Malkin + Sutter + mid round pick for Max P + Galchenyuk + Gallagher

Malkin + Perron + Sutter for Max P + Galchenyuk + Gallagher + Weisse/Picks/Prospects
- znagle

Hahaha that meme is awesome.

I thought Montreal was already up against the cap. Based on the numbers I just looked at, they would have to be able to absorb an additional 3.7 mil just for Sutter and Malkin. Another 3 mil beyond that with Perron included.

Max P - 4.5/yr, Gallagher - 3.75/yr, Galchenyuk - .925/yr

Malkin - 9.5/yr, Sutter - 3.3/yr, Perron - 2.9/yr

Based on each players average regular season points per game, its almost a wash. So why would Montreal want to pay 3-6 million more for the same production to take on older players?

I saw your idea last night. No way does CO put Landeskog and Duschene together plus a first. We would have to add. Denver is a place he could go, especially with the way they play.

They have a poopty farm system to boot with nothing that should interest Pittsburgh from a close to ready NHL prospect.

Iggy? We have been down that road before ... too old; Tanguay? Too old. ROR? Too expensive and I don't like his negotiating practices. Tyson Barrie? EJ? MacKinnon?

While they have some appealing talent, I don't see much of a match as far as the right package that they would hand over.
- Oneonta Penguin

They need D. Yeah it was a lopsided deal in the Pens favor, but throw in a D prospect? a 2nd instead of the 1st? They will have plenty of cap to spend as well. 71+Mac?

Yeah then what sign a mid level D UFA for 6mil?....pass
- sammy87

I still think whoever is the GM will sign a UFA Dman despite what people say. You have youth and uncertainty on the blue line. I would guess Pittsburgh would have interest in Petry. Franson and Boychuk stay where they are or get top dollar.

Here is a scary thought....

Mega Cap Space + Rutherford as GM + Limited, Overrated UFA Pool =

I sure hope he doesn't go out searching for some quick fix UFA and signs him to a long term extension. That would dig us a deeper hole.

I'm all for ridding ourselves, as much as possible, of the following players for draft picks:

- Spaling, Sutter, Kunitz, Perron, Duper

Perhaps package some of the picks acquired to get back into round 1 of a deep draft. If not, use them to restock. The above guys should net you a combination of 2nd-4th round picks.

Sign a few low cost, fringe UFAs. Keep Scuds if you cant move him. Pray Kap and Oscar turn out.

Sacrifice next season. Anyone you cant move this offseason, move them at the deadline next year. Try and set yourself up for 2016-2017 and beyond. I don't see any other way or quick fix. Even is you moved Malkin, you're not getting enough back. Plus, you'd be selling low at this point.

Get back to organizational fundamentals. Scout, Draft. Develop.

I was all in for win-now when we were actually in a position to win the Cup. We aren't anymore. They need to come to that realization.
- 87_71_11_29

Amen! Can I get a hallelujah!

I still think whoever is the GM will sign a UFA Dman despite what people say. You have youth and uncertainty on the blue line. I would guess Pittsburgh would have interest in Petry. Branson and Boychuk stay where they are or get top dollar.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yeah they def will. Hoff and Martin are too big of holes to fill with Dumo and DP.

I still think whoever is the GM will sign a UFA Dman despite what people say. You have youth and uncertainty on the blue line. I would guess Pittsburgh would have interest in Petry. Branson and Boychuk stay where they are or get top dollar.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yeah they def will. Hoff and Martin are too big of holes to fill with Dumo and DP.

They need D. Yeah it was a lopsided deal in the Pens favor, but throw in a D prospect? a 2nd instead of the 1st? They will have plenty of cap to spend as well. 71+Mac?
- sammy87

What D prospect? Harrington has essentially been passed by Dumo and Chorney? I'm sure he is expendable, but not sure he has the perceived high value. The one name that somewhat balances it out is DP. Malkin and DP for Landeskog, Duschene and a 1st? I'm not sure that flies for CO either.

What D prospect? Harrington has essentially been passed by Dumo and Chorney? I'm sure he is expendable, but not sure he has the perceived high value. The one name that somewhat balances it out is DP. Malkin and DP for Landeskog, Duschene and a 1st? I'm not sure that flies for CO either.
- Oneonta Penguin

Id offer Dumo in the deal. Last yr Duchene and Landeskog had 110 pts combined for $10.5 vs 71's 69 pts for $9.5

Perron-87-72
Kap-Duchene-Landeskog
Kuni-Sutter-Winnik
Spaling-Lap-X

You cant argue that would be a sick roster.

That bump Sid put on him doesn't knock down my 12-year old son. Yes, it was embellishment to the max.
- Oneonta Penguin

I think there is a fundamental difference between what Lundqvist did and what Lappy did. Hank got bumped, if a goalie isn't expecting contact, yes he can get knocked down. Did he have to fall like that? Absolutely not, he was trying to get the ref's attention. Lappy got pushed in the chest and grabbed his face. There is a difference between exaggerating and fabricating. One is more embellishment and other is more unsportsmanlike conduct (yes I know it is the same penalty). I'm just referring to completely making something up compared to letting a ref take notice of whats happening.

Malkin has a NTC. Even if he did agree to a trade, you would still be looking at a limited number of teams as trade partners. This means the return would be lessened.

The only way Malkin is leaving is if he asks out. Perhaps, playing with the dead weight wingers he has been saddled with this year he may actually ask out.

But I repeat my initial stance ...Malkin and Crosby are not the issue and their deals are pretty cap manageable for what they bring. Start with the really bad contracts.

You do not pair a $30 steak with a bottle of thunderbird and expect to make the cover of Bon Appetite.

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It comes down to this, would you rather have 2 world talent players saddled with middle of the road guys, or a top 9 that can compete in today's NHL? We've tried the top 2 for years with 1 Cup to show and we shouldn't have even won that, but we had a team then. You want to depend on 2 guys to carry our whole offense for the next few years? Haven't we been doing this for 5 years?
- znagle

First off, the salary cap goes up, allowing us the luxury of signing more players. And as that cap goes up, it makes the hit of both Malkin and Crosby less painful. Maybe if they focused more on finding the right people and valuing the right things, we wouldn't be in this mess. That Lovejoy/Despres trade was just god awful. Winnik trade? Awful.

And instead of winning now, maybe our focus should be on scouting and drafting so we have cheap young guys who can actually play well who can come in and fill spots.

This team just has to start doing the right things instead of constantly changing direction and doing the wrong things. I wont hold my breathe on that happening now.

Lots of discussion re: trading Sid or Geno. Putting no-trades aside, I think Crosby's the one to move. I really think he's "lost the room" -- that many of his lesser-skilled, lower-paid, but hard-working teammates are tired of his approach. He's one of the best players in the game, but nobody wants a whiny captain. And he's not just the captain, and face of the franchise; he's the "face" of the whole NHL. I don't see it happening, because he's a marketing bonanza, but he's the guy to trade, for a king's ransom, and Geno can stand alone, and shine, in the spotlight.
- Bromancer

How do you have any idea whats said or happening in their locker room?

And Geno has said multiple times he wants to be in the background. He doesn't want to be the face or voice of a team.

Well what if that backfires and you blow a season and 1 of 87, 71, 58 get pissed and demand a trade?

None of those players bring much value back in a trade. Again, only 87, 71, 29, 72 really bring any thing back. Cant trade 72, then you have a top 6 hole or its just a swap. 58 is too banged up for value. 29, still need a starting G.
- sammy87

Seriously? What if the whole team gets pissed and demands a trade tomorrow? What a stupid (frank)ing question.

First off, the salary cap goes up, allowing us the luxury of signing more players. And as that cap goes up, it makes the hit of both Malkin and Crosby less painful. Maybe if they focused more on finding the right people and valuing the right things, we wouldn't be in this mess. That Lovejoy/Despres trade was just god awful. Winnik trade? Awful.

And instead of winning now, maybe our focus should be on scouting and drafting so we have cheap young guys who can actually play well who can come in and fill spots.

This team just has to start doing the right things instead of constantly changing direction and doing the wrong things. I wont hold my breathe on that happening now.
- thickman1178

Every year the cap goes up, 87 and 71 get older. They will be 27 and 28 to start the season next year. 66 and 99 never won a cup after 26 in the pre cap era.

I think there is a fundamental difference between what Lundqvist did and what Lappy did. Hank got bumped, if a goalie isn't expecting contact, yes he can get knocked down. Did he have to fall like that? Absolutely not, he was trying to get the ref's attention. Lappy got pushed in the chest and grabbed his face. There is a difference between exaggerating and fabricating. One is more embellishment and other is more unsportsmanlike conduct (yes I know it is the same penalty). I'm just referring to completely making something up compared to letting a ref take notice of whats happening.
- xcheckmajor

Lappy's ridiculous act was certainly the more egregious of the two. It should have been 2 for embellishment, period. Sid's bump was intentional, and Hank's reaction was embellished. I think you could have given them both 2, or do what the refs did --nothing.

Seriously? What if the whole team gets pissed and demands a trade tomorrow? What a stupid (frank)ing question.
- thickman1178

No its not. If you're 71 and next year you once again are playign with a 36 yr old and Comeau in your prime, at what point do you look at management and say F this!

Not a lot of people believing it's still possible to win this series.

I brought up '95 last night thinking it would be good luck somehow, but maybe it doesn't work that way. Maybe it had to be a 3-1 deficit.

In '95 we were getting clobbered by a strong Capital team and it looked like we'd be eliminated by them again, just like the previous year. Then Frankie Leroux and Lucky Luc struck.

This Pens team is a lot different in that every game has been close. One bounce or deflection could have changed any of the games so far.

Big win coming tomorrow.

My penis is bigger than yours.
- jmatchett383

my dad's penis is bigger than your dad's.

um.

sorry

I'm actually ok with where this team is for next season

? - Crosby - Hornqvist
Perron - Malkin - ?
Kunitz - Sutter - Dupuis
Wilson - Spaling - Bennett
Kapanen/Sundqvist

Letang - Maatta
Pouliot - Lovejoy
Cole - Dumoulin
Harrington

Dupuis is a question mark, so is the future of guys like Sutter, Kunitz & Spaling. Scuderi has to be bought out.

We likely need two top six wingers... Best case scenario is that Kapanen can be one, but we will still need to find one elsewhere.

Not a lot on the UFA market, but there are some teams who have a shortage of centers. Maybe flip Sutter plus something for a lower end top 6 wing?

I know emotions are high now, but this team is in a decent place next season. They just need to avoid moving any more future pieces, and if anything acquire some more picks/prospects somehow.
- rival22

But, But.. the sky is falling. Kunitz is old and slow, and Dupuis too. Perron sucks and so do Sutter, Spaling and Bennett. Letang will never be the same again, and Mattaa may not be either. Lovejoy is a trainwreck and Fleury is average. We should trade both Malkin and Crosby so we can fill a roster with 20 goal scorers who all make 3-4 million each. That's the only way to win.

I actually do believe SOME of that. But not to the HOLY CRAP WHAT DO WE DO degree some people do.

How do you have any idea whats said or happening in their locker room?

And Geno has said multiple times he wants to be in the background. He doesn't want to be the face or voice of a team.
- thickman1178

I don't; it's an opinion. Geno may not want to be a poster boy (and let's face it, he's not suited to it; he looks like a big, ugly Russian woman), but I bet he'd like to be the stud.

Lappy's ridiculous act was certainly the more egregious of the two. It should have been 2 for embellishment, period. Sid's bump was intentional, and Hank's reaction was embellished. I think you could have given them both 2, or do what the refs did --nothing.
- Bromancer

Totally agreed, I think they should have both gotten 2 but that would have been beneficial for the Rangers I would think.

Lappy didn't do any favors with that though, when a player makes the Ref look stupid on National TV, he's not getting anything called for him Friday and may even get called himself on something ridiculous.

If I'm Burkle Im asking why are we looking at another GM in as many years? Why didnt any coaches want to be here and we had to go to the WHL? Why another early playoff exit? Why are there always so many injuries? Why has the season ticket waiting list gone down? Why do we get few national broadcasts?

But yeah after answering all those questions keeping the same old formula together and bringing in next years Lee Stempniak to fill holes sounds like a brilliant idea!
- sammy87

Apologies for the belated response, it was lunch.
Pens keep hiring GMs without a structured plan so they will keep getting random results. There are people with proven track records in personnel management. Dubas was one. Brisebois in TB is another. Shero and Rutherford are NOT.
Ownership forced one of the owner's friends (Tocchet), and only a 2 year contract on candidates. Probably because no one they implicitly trusted was available. Guarantee it would have been different if Julien, McLellan, and Babcock were available like this year.
The core is injury prone. They are bringing in Roberts this offseason so hopefully preventative strength & conditioning will improve.
They just need personnel decisions with a plan. Not haphazardly like they have been doing.