get in screaming matches with reporters or mismanage the cap to such an extent that the team had to dress 5 D for weeks on end.

71 signed his mega deal while Staal still had time left. Staal saw that has being a 3C for at least 5 years min....I dont blame him for wanting out. Had he had the opportunity to be a 2C here I think he would stay.
- sammy87

I doubt it. Two few staals here. he turned down the same offer from the pens. If he was concerned about placement in the lineup why sign such a long deal. got 6 mil to be number two in carolina, would have got 6 mil to be number three here. he'll be in his thirties when its said an done so its not about padding the stats for a bigger payday.

Don't forget, everyone knows the Pens are horrible on wings(except for Hornqvist) and what player did Shero pass up in the draft? Local kid Brandon Saad. How nice he would have looked on the first line of the Pens!

Who did they draft instead? Joe Morrow who was traded for aging Brenden Morrow!
- stevens87

Don't forget, everyone knows the Pens are horrible on wings(except for Hornqvist) and what player did Shero pass up in the draft? Local kid Brandon Saad. How nice he would have looked on the first line of the Pens?

Who did they draft instead? Joe Morrow who was traded for aging Brenden Morrow!
- stevens87

Can't we please let this Saad thing go? Yes, Shero missed him... so did a lot of teams. He played the two years prior to his draft year in Michigan, so it's not like he was hiding out at Blade Runners where no one else saw him play but Shero.

Saad is a good hockey player, and got in a good situation playing top six minutes in Chicago early in his career. Even if the Pens drafted him, they probably would have kept him in Wilkes-Barre while they dressed Tyler Kennedy, or put him on a 4th line with Joe Vitale as his center.

In perspective though. No body wanted Feds or Satan. He got stuck with them because he waited forever on Hossa to make a decision. By doing that he lost Malone too. Forgot about Guerin, that was a good pickup, but again he rode him again the next year and he fizzled out. Duper was part of the Hossa deal, but a huge mistake to lock him up till he's 38. I mentioned Kuni, but the team was in 10th place by then.

Did anyone really think that team was a cup contender? I think thats what made those 2 years so exciting. Now its expected that they can contend. Then 87, 71, 11, 58 were just kids.
- sammy87

Giving Malone the 7 year contract that TB did would have been idiotic.