Wow, the stupidity/ absurdity of leafs nation. Made my day though. That's like trading an Aston Martin for 2 honda civics. Cut you're probably in to honda's too.
- Dcoms

we can't all drive 90's pick ups, chatham boy.

A deal between Toronto and Carolina does make sense. The east is weak and Carolina still has a few good players. Carolina could just as easily concede the season and begin their rebuild. Toronto would have to lose the trade in the SHORT TERM to make it work.
- joshs

fixed

we can't all drive 90's pick ups, chatham boy.
- Feeling Glucky?

How about 2011 Mustang convertibles? Or am I in select company?

That is essentially what it would take:

Phaneuf/Gardiner
Kadri/Bozak
Nylander
Reimer
Holland/Komarov
4th overall pick
25th overall pick

For

McGrezky (1st overall pick, lol)
Cap dumps (Pouliot/Purcell/Nikitin/Fayne)
-any or all of the above, Edmonton's call

With this kind of offer I would consider it if I was Edmonton but it isn't an easy decision by any means. The idea of having McDavid with that young core is so appealing.
- Steven_Dean

But, here's what it would actually take;

Nothing.

Edmonton will never trade that pick(even if Cliff Fletcher was the GM of the Oilers)

I like the idea of Phil being included to Carolina for the pick, however, as everyone else has stated, taking on Semin's albatross of a contract is taking a step back. Despite the fact I think the inclusion of Kadri in that trade is also an overpayment, the big factor for that trade is taking on Semin and his overpaid contract.

To shift topics for a second, as a Leafs fan, there's nothing more I'd like to see them do is trade Edmonton for the McJesus pick. However, we have to understand this is not going to happen. Not for us, or any other team in the league. So seeing proposal after proposal for the suggested future of hockey is getting to be a bit much.

In order to put it in perspective, check out the goods received by Quebec in the comparable Lindros trade. Keep in mind that this is pre-cap era so the players/contracts weren't as much of a issues, however also consider that Lindros publicly stated he did not want to play there ultimately putting Quebec under the gun to trade him and likely lessening the trade value. Anyways, here it is:

Big E

for

Steve Duchesne
Peter Forsberg
Ron Hextall
Kerry Huffman
Mike Ricci
$15M cash
1993 1st round pick (#10-Jocelyn Thibault)
Chris Simon
1994 1st round pick (#10-Nolan Baumgartner)

If I were to use Toronto comparables for the players (close as I could get based on the current roster), for this trade it would look something like:

Duchesne - 28-30 years old offensive dman - Phaneuf
Forsberg - high blue chip prospect - Nylander
Hextall - was a starter with previous decent stats however on downswing of career - Reimer
Huffman - 3rd line plugger good for about 20-30 points a season - Komarov
Ricci - young forward drafted #4 overall and put up big points in Jr. - Kadri
Simon - was only 20 years old tough guy with some scoring touch - Carrick

Obviously I had to work with the current roster and not all players are exact comparables, however this gives an idea of size of return what might be expected by Edmonton in addition to the 2 first round picks and cash. Pure craziness.
- JSC

LOL, if that was how the Leafs could do the deal, they would do it in a heartbeat. No way Edmonton would take the Lindros deal, even knowing how good Forsberg turned out (better than Nylander will ever be, by a mile)

I suggested

Nylander + Rielly + 1st 2015 + Nash first 2015, + 1st 2016

... and I doubt even that gets it done.

How about 2011 Mustang convertibles? Or am I in select company?
- Dcoms

No, lots of people use cars to compensate for their penis size.

LOL, if that was how the Leafs could do the deal, they would do it in a heartbeat. No way Edmonton would take the Lindros deal, even knowing how good Forsberg turned out (better than Nylander will ever be, by a mile)

I suggested

Nylander + Rielly + 1st 2015 + Nash first 2015, + 1st 2016

... and I doubt even that gets it done.
- Aetherial

We could add any name into the deal, but Edmonton will reject everything

He's still a chubby little muskrat, pouter, quitter that can't play defense.
- Dcoms

yes..but he would score you 40-50 goals on a good line

yes..but he would score you 40-50 goals on a good line
- Daddichronic

LOL...so i guess

Mario Lemieux WOULD have beaten gretzkys record if he played that full season
Lindros WOULD have been the best player ever if he never got hurt?

i can go on and on. I'll say this to you - you put chubby on a defensive team like LA and even though he's playing with say kopitar, there is a structure there and responsibility. in toronto, it was all run and gun offense so kessel thrived. i bet his numbers would go down on most teams where they play hockey, not shinny

How about 2011 Mustang convertibles? Or am I in select company?
- Dcoms

We could add any name into the deal, but Edmonton will reject everything
- PatC80

yeah I think so also.

everything you say is valid. we just view it completely different.

1) going for a rebuild, i'd like to get an asset that is the same age/in that ball park as the nylanders, our 4th pick, rielly etc so in 5 years when we are decent (hopefully) they all grow together in their prime. Not with a 33/34 year old kessel. This goes back to your 'most teams have more than 1 elite player' comment.

2) the 2nd line player was hypothetical. And a 2nd line player in his prime, would be better than an over the hill kessel type player IMO. But again, that's worst case scenario

3)i will fully say no one knows where this will end up. However, unless it's jagr, ray whitney and a handfull of others, most scorers don't play that long. it's the role players etc who usually do. THe veteran leaders.
- clark_griswold

I see what you mean here it would nice to see a team develop just all young players but the fact of the matter is you still need those veterans. Your right he won't be an elite player in top 10 scoring at that age but majority of teams that win cups have a former veteran elite player on their teams. I still think he'll produce at a 25 goal rate at that age (I'm talking 35 years old here not 40 lol) Pretty good 2nd liner IMO. There are many ways to acquire yound elite talent. In fact with this trade that EK is rumoring we don't really acquire that potential back. Don't get me wrong I think Crouse has potential to be a Lucic type at best key word "potential". I just think we should expect more back if we trade a top player like Kessel. We can take our time trading him and find the right deal. This guy is still under contract for a long time he's not a FA. I personally think Kessel gets a bad rep because he doesn't like being the center of attention. For this reason he is consider a bad leader and role model? Ron Wilson proved that he does care and has a lot of heart as much as this was not what he intended. Do you think a player getting pissed off at himself and irritable doesn't care about how he performs? I'd be more concern if he didn't have any emotion towards his bad play. He may not be the best leader but I also don't believe he's a problem in the dressing room. Who knows thou I'm not there lol.

I see what you mean here it would nice to see a team develop just all young players but the fact of the matter is you still need those veterans. Your right he won't be an elite player in top 10 scoring at that age but majority of teams that win cups have a former veteran elite player on their teams. I still think he'll produce at a 25 goal rate at that age (I'm talking 35 years old here not 40 lol) Pretty good 2nd liner IMO. There are many ways to acquire yound elite talent. In fact with this trade that EK is rumoring we don't really acquire that potential back. Don't get me wrong I think Crouse has potential to be a Lucic type at best key word "potential". I just think we should expect more back if we trade a top player like Kessel. We can take our time trading him and find the right deal. This guy is still under contract for a long time he's not a FA. I personally think Kessel gets a bad rep because he doesn't like being the center of attention. For this reason he is consider a bad leader and role model? Ron Wilson proved that he does care and has a lot of heart as much as this was not what he intended. Do you think a player getting pissed off at himself and irritable doesn't care about how he performs? I'd be more concern if he didn't have any emotion towards his bad play. He may not be the best leader but I also don't believe he's a problem in the dressing room. Who knows thou I'm not there lol.
- bmoney411

the 5th pick should be marner. So that changes everything with crouse. Kessel is not the ideal teammate; i'm not there either, but when there's that much smoke, there's fire.

Also, he isn't the veteran i want leading my youngsters. Like it or not, hockey players are drawn to their best player. That's kessel. When he isn't backchecking or trying, or is the first guy off the ice every practice (numerous ppl have said this), then that's not the example i set.

There's a reason he's usually rated in the 40s of the top 50 players in the league list from sources like TSN and the hockey news. He's too one dimensional. And that was before his crap season!!!

Three way deal.

Edmonton
4th Overall
5th Overall

Toronto
1st Overall

Carolina
Kessel
Bozak


- KesselRules

I am an Oiler fan and i approve! A generational talent for two second tier maybe's... Yes Please!

But seriously, I think the Oil might have to take on Horton's contract to even out the deal a little.

the 5th pick should be marner. So that changes everything with crouse. Kessel is not the ideal teammate; i'm not there either, but when there's that much smoke, there's fire.

Also, he isn't the veteran i want leading my youngsters. Like it or not, hockey players are drawn to their best player. That's kessel. When he isn't backchecking or trying, or is the first guy off the ice every practice (numerous ppl have said this), then that's not the example i set.

There's a reason he's usually rated in the 40s of the top 50 players in the league list from sources like TSN and the hockey news. He's too one dimensional. And that was before his crap season!!!
- clark_griswold

Ya I'll give you that he's still not the best veteran. By the time Kessel is veteran thou I really hope he's not our best player. If he is we have failed at our rebuild and nothing would matter then... Dudas ranks Crouse over Marner this leads me to believe he would take Crouse over Marner if he has the chance.

Ya I'll give you that he's still not the best veteran. By the time Kessel is veteran thou I really hope he's not our best player. If he is we have failed at our rebuild and nothing would matter then... Dudas ranks Crouse over Marner this leads me to believe he would take Crouse over Marner if he has the chance.
- bmoney411

i hope not.

LOL, if that was how the Leafs could do the deal, they would do it in a heartbeat. No way Edmonton would take the Lindros deal, even knowing how good Forsberg turned out (better than Nylander will ever be, by a mile)

I suggested

Nylander + Rielly + 1st 2015 + Nash first 2015, + 1st 2016

... and I doubt even that gets it done.
- Aetherial

That probably gets turned down in principle, but make no mistake...that is a HUGE over-payment.

LOL...so i guess

Mario Lemieux WOULD have beaten gretzkys record if he played that full season
Lindros WOULD have been the best player ever if he never got hurt?

i can go on and on. I'll say this to you - you put chubby on a defensive team like LA and even though he's playing with say kopitar, there is a structure there and responsibility. in toronto, it was all run and gun offense so kessel thrived. i bet his numbers would go down on most teams where they play hockey, not shinny
- clark_griswold

I dunno...it seems to me that structured teams are better at scoring than teams like the Leafs. Especially if they actually have a 1C.

Eric Staal - Elias Lindholm - Phil Kessel
Jeff Skinner- Jordan Staal - Nazem Kadri
Nathan Gerbe- Victor Rask- Chris Terry
Brad Malone- Jay McClement - Brock McGinn

Justin Faulk - Ron Hainsey
Ryan Murphy - Haydn Fleury
J.M. Liles - Michal Jordan

Cam Ward
Anton Khudobin

- Aetherial

Eric Staal - Elias Lindholm - Phil Kessel
Jeff Skinner- Jordan Staal - Nazem Kadri
Nathan Gerbe- Victor Rask- Chris Terry
Brad Malone- Jay McClement - Brock McGinn

Justin Faulk - Ron Hainsey
Ryan Murphy - Haydn Fleury
J.M. Liles - Michal Jordan

Cam Ward
Anton Khudobin
- BINGO!

At least one of Skinner/Rask/Fleury would need to go back to the Leafs in that deal.

At least one of Skinner/Rask/Fleury would need to go back to the Leafs in that deal.
- Feeling Glucky?

One would think, but I'm just going based on exactly what Ek wrote because the things he reports are always correct, yes?

One would think, but I'm just going based on exactly what Ek wrote because the things he reports are always correct, yes?
- BINGO!

This makes me afraid

Eric Staal - Elias Lindholm - Phil Kessel
Jeff Skinner- Jordan Staal - Nazem Kadri
Nathan Gerbe- Victor Rask- Chris Terry
Brad Malone- Jay McClement - Brock McGinn

Justin Faulk - Ron Hainsey
Ryan Murphy - Haydn Fleury
J.M. Liles - Michal Jordan

Cam Ward
Anton Khudobin
- BINGO!

So tempting

But, here's what it would actually take;

Nothing.

Edmonton will never trade that pick(even if Cliff Fletcher was the GM of the Oilers)
- PatC80

Agreed. I mean McDavid should be moved if a ridiculous package is offered but no one will give up every valuable asset for one player. No matter who that player is. I mean look at Washington, Ovechkin alone is not enough to win championships.

Still though Edmonton has a young core that with McDavid can look very good for a very long time.