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dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:25 AM ET


how many free tv's exchanged hands in baltimore last night?

- homiedclown



Noticed they robbed....er looted a CVS.

Better question is how many oxy's changed hands?


https://youtu.be/oM1a1ycLtRs
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:26 AM ET
Because those players show up in every draft??

Gotcha.

- Stripes77

Yes, they do. And good GM's seem to find them.

2010-
Vlad Tarasenko 16th overall
Jaeden Schwartz 14th overall


I wonder if they would have rather traded those picks for a top 6 winger
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:27 AM ET
Noticed they robbed....er looted a CVS.

Better question is how many oxy's changed hands?


https://youtu.be/oM1a1ycLtRs

- dadeadhead


Best was the mother beatin on her hooded son. telling him to get his ass home
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:27 AM ET
Yes, they do. And good GM's seem to find them.

2010-
Vlad Tarasenko 16th overall
Jaeden Schwartz 14th overall


I wonder if they would have rather traded those picks for a top 6 winger

- sbroads24


Thats a lot of luck if you ask me .
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:29 AM ET
Yes, they do. And good GM's seem to find them.

2010-
Vlad Tarasenko 16th overall
Jaeden Schwartz 14th overall


I wonder if they would have rather traded those picks for a top 6 winger

- sbroads24


Find me those players in every draft? You picked the exception and also picked spots before the Sabres will be picking again in this coming draft

And where will the Sabres be picking 20th...and how many picks in the last 10 years in the 20 range turned into Corey Perry?

Oh and it took 6 years after Corey Perry was drafted that he turned into the Corey Perry we know today...2021...
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:29 AM ET
Thats a lot of luck if you ask me .
- cabin

Murray probably disagrees. He's a scout. He spends months scouting.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:30 AM ET
Murray probably disagrees. He's a scout. He spends months scouting.
- sbroads24

17yr old kids usually end up with different ideas of life at 21. sometimes devoting to hockey isn't one of them.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:32 AM ET
And where will the Sabres be picking 20th...and how many picks in the last 10 years in the 20 range turned into Corey Perry?

Oh and it took 6 years after Corey Perry was drafted that he turned into the Corey Perry we know today...2021...

- Stripes77

He had 14 points in their cup run. Which was year 4.

Also, I mention Perry because Murray helped draft him. I'm not saying there will be a top 3 winger in the NHL available at 20.
Pierceme69
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 02.13.2007

Apr 28 @ 11:32 AM ET
It's already 20th as Minny beat Vancouver.

Best they can get to is 19th if Detroit wins game 7.

- dadeadhead

Vancouver finished higher in the standings than the Isles. Use the NHL standings. Other sites have them incorrect.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:33 AM ET
Find me those players in every draft? You picked the exception and also picked spots before the Sabres will be picking again in this coming draft

And where will the Sabres be picking 20th...and how many picks in the last 10 years in the 20 range turned into Corey Perry?

Oh and it took 6 years after Corey Perry was drafted that he turned into the Corey Perry we know today...2021...

- Stripes77

This is a great point too. They probably should have traded him when he was just a prospect. You know, to get better faster
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:34 AM ET
Yes, they do. And good GM's seem to find them.

2010-
Vlad Tarasenko 16th overall
Jaeden Schwartz 14th overall


I wonder if they would have rather traded those picks for a top 6 winger

- sbroads24


Picks 18-21 in recent history(since 2005) have been very blah.
LamontSanford
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You Big Dummy
Joined: 01.13.2011

Apr 28 @ 11:34 AM ET
Too vanilla for me . Could be the reason for my dislike of him.
- cabin

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:36 AM ET
He had 14 points in their cup run. Which was year 4.

Also, I mention Perry because Murray helped draft him. I'm not saying there will be a top 3 winger in the NHL available at 20.

- sbroads24


He also only had 44 point that year.

You most have been saying that.

So lets draft a guy at 20 that COULD be a 2nd liner in 4-6 years or package that pick to get a winger that this team desperately needs now. Not doing enough to fill the holes your team has is exactly what Edmonton has done, don't repeat the history.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:37 AM ET
Vancouver finished higher in the standings than the Isles. Use the NHL standings. Other sites have them incorrect.
- Pierceme69



I re-looked at it using
http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

They are curently 19th as Calgary and Minny won.

Detroit wins they are 18th.

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:38 AM ET
This is a great point too. They probably should have traded him when he was just a prospect. You know, to get better faster
- sbroads24



They also weren't drafting 2nd overall, coming from back to back last place finishes. They had a team built they had the luxury of waiting. Something this current Sabres team does not have.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:41 AM ET
They also weren't drafting 2nd overall, coming from back to back last place finishes. They had a team built they had the luxury of waiting. Something this current Sabres team does not have.
- Stripes77



Traded for or signed via UFA their entire top 4.

Signed an aging Selanne coming off his worst season
Top line center was an undrafted UFA


They got real lucky in many ways.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:42 AM ET
Traded for or signed via UFA their entire top 4.

Signed an aging Selanne coming off his worst season
Top line center was an undrafted UFA


They got real lucky in many ways.

- dadeadhead


They also weren't bottom feeders for 2 consecutive years
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Apr 28 @ 11:42 AM ET
We won't be good next year. It just isn't going to happen.

There are multiple teams this season who had more points than the Sabres have had over the past 2 seasons combined.

It's not an overnight thing.

I'm fine with adding a player via trade and signing a few FA'S. But we already swung for the fences with Kane, and we don't even know if that has panned out yet

- sbroads24

We didn't swing for the fences for anyone, Murray get rid of pieces he didn't want. People need to stop saying we got " shafted or we lost out" he moves players that he didn't want, bottom line.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Apr 28 @ 11:44 AM ET


how many free tv's exchanged hands in baltimore last night?

- homiedclown

With every TV, you get.................and tell them BOB, you guessed it a FREE End Table.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:46 AM ET
They also weren't bottom feeders for 2 consecutive years
- Stripes77



They drafted 9 in 2004 and 2nd in 2005.


Hmm. Risto was drafted 8 and Reinhart was drafted 2nd in back to back years.


Their top 6 defensemen during the cup run were traded for or signed via UFA. The vast majority of the team up front was traded for or undrafted UFA.


They got luckey and all the cards fell into place.


edit: they also drafted 12th, 5th, and 8th from 2000-2002. While not bottom feeding it isn't tripping the light fantastic either.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 28 @ 11:49 AM ET
If I am being the armchair GM for a moment, this is not the offseason to go completely green light regarding another big trade.

Would the Kane trade have happened when it did if he wasn't out for the rest of the season? I don't think it would have.

Murray struck when he did because the timing was very fortunate on his end.

This offseason, with the cap only going to say $71.5M-$72M, I would be looking to pull a trade or two like the Islanders did for Boychuck and Leddy. Teams that have cap issues can be taken advantage of, and as for big trades, I don't do it unless it's decidedly in my favor. In no way do I trade either of Pysyk or Zadorov.

I certainly like the look of the D next year if it is some combination of Green or Martin, Bogosian, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pysyk, Gorges, Weber/McCabe. I would prefer Ruhwedel up over Weber and Gorges.

Next offseason would be the time, after seeing the development of all the young guys in the NHL and AHL, when I would decide to make a bigger trade.

The team will be picking high again next season almost assuredly.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:52 AM ET
We didn't swing for the fences for anyone, Murray get rid of pieces he didn't want. People need to stop saying we got " shafted or we lost out" he moves players that he didn't want, bottom line.
- SABRES 89

Which is fine. But we absolutely swung for the fences. Kane is not a sure thing. It's a gamble. I'm sure he will be very good, but we don't know how good yet
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 28 @ 11:54 AM ET
I want Jeremy Roy or Konecny sooo (frank)ing bad people are going to say how did these guys not go top 10. When it's all said and done
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:55 AM ET
If I am being the armchair GM for a moment, this is not the offseason to go completely green light regarding another big trade.

Would the Kane trade have happened when it did if he wasn't out for the rest of the season? I don't think it would have.

Murray struck when he did because the timing was very fortunate on his end.

This offseason, with the cap only going to say $71.5M-$72M, I would be looking to pull a trade or two like the Islanders did for Boychuck and Leddy. Teams that have cap issues can be taken advantage of, and as for big trades, I don't do it unless it's decidedly in my favor. In no way do I trade either of Pysyk or Zadorov.

I certainly like the look of the D next year if it is some combination of Green or Martin, Bogosian, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pysyk, Gorges, Weber/McCabe. I would prefer Ruhwedel up over Weber and Gorges.

Next offseason would be the time, after seeing the development of all the young guys in the NHL and AHL, when I would decide to make a bigger trade.

The team will be picking high again next season almost assuredly
.

- kingcong39

this
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:58 AM ET
I want Jeremy Roy or Konecny sooo (frank)ing bad people are going to say how did these guys not go top 10. When it's all said and done
- gerbe75pts



Because the guys drafted there are better duh.



For me it's Kylington and hope Dergachev drops to 31.
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