Meh..


- jochfr

need to find the same giff with the hampster stuck too the wheel and spinning around.

I honestly hope they keep it but only if they can get Kylington. Prior to the season he was the clear cut #4 guy. He got injured and as we all know many times an injury lingers. If you can walk out of this draft with the #2 and #4 guy prior to the season, you do it.

He's not very good in his own end but you can't tell me you wouldn't take an Erik Karlsson type guy back there. Risto, Pysyk, Zads, Kylington has the makings of a hell of a top 4.
- dadeadhead

We lack a guy on the backend that has that high offensive ceiling. Add one of those into the current group and you've got yourself a blueline that will give other teams fits for years to come.

Tell me how, exactly we swung for the Fences? The trade evens out to this:

Myers, Armia for Bogozian

Stafford (UFA), Lemeuix(Wouldn't sign), 1st for Kane

I'm not gonna lie, your love-fest for Myers is getting old. Equal your "show where Kane has become a 30-goal scorer again" shtick. There is absolutely no way a 24-year old 'foremer' 30-goal scoring power-forward doesn't put up 20+ a year on this team for the next few years, if he stays healthy. This isn't Drew Stafford.

Also, when Myers plays a full season in the Peg next year we will see their fans saying the EXACT same thing about him that we did. IDC how many points per game he put up when he was traded. And honestly, Winnipeg actually played worse after they subtracted Bogo for Myers. And he didn't look good at all in the playoffs, IMO. He looked timid, as he always does. Which, despite your best efforts to argue the opposite, is INEXCUSABLE for a guy his size. He doesn't have to fight or make big hits constantly, but he is flat out timid and for being the biggest guy on the ice 99% of the time, that's a damn crying shame.

And what is with this notion of keeping a late 1st pick at the off chance a player drafted there turns out to be a top-6 winger? You have just as much of a chance of drafting that player in rounds 2-7 see: Datsyuk, Pavel, Zetterberg, Henrik.
- DynamicThreads

There are so many things wrong with this.

Do you really believe that the odds in the 1st round are the same as in rounds 5 or 7?

Also, Winnipeg actually played better. They beat quite a few playoff teams down the stretch to make the postseason. St. Louis 2x, Detroit, Nashville, and a few others.

Also, If you don't think Bogosian has is issues with consistency, then it's probably amazing to you that Winnipeg moved him

We lack a guy on the backend that has that high offensive ceiling. Add one of those into the current group and you've got yourself a blueline that will give other teams fits for years to come.
- HonkFortheGoose

Been barking up that tree for two years now. It's glaring and I really hope it's addressed with someone not named JGL.

I have a little time, so I'll play along.

20th overall

1998 - Scott Parker. Bad
1999 - Barrett Heisten. Bad
2000 - Alexander Frolov. Froloaf
2001 - Marcel Goc. Def. not top 6
2002 - Daniel Paille. Enough said
2003 - Brent Burns. great
2004 - Travis Zajac. Average. Garbage draft.
2005 - Kenndal McArdle. Who?
2006 - David Fischer. Again. Who?
2007 - Angelo Esposito. lol
2008 - Michael Del Zotto. decent
2009 - Jacob Josefson. Bad
2010 - Beau Bennett. below avg
2011 - Connor Murphy. good
2012 - Scott Laughton. above avg
2013 - Anthony Mantha. we'll see. good prospect
2014 - Nick Schmaltz. good prospect

So let's see, besides '13 and '14, which guys would I want on the Sabres? Brent Burns, Connor Murphy and maybe a 23 year old Frolov. Laughton's not bad but I'd rather have Girgensons any day of the week. They're basically the same.

What the hell are you people getting so horny over? Chances are, 20th overall sucks.
- TheSabresTaco

Why not attempt to move up? Get into the top 15 if there is someone Murray really likes.

There are options.

Why not attempt to move up? Get into the top 15 if there is someone Murray really likes.

There are options.
- sbroads24

I wouldn't hate moving up. But I don't understand the whole 'we need to hold onto that pick' idea at 20th. Unless we're picking Claude Giroux, let's trade it to either move into 12-15 or get a guy ready to hit the NHL or has already been here for a couple years.

To end the season the Jets played 5 playoff teams in a row, and beat 4 of them. While without Byfuglien for 4 of them.

Yea, they got worse

Why not attempt to move up? Get into the top 15 if there is someone Murray really likes.

There are options.
- sbroads24

So give up another asset (draft pick or prospects) to move up 5 spots and still wait 3-5 years for that player to be NHL ready? Unless there is a player worth it to move up for that will be ready in 2-3 years then you move that pick for a NHL player or just stand pat.

So give up another asset (draft pick or prospects) to move up 5 spots and still wait 3-5 years for that player to be NHL ready? Unless there is a player worth it to move up for that will be ready in 2-3 years then you move that pick for a NHL player or just stand pat.
- Stripes77

Well sure. My first choice is to use it for a player nhl ready or a year at most out. my second choice is to grab someone with the highest ceiling possible, despite time to nhl. guys in the high first round are usually 3 years or less away.

Why not attempt to move up? Get into the top 15 if there is someone Murray really likes.

There are options.
- sbroads24

Because you're still waiting another 3 or 4 years for that player to have any kind of impact for your team. Do you really want to wait another 3 or 4 years before we might be relevant?

Besides, the majority of the pieces that we need are just about ready to compete now, it's just a matter of getting one or two to finish that off. They probably won't make the playoffs even making a move like that this season just because of the learning curve of the young guys we currently will have on the roster and bringing in a new (hopefully much better) coach.

But realistically, if Murray and bring in another top 6 winger by using that late 1st rounder this year, they're in much better shape and it lessens the curve. I can see the playoffs really being a possiblity in 16-17.

But, if you'd rather go the Regier route and hang on to everyone because of what you *might* end up losing out on, so be it.

So give up another asset (draft pick or prospects) to move up 5 spots and still wait 3-5 years for that player to be NHL ready? Unless there is a player worth it to move up for that will be ready in 2-3 years then you move that pick for a NHL player or just stand pat.
- Stripes77

Yes, when we are competing (hopefully) for the cup.

Also, we should be setting ourselves up for long term success. You guys are acting like we are building up for one cup run in a few years. It's hopefully going to be a decade+ of successful hockey. Guys leave via FA all the time. You need to have guys always developing when the time comes that they are needed.

Because you're still waiting another 3 or 4 years for that player to have any kind of impact for your team. Do you really want to wait another 3 or 4 years before we might be relevant?

Besides, the majority of the pieces that we need are just about ready to compete now, it's just a matter of getting one or two to finish that off. They probably won't make the playoffs even making a move like that this season just because of the learning curve of the young guys we currently will have on the roster and bringing in a new (hopefully much better) coach.

But realistically, if Murray and bring in another top 6 winger by using that late 1st rounder this year, they're in much better shape and it lessens the curve. I can see the playoffs really being a possiblity in 16-17.

But, if you'd rather go the Regier route and hang on to everyone because of what you *might* end up losing out on, so be it.
- HonkFortheGoose

I agree with this message.

Because you're still waiting another 3 or 4 years for that player to have any kind of impact for your team. Do you really want to wait another 3 or 4 years before we might be relevant?

Besides, the majority of the pieces that we need are just about ready to compete now, it's just a matter of getting one or two to finish that off. They probably won't make the playoffs even making a move like that this season just because of the learning curve of the young guys we currently will have on the roster and bringing in a new (hopefully much better) coach.

But realistically, if Murray and bring in another top 6 winger by using that late 1st rounder this year, they're in much better shape and it lessens the curve. I can see the playoffs really being a possiblity in 16-17.

But, if you'd rather go the Regier route and hang on to everyone because of what you *might* end up losing out on, so be it.
- HonkFortheGoose

I love when no context is used. Makes for great straw man arguments

Yes, when we are competing (hopefully) for the cup.

Also, we should be setting ourselves up for long term success. You guys are acting like we are building up for one cup run in a few years. It's hopefully going to be a decade+ of successful hockey. Guys leave via FA all the time. You need to have guys always developing when the time comes that they are needed.
- sbroads24

There is no way this team with the roster as it is will competing for a cup in 2-3 years, unless you add NHL pieces. The only way you do that is trades and free agency and we all know how well free agency helped Buffalo. As I have stated numerous times already you have pieces that should be ready in that 2-3 years in Bailey, Baptiste, Compher, Fasching. As you like to say why trade someone after spending time developing them? So trade the pick for a NHL player now that way you don't waste more time developing someone that might or might not make the NHL roster.

There is no way this team with the roster as it is will competing for a cup in 2-3 years, unless you add NHL pieces. The only way you do that is trades and free agency and we all know how well free agency helped Buffalo. As I have stated numerous times already you have pieces that should be ready in that 2-3 years in Bailey, Baptiste, Compher, Fasching. As you like to say why trade someone after spending time developing them? So trade the pick for a NHL player now that way you don't waste more time developing someone that might or might not make the NHL roster.
- Stripes77

Disagree. If their is a right fit, then explore it. Don't rush to mediocrity.

Yes, when we are competing (hopefully) for the cup.

Also, we should be setting ourselves up for long term success. You guys are acting like we are building up for one cup run in a few years. It's hopefully going to be a decade+ of successful hockey. Guys leave via FA all the time. You need to have guys always developing when the time comes that they are needed.
- sbroads24

I didnt realize a late first round pick and a 2nd or B prospect was going to completely dismantle out future.

best all around sabre since satan IMO
- homiedclown

Hold onto your hats:



Yes I went there.

I love when no context is used. Makes for great straw man arguments
- sbroads24

I love how you completely avoided the main part of that entire post. That tells me everything I need to know.

I didnt realize a late first round pick and a 2nd or B prospect was going to completely dismantle out future.
- ImThatGuy

I also didn't realize that someone like TJ Oshie or Ryan O'Reilly would either. It works both ways

I see people still want to trade our defense for forwards we don't need

I love how you completely avoided the main part of that entire post. That tells me everything I need to know.
- HonkFortheGoose

I read it. Don't agree with it.

There is a huge middle ground from where we are, to "wanting to be like Darcy"

Straw man arguments

I see people still want to trade our defense for forwards we don't need
- Herzeleid

For any forward too.

We need to get one this year otherwise they will never be available again

Disagree. If their is a right fit, then explore it. Don't rush to mediocrity.
- sbroads24

You're talking yourself in circles all day today. Cup contenders in 2-3 years? Don't want to give up the future (but talk about trading up which will cost picks or prospects). Rush into mediocrity?

It's pretty simple

If you stand pat or trade up you are still waiting at least 3 years for that player to MAYBE make an impact. If you are trading up you're still giving up an asset.

If you trade the pick and a prospect for a NHL player you are getting a piece that helps the team now. Not only does it help your young superstar in the making in Eichel transition to the NHL it gives the team time to gel together. Something that is very important. I am not expecting them to make the playoffs next year but I am expecting them to be a much better team. You get better by getting real NHL players on your team not waiting another 3 years for a prospect to pan out.

There are NHL players on teams with a horrible cap situation, good NHL players that can be apart of a winning NHL team. You can most certainly get those types of players without giving up the farm. Remember the Sabres still have plenty of picks to restock with if one or two prospects are moved. You are not risking the future by trying to get better now.

Because you're still waiting another 3 or 4 years for that player to have any kind of impact for your team. Do you really want to wait another 3 or 4 years before we might be relevant?


- HonkFortheGoose

Yes, because we totally won't be relevant until our 2nd 1st comes up.

You're talking yourself in circles all day today. Cup contenders in 2-3 years? Don't want to give up the future (but talk about trading up which will cost picks or prospects). Rush into mediocrity?

It's pretty simple

If you stand pat or trade up you are still waiting at least 3 years for that player to MAYBE make an impact. If you are trading up you're still giving up an asset.

If you trade the pick and a prospect for a NHL player you are getting a piece that helps the team now. Not only does it help your young superstar in the making in Eichel transition to the NHL it gives the team time to gel together. Something that is very important. I am not expecting them to make the playoffs next year but I am expecting them to be a much better team. You get better by getting real NHL players on your team not waiting another 3 years for a prospect to pan out.

There are NHL players on teams with a horrible cap situation, good NHL players that can be apart of a winning NHL team. You can most certainly get those types of players without giving up the farm. Remember the Sabres still have plenty of picks to restock with if one or two prospects are moved. You are not risking the future by trying to get better now.
- Stripes77

Welcome to the draft.....