Goldobin could prove me wrong. But he still looked ovewhelmed and overmatched. Not judging his talent, but judging by his beig "outsized" and his general need to "Think" about everything on the defensive side of the ice. He has improved in effort defensively from his Sarnia days, but you can tell by reaction times he has not built the muscle memory for that side of the game yet.

He needs to bulk up this offseason and drill drill drill in his own end of the rink the simple plays. No need to rush him to NHL level when he is clearly not ready. He is TINY and getting outmuscled all the time.

Karlsson on the top line is merely what that line needs. A Hard forechecker who can retrieve and get the puck to the Joe's and then go to the net. Yes, he is not really top 6 talent, but that is a requirement to make that line tick. Burnzie was so effective with Jumbo for that reason, albeit at a higher level than anything Karlsson can bring. And I want to keep Burnzie on defense, soooooo unless we go out and pick up another mucking forechecker who does those things, that line needs that particular gear to spin Even if it is a size too small for the frame.

Know any mucking tenacious forecheckers who go to the net available via trade?
- j0e Th0rnton

That's how Mirco was too when he got his AHL call up. He hit the weights hard and put on 30 pounds. Expect the same for Goldobin. His agent is the professor, and he knows what the kid needs to do to get ready. Let's not write anyone off until training camp, okay? In the meantime though we should be looking for alternative options. We want people to compete for those top 6 not have just enough to cover the 6 spots. I think this offseason will be good for Hertl. Although, I would like to see him sit out the World Championships to rest. I feel like he was spending half the season getting acclimated with what his new knee can and can't do. I expect him to be back to form next season again. Let's just pray to the hockey gods that he stays healthy through the world championships.

Well if we had Oshie we would have a shootout specialist. He has beautiful mits. I would like the Sharks to upgrade in the following order.

1. New coach before draft.
2. The Draft. Trade up and get a high end D prospect, hell trade to get Hanifin.
3. Goalie
4. Move other pieces to complete forward group.
5. Return to form and become a dominate team again...
- BeastModeS62

Highly doubt we trade up it'll cost way to much, if anything we'll trade back & acquire more picks, we only have 2 picks inthe top 100 our 1st(9th), & 2nd(39th) rd picks.

oshie isn't going to come for free, even with the postseason(s) he's had recently. not sure the sharks are better off with him if they have to give up promising talent in return.
- hiway39

I agree and if we had a solid D core and goaltending I would say it's worth the price of admission. however, we don't. So I'm afraid it would be pushing resources towards the wrong part of the team.

Highly doubt we trade up it'll cost way to much, if anything we'll trade back & acquire more picks, we only have 2 picks inthe top 100 our 1st(9th), & 2nd(39th) rd picks.
- SJSharks39

I expect our 2nd second round pick next year to come into play at some point during this offseason.

Goldobin could prove me wrong. But he still looked ovewhelmed and overmatched. Not judging his talent, but judging by his beig "outsized" and his general need to "Think" about everything on the defensive side of the ice. He has improved in effort defensively from his Sarnia days, but you can tell by reaction times he has not built the muscle memory for that side of the game yet.

He needs to bulk up this offseason and drill drill drill in his own end of the rink the simple plays. No need to rush him to NHL level when he is clearly not ready. He is TINY and getting outmuscled all the time.

Karlsson on the top line is merely what that line needs. A Hard forechecker who can retrieve and get the puck to the Joe's and then go to the net. Yes, he is not really top 6 talent, but that is a requirement to make that line tick. Burnzie was so effective with Jumbo for that reason, albeit at a higher level than anything Karlsson can bring. And I want to keep Burnzie on defense, soooooo unless we go out and pick up another mucking forechecker who does those things, that line needs that particular gear to spin Even if it is a size too small for the frame.

Know any mucking tenacious forecheckers who go to the net available via trade?
- j0e Th0rnton

Goldobin- 5'11" 185

Tyler Johnson- 5'9" 182

Who is tiny? Btw who is leading the league in playoff scoring?

Yeah he could stand to add a couple lbs of muscle, but who is to say he won't by training camp?

He may or may not make the team out of camp, but if he doesn't he'll ride the same Sharks-Cuda shuttle as DeMelo, IMO.

Goldobin- 5'11" 185

Tyler Johnson- 5'9" 182

Who is tiny? Btw who is leading the league in playoff scoring?

Yeah he could stand to add a couple lbs of muscle, but who is to say he won't by training camp?

He may or may not make the team out of camp, but if he doesn't he'll ride the same Sharks-Cuda shuttle as DeMelo, IMO.
- Sharx1

Yeah, if it were up to some people. (not pointing fingers or ANYTHING) Martin St. Louis would have never played in the NHL either.

http://sharks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=765739

Ouch, you know you're a prospect when....

They misspell your name in the biggest article of your career. Congrats on making the Latvian team kid. Let's see how you do!

That's how Mirco was too when he got his AHL call up. He hit the weights hard and put on 30 pounds. Expect the same for Goldobin. His agent is the professor, and he knows what the kid needs to do to get ready. Let's not write anyone off until training camp, okay? In the meantime though we should be looking for alternative options. We want people to compete for those top 6 not have just enough to cover the 6 spots. I think this offseason will be good for Hertl. Although, I would like to see him sit out the World Championships to rest. I feel like he was spending half the season getting acclimated with what his new knee can and can't do. I expect him to be back to form next season again. Let's just pray to the hockey gods that he stays healthy through the world championships.
- IDtheJC

Yeah he is was an enormous player too @ 5'9" 170. Not saying any comparisons to Igor's play would be even remotely warranted or fair, only saying good things do come in small pkgs.

Goldobin- 5'11" 185

Tyler Johnson- 5'9" 182

Who is tiny? Btw who is leading the league in playoff scoring?

Yeah he could stand to add a couple lbs of muscle, but who is to say he won't by training camp?

He may or may not make the team out of camp, but if he doesn't he'll ride the same Sharks-Cuda shuttle as DeMelo, IMO.
- Sharx1

Hey, I get what you are saying. But those guys like StLouis and Johnson have learned to adapt and shine despite their size. Goldobin got muscled around like a freshman by high school seniors. The Lerg/Trupp/Goldobin line intrigued me but ultimately left me wanting, but I would rather go the Filip Forsberg route with him than rush him and burn a year from his ELC. I did not want to rush Mueller this season either.

It is not a mark against him. He is 19.

I expect our 2nd second round pick next year to come into play at some point during this offseason.
- IDtheJC

Not only ours, but we have Colorado's 2nd rounder in 2016 too.

I am hoping one of those 2nd's gets flipped for a goalie.

Hey, I get what you are saying. But those guys like StLouis and Johnson have learned to adapt and shine despite their size. Goldobin got muscled around like a freshman by high school seniors. The Lerg/Trupp/Goldobin line intrigued me but ultimately left me wanting, but I would rather go the Filip Forsberg route with him than rush him and burn a year from his ELC. I did not want to rush Mueller this season either.

It is not a mark against him. He is 19.
- j0e Th0rnton

I hear ya. However, that's the name of the game. When they come from Juniors to the AHL/NHL they have to adjust to the physicality of the league. Especially if they don't have the size of Tomas Hertl. He came in and could handle the contact because he's a monster, but remember the same thing happened to Pavelski and Couture too. They worked through it and Goldobin will have a chance to do that too. Same with Mirco. Remember too that we'll have a new coach and a new game plan for our franchise and team. So it'll be interesting to see how the prospects factor into that plan.

Not only ours, but we have Colorado's 2nd rounder in 2016 too.

I am hoping one of those 2nd's gets flipped for a goalie.
- j0e Th0rnton

Yeah that's why I said our 2nd second round pick. Having the extra top 60 pick is a nice commodity for a really good player.

Yeah that's why I said our 2nd second round pick. Having the extra top 60 pick is a nice commodity for a really good player.
- IDtheJC

ahhh. I misread it lol.

Hey, I get what you are saying. But those guys like StLouis and Johnson have learned to adapt and shine despite their size. Goldobin got muscled around like a freshman by high school seniors. The Lerg/Trupp/Goldobin line intrigued me but ultimately left me wanting, but I would rather go the Filip Forsberg route with him than rush him and burn a year from his ELC. I did not want to rush Mueller this season either.

It is not a mark against him. He is 19.
- j0e Th0rnton

Understood, & Johnson did spend some time in the "A" & is 24. That doesn't change the fact that he gave a very strong showing last yr in camp as an 18 yr. old. It's not like he's Vlasic as far as being a starting d as a 19yr. Old which is amazing, but I do think he has the skill set to get some ice time in the bigs.

Hey, I get what you are saying. But those guys like StLouis and Johnson have learned to adapt and shine despite their size. Goldobin got muscled around like a freshman by high school seniors. The Lerg/Trupp/Goldobin line intrigued me but ultimately left me wanting, but I would rather go the Filip Forsberg route with him than rush him and burn a year from his ELC. I did not want to rush Mueller this season either.

It is not a mark against him. He is 19.
- j0e Th0rnton

If Sharksfan48 was here he would echo these statments. You'l get him all ralled up saying Goldobin is a bust & will be inthe KHL & that DW sucks at drafting russian players yadda yadda yadda.

Jumbo you never want to be compared with Sharksfan48...........

No more negetive Goldobin talk........ok.

If Sharksfan48 was here he would echo these statments. You'l get him all ralled up saying Goldobin is a bust & will be inthe KHL & that DW sucks at drafting russian players yadda yadda yadda.

Jumbo you never want to be compared with Sharksfan48...........

No more negetive Goldobin talk........ok.
- SJSharks39

Just giving an honest appraisal of what I saw.

Nobody calling him a bust. Very few 19 year olds come make an immediate impact anyways. Just saying, don't burn a year of his ELC unless he is ready. ELC contracts are like gold in this cap era.

Understood, & Johnson did spend some time in the "A" & is 24. That doesn't change the fact that he gave a very strong showing last yr in camp as an 18 yr. old. It's not like he's Vlasic as far as being a starting d as a 19yr. Old which is amazing, but I do think he has the skill set to get some ice time in the bigs.
- Sharx1

Bolts just don't have Johnson as a bad ass little guy, Kucherov ain't to shabby either 5"11, 171lbs. Pretty much came straight from QMJHL tooks his lumps as a rookie last year at the age of 20 & had a pretty (frank)ing bad ass season this year.

Just giving an honest appraisal of what I saw.

Nobody calling him a bust. Very few 19 year olds come make an immediate impact anyways. Just saying, don't burn a year of his ELC unless he is ready. ELC contracts are like gold in this cap era.
- j0e Th0rnton

I hear ya but we won't know about Goldy until we see how he does in traing camp that's all....... to make assumptions now especially from his limited AHL time is just foolery.

Goldobin could prove me wrong. But he still looked ovewhelmed and overmatched. Not judging his talent, but judging by his beig "outsized" and his general need to "Think" about everything on the defensive side of the ice. He has improved in effort defensively from his Sarnia days, but you can tell by reaction times he has not built the muscle memory for that side of the game yet.

He needs to bulk up this offseason and drill drill drill in his own end of the rink the simple plays. No need to rush him to NHL level when he is clearly not ready. He is TINY and getting outmuscled all the time.

Karlsson on the top line is merely what that line needs. A Hard forechecker who can retrieve and get the puck to the Joe's and then go to the net. Yes, he is not really top 6 talent, but that is a requirement to make that line tick. Burnzie was so effective with Jumbo for that reason, albeit at a higher level than anything Karlsson can bring. And I want to keep Burnzie on defense, soooooo unless we go out and pick up another mucking forechecker who does those things, that line needs that particular gear to spin Even if it is a size too small for the frame.

Know any mucking tenacious forecheckers who go to the net available via trade?
- j0e Th0rnton

Not off the top of my head............but i know Beleskey is a UFA, & i know you think we have no shot but they haven't resigned him, & once he hits the open market it's fair game bro & (frank) the ducks would love to steal him away.

I hear ya but we won't know about Goldy until we see how he does in traing camp that's all....... to make assumptions now especially from his limited AHL time is just foolery.
- SJSharks39

Here is an unorthodox idea.

Since you like Bouwmeester somewhat and the Blues are looking for cap savings. What would you say to Bouwmeester + Oshie for Dillon + Nieto?

My comments on Bouwmeester aside, he is more of a true top 4 than Dillon at this point. Moves the puck better and COULD potentially get some of his offense back with some PP time. His PP time was cut a bit due to Shattenkirk + Pietrangelo emerging.

Dillon played on the top pairing in Dallas, but for whatever reason, does not seem the same in SJ under our system. He is relied upon as a top 4 for us in value, but is a fringe top 4. I only expect him to get a small raise to 2.5 million this season. If Mueller emerges stronger, Dillon gets bumped to bottom pair regardless.

Value is off obviously, but it gives the blues some cap wiggle room and young players with growing upside. While Bouwmeester is 30, he is only under contract for 1 more year at 5.4 Oshie age 27 for 2 more years at 4.5.

While giving us more stable options?

Dunno, just a crazy thought.

Not off the top of my head............but i know Beleskey is a UFA, & i know you think we have no shot but they haven't resigned him, & once he hits the open market it's fair game bro & (frank) the ducks would love to steal him away.
- SJSharks39

As far as go to the net forecheckers we still have Wingels. If the new coach decides the Jumbo line needs that he's one of the best in the biz at getting into those garbage goal areas and drawing Penalties.

As far as go to the net forecheckers we still have Wingels. If the new coach decides the Jumbo line needs that he's one of the best in the biz at getting into those garbage goal areas and drawing Penalties.
- IDtheJC

Maybe. Did not see him put on that line much this season. Karlsson just fit like a glove.

I am still against moving Hertl up until I get to see him with Tierney again
Those two just seemed to have undeniable chemistry

oshie isn't going to come for free, even with the postseason(s) he's had recently. not sure the sharks are better off with him if they have to give up promising talent in return.
- hiway39

Sharks have promising talent?

And cue the hate comments.....

now.

Here is an unorthodox idea.

Since you like Bouwmeester somewhat and the Blues are looking for cap savings. What would you say to Bouwmeester + Oshie for Dillon + Nieto?

My comments on Bouwmeester aside, he is more of a true top 4 than Dillon at this point. Moves the puck better and COULD potentially get some of his offense back with some PP time. His PP time was cut a bit due to Shattenkirk + Pietrangelo emerging.

Dillon played on the top pairing in Dallas, but for whatever reason, does not seem the same in SJ under our system. He is relied upon as a top 4 for us in value, but is a fringe top 4. I only expect him to get a small raise to 2.5 million this season. If Mueller emerges stronger, Dillon gets bumped to bottom pair regardless.

Value is off obviously, but it gives the blues some cap wiggle room and young players with growing upside. While Bouwmeester is 30, he is only under contract for 1 more year at 5.4 Oshie age 27 for 2 more years at 4.5.

While giving us more stable options?

Dunno, just a crazy thought.
- j0e Th0rnton

Dude, there is no way St Louis makes that trade. That would be an absolute fleecing by us and there would be 28 other better offers for that package in my opinion.

I would love JBo and TJ on our team, but it would take a whole hell of a lot to get those two in teal. Talking our first round pick this year as a starting point plus two roster players.

Here is an unorthodox idea.

Since you like Bouwmeester somewhat and the Blues are looking for cap savings. What would you say to Bouwmeester + Oshie for Dillon + Nieto?

My comments on Bouwmeester aside, he is more of a true top 4 than Dillon at this point. Moves the puck better and COULD potentially get some of his offense back with some PP time. His PP time was cut a bit due to Shattenkirk + Pietrangelo emerging.

Dillon played on the top pairing in Dallas, but for whatever reason, does not seem the same in SJ under our system. He is relied upon as a top 4 for us in value, but is a fringe top 4. I only expect him to get a small raise to 2.5 million this season. If Mueller emerges stronger, Dillon gets bumped to bottom pair regardless.

Value is off obviously, but it gives the blues some cap wiggle room and young players with growing upside. While Bouwmeester is 30, he is only under contract for 1 more year at 5.4 Oshie age 27 for 2 more years at 4.5.

While giving us more stable options?

Dunno, just a crazy thought.
- j0e Th0rnton

Dude, there is no way St Louis makes that trade. That would be an absolute fleecing by us and there would be 28 other better offers for that package in my opinion.

I would love JBo and TJ on our team, but it would take a whole hell of a lot to get those two in teal. Talking our first round pick this year as a starting point plus two roster players.