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tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Apr 29 @ 12:20 PM ET
If anyone hasn't read it yet check out the eulogy for the Blues.

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...ouis-blues-210808537.html

And the Preds eulogy by Fels and the CI boys was simply classic!

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...-predators-205020219.html
Nharris31
Joined: 09.18.2013

Apr 29 @ 12:20 PM ET
But understand, Timonen will play 10 minutes or less, and he will be sheltered. The bulk of the minutes will go to the Top 4, Rozsival next, followed distantly by Timonen.

Some member of the top 4 will be out there at all times. A top 4 pair probably 40-45 minutes of the game. And I know it's been said—and probably heard outside Chicago with a certain amount of skepticism—but Oduya and Hjalmarsson are like having a second top pair, or a "1B pair," in terms of their ability to go out and stop an opponent's top line. They've done, it, regular season and playoffs, for a few years now.

So, ASSUMING the Hawks' top 4 stays healthy and doesn't run out of gas, there is no clear matchup advantage to Yeo. If there is an injury, whole different story.

If not, then the matchup pressure is on Yeo, because he has to find some way to split up Brodin and Suter (probably) to stop Toews line and Kane's line.

I just don't think Spurgeon and Scandella give him as many options as Hjalmarsson a nd Oduya do for Q. And i don't think the Wild's offensive threats are quite as deep and diverse as the Hawks.

- John Jaeckel
The only defensive pair Mike Yeo tries to protect is third pair he even trusts Scandella and Spurgeon more than Suter and Brodin sometimes.

You don't know much about the wild.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Apr 29 @ 12:24 PM ET
Agree. Panarin I see as more of a Sharp replacement. Maybe Versteeg. SHaw hopefully goes nowhere. I think we have seen what he does for this team since the last month of the RS. Heart and sole player. If Shaw does go it will because they see Hartman or Ross as his fill in.... I don't think Hartman skates as well as SHaw and haven't seen much of Ross this year.
- tredbrta


Shaw at wing is a completely different player. Tremendously effective. At center he isn't as good. Nice to have that versatility but yea.

If they can sign this guy then they probably should. Reloading with an adult that has played in a professional league with a high degree of success is a better alternative to rushing a 20 or 21 year old from Rockford in my opinion.

Also, allows them to move some other guys and say "hey we tried really hard and got this dude that everyone thought was going to be awesome so you cant toss us under the bus"

And finally, if they get him and move TT + proven asset for a higher 1st round pick and grab the other Strome then holy balls. Get cheaper, bigger and faster. If it is the delusional world I live in they also move Crow for Thornton straight up and Big Dylan can learn from Jumbo Joe how to play the game like a dominating force.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Apr 29 @ 12:25 PM ET
The only defensive pair Mike Yeo tries to protect is third pair he even trusts Scandella and Spurgeon more than Suter and Brodin sometimes.

You don't know much about the wild.

- Nharris31


Kane vs not Suter is an excellent match-up
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Apr 29 @ 12:35 PM ET
Shaw at wing is a completely different player. Tremendously effective. At center he isn't as good. Nice to have that versatility but yea.

If they can sign this guy then they probably should. Reloading with an adult that has played in a professional league with a high degree of success is a better alternative to rushing a 20 or 21 year old from Rockford in my opinion.

Also, allows them to move some other guys and say "hey we tried really hard and got this dude that everyone thought was going to be awesome so you cant toss us under the bus"

And finally, if they get him and move TT + proven asset for a higher 1st round pick and grab the other Strome then holy balls. Get cheaper, bigger and faster. If it is the delusional world I live in they also move Crow for Thornton straight up and Big Dylan can learn from Jumbo Joe how to play the game like a dominating force.

- fattybeef


Not sure this can happen now. Strome looks like he will pick 3 or 4.

Agree though that Panarim is a solid add over the younger kids. I will not discount those youtube vids as, unlike Rundlblad, they are current. This kid would have been the KHLs leading scorer easily over Radulov if not for injury. Outscored big money Kovalchuk as well on his own team. He is NHL ready.
Nharris31
Joined: 09.18.2013

Apr 29 @ 12:39 PM ET
Kane vs not Suter is an excellent match-up
- fattybeef
Ok be careful what you wish for.
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Apr 29 @ 12:40 PM ET


I still can't believe we traded Rundblad and got Tarasenko.....


- carcus


It is important to find solace in small victories in times of great loss.

Weren't the Blues also back to back Central Division champs?

Celebrate, and be consoled.....


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z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Apr 29 @ 12:43 PM ET
Did the Hawks sign that kid from the KHL?
mrploves33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.26.2014

Apr 29 @ 12:52 PM ET
Did the Hawks sign that kid from the KHL?
- z1990z



Yes
mrploves33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.26.2014

Apr 29 @ 12:52 PM ET
It is important to find solace in small victories in times of great loss.

Weren't the Blues also back to back Central Division champs?

Celebrate, and be consoled.....


This message brought to you by Hallmark.

- tredbrta




Lol
mrploves33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.26.2014

Apr 29 @ 12:52 PM ET
It is important to find solace in small victories in times of great loss.

Weren't the Blues also back to back Central Division champs?

Celebrate, and be consoled.....


This message brought to you by Hallmark.

- tredbrta




Lol
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Apr 29 @ 12:57 PM ET
Yes
- mrploves33



Just looked him up on you tube. Wow.. Throw him in with Baun and the other top prospectcs, Hawks may not miss a beat next year. Will be a tougher/more physical team for sure. With the cap issues and having to get 20 on a new deal, might see 65 gone along with 10 and 29. In any event, looks like a great signing along with this Baun kid who looked damn good in the few games he got this year.
BreakoutHockey
Location: Chicago area, IL
Joined: 06.12.2012

Apr 29 @ 1:10 PM ET
Just looked him up on you tube. Wow.. Throw him in with Baun and the other top prospectcs, Hawks may not miss a beat next year. Will be a tougher/more physical team for sure. With the cap issues and having to get 20 on a new deal, might see 65 gone along with 10 and 29. In any event, looks like a great signing along with this Baun kid who looked damn good in the few games he got this year.
- z1990z


Don't forget Tanner Kero as well - on almost a goal per game pace since he got assigned to Rockford.
Chinaski
Minnesota Wild
Location: Lakeville, MN
Joined: 04.10.2007

Apr 29 @ 1:11 PM ET
If not, then the matchup pressure is on Yeo, because he has to find some way to split up Brodin and Suter (probably) to stop Toews line and Kane's line.

I just don't think Spurgeon and Scandella give him as many options as Hjalmarsson a nd Oduya do for Q. And i don't think the Wild's offensive threats are quite as deep and diverse as the Hawks.

- John Jaeckel

I don't think he will split Suter and Brodin to make sure one of them is always out against Toews or Kane. But it's possible. I just think from a complete game standpoint, Suter and Scandella are their best guys so they already have a good split.

I think Yeo does trust Scandella and Spurgeon enough to keep them together. Spurgeon can be a liability if the Hawks have extended offensive zone time and start getting chances in the middle of the ice. But so can Brodin.

The reality is that the Wild forwards have to be an integral part of the defense - it's basically what makes guys like Spurgeon and Brodin so effective. The Wild D isn't built to take the puck away from a cycling team, so they have to limit speed and disrupt entries so they can use the mobility of their blueliners to retrieve and breakout quickly. If that doesn't happen and Chicago has a lot of offensive zone possession, their skill will likely take advantage.
BreakoutHockey
Location: Chicago area, IL
Joined: 06.12.2012

Apr 29 @ 1:11 PM ET
On other Panarin-related note: Don't fall for the "KHL is a no-hit league" garbage you might hear from people. The KHL playoffs were a war this year - the SKA-CSKA Conference Final in particular. Panarin's level of play went up as the intensity rose.
MartiniMan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Joined: 10.01.2006

Apr 29 @ 1:14 PM ET
Yes
- mrploves33


Link?
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Apr 29 @ 1:20 PM ET
Agree. Panarin I see as more of a Sharp replacement. Maybe Versteeg. SHaw hopefully goes nowhere. I think we have seen what he does for this team since the last month of the RS. Heart and sole player. If Shaw does go it will because they see Hartman or Ross as his fill in.... I don't think Hartman skates as well as SHaw and haven't seen much of Ross this year.
- tredbrta


Tomato-TomAHto. Hartman is pretty good skater, maybe level below Shaw but he is also about 10-15 lbs heavier so his checks "resonate" better. He is also a high draft pick and a guy that plays the same game as Shaw. Oh and he's about 1.25 million cheaper.

I'm not a Shaw hater. I think he's a great role player but fact is that you don't draft guys like Hartman, who are relatively ready, to have them fester in the AHL while you struggle with a cap crunch.
BearsnHawks
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: TX
Joined: 07.01.2012

Apr 29 @ 1:21 PM ET
Link?
- MartiniMan


About 5 youtube videos linked on page 13 of the blog
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Apr 29 @ 1:22 PM ET
But understand, Timonen will play 10 minutes or less, and he will be sheltered. The bulk of the minutes will go to the Top 4, Rozsival next, followed distantly by Timonen.

Some member of the top 4 will be out there at all times. A top 4 pair probably 40-45 minutes of the game. And I know it's been said—and probably heard outside Chicago with a certain amount of skepticism—but Oduya and Hjalmarsson are like having a second top pair, or a "1B pair," in terms of their ability to go out and stop an opponent's top line. They've done, it, regular season and playoffs, for a few years now.

So, ASSUMING the Hawks' top 4 stays healthy and doesn't run out of gas, there is no clear matchup advantage to Yeo. If there is an injury, whole different story.

If not, then the matchup pressure is on Yeo, because he has to find some way to split up Brodin and Suter (probably) to stop Toews line and Kane's line.

I just don't think Spurgeon and Scandella give him as many options as Hjalmarsson a nd Oduya do for Q. And i don't think the Wild's offensive threats are quite as deep and diverse as the Hawks.

- John Jaeckel


This. If I am Yeo then I am playing a game that stretches the Hawks up and down to wear these 4 out. Makes me nervous.
MartiniMan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Joined: 10.01.2006

Apr 29 @ 1:23 PM ET
About 5 youtube videos linked on page 13 of the blog
- BearsnHawks


The question asking for a link was about whether he signed. Not about his highlight reel.

I haven't seen anything official from the team about his signing, just speculation.
CanOCorn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The OP, IL
Joined: 04.03.2013

Apr 29 @ 1:32 PM ET
The question asking for a link was about whether he signed. Not about his highlight reel.

I haven't seen anything official from the team about his signing, just speculation.

- MartiniMan


I think they've agreed, but it isn't "official." NBC Sports wrote Elliotte Friedman broke it and corroborated by The Hockey News and SKA St. Petersburg.

See: http://www.nbcchicago.com...em-Panarin-301702421.html

My guess is they won't announce until after the Blackhawks win the Cup.

#seewhatIdidthere
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Apr 29 @ 1:32 PM ET
Don't forget Tanner Kero as well - on almost a goal per game pace since he got assigned to Rockford.
- BreakoutHockey


So of all the prospects we've signed or have already..... Hartman, McNeil, Baun, Kero, Paliotta, Johns, DaNault... who makes the team next year? I would imagine that 203 spots will open up at Forward and 1-2 in the D corps but also CANT imagine Bowman filling in all those spots with rookies.....
BearsnHawks
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: TX
Joined: 07.01.2012

Apr 29 @ 1:40 PM ET
Tomato-TomAHto. Hartman is pretty good skater, maybe level below Shaw but he is also about 10-15 lbs heavier so his checks "resonate" better. He is also a high draft pick and a guy that plays the same game as Shaw. Oh and he's about 1.25 million cheaper.

I'm not a Shaw hater. I think he's a great role player but fact is that you don't draft guys like Hartman, who are relatively ready, to have them fester in the AHL while you struggle with a cap crunch.

- Bjm84


Forwards who are currently under contract:

Will stay in Chicago: Toews, Kane, Hossa, TT

May get moved: Versteeg, Shaw

Probably will get moved: Sharp, Bickell

RFA's: Kruger, Saad, Nordstrom

UFA's: Vermette, Richards, Desjardins, Carcillo


I have a feeling we will re-sign Desjardins, Saad, Nordstrom, and Kruger.

That leaves us with 4 open forward spots if we trade only Sharp and Bickell. The Hawks may trade Versteeg, Shaw, and/or Nordstrom leaving the Hawks with 3-6 forward spots open.

Forwards that could make the team next year: McNeil, Danault, Hartman, Kero, Baun, Carey, and Panarin. I also could see the Hawks bringing a UFA vet or three that Q will over value and make the team over them.

The good news is that McNeil, Danault, Baun, and Hartman still have 1+ years on their ELC so none will be waiver eligible (Hartman still has two years).

We may see a Rockford shuffle with some of these guys sort of like what we saw with Nordy this year.
Marlowe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wild Wild West, IL
Joined: 06.29.2014

Apr 29 @ 1:44 PM ET
I think they've agreed, but it isn't "official." NBC Sports wrote Elliotte Friedman broke it and corroborated by The Hockey News and SKA St. Petersburg.

See: http://www.nbcchicago.com...em-Panarin-301702421.html

My guess is they won't announce until after the Blackhawks win the Cup.

#seewhatIdidthere

- CanOCorn


Found a page on the Hawks website last night (still up) that lists Panarin as a 2015 prospect: http://blackhawks.nhl.com...ftprospect.htm?dpid=66432
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Apr 29 @ 1:45 PM ET
Forwards who are currently under contract:

Will stay in Chicago: Toews, Kane, Hossa, TT

May get moved: Versteeg, Shaw

Probably will get moved: Sharp, Bickell


RFA's: Kruger, Saad, Nordstrom

UFA's: Vermette, Richards, Desjardins, Carcillo


I have a feeling we will re-sign Desjardins, Saad, Nordstrom, and Kruger.

That leaves us with 4 open forward spots if we trade only Sharp and Bickell. The Hawks may trade Versteeg, Shaw, and/or Nordstrom leaving the Hawks with 3-6 forward spots open.

Forwards that could make the team next year: McNeil, Danault, Hartman, Kero, Baun, Carey, and Panarin. I also could see the Hawks bringing a UFA vet or three that Q will over value and make the team over them.

The good news is that McNeil, Danault, Baun, and Hartman still have 1+ years on their ELC so none will be waiver eligible (Hartman still has two years).

We may see a Rockford shuffle with some of these guys sort of like what we saw with Nordy this year.

- BearsnHawks


Don't forget about the possibility that Crawford is moved.

Also, I would wager that of the potential Versteeg, Sharp, Bickell, Shaw trades, a roster player and or two would definitely come back. If nothing else, just to make the money work for other teams.

If I am blowman I am looking for depth size and speed to role play and bang, basically what Bickell never was. I would also take a good long look at UFA Carl Soderberg to slot in at 2C. TT is not an NHL center for the Chicago Blackhawks and we don't have anyone else after Richards leaves.


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