Trust me you don't have to convince me. I'm all for taking a flyer on Panara Bread
- Victoro311

You don't know how happy I'll be if and when we sign him. I'd probably be more excited than I was when we got Perron, and trust me I was pumped. I still feel like Perron's hip is bothering him.

Wow. Detroit just puked on themselves.
- madmike71

Very happy with that result.

Wow. Detroit just puked on themselves.
- madmike71

Babcock is overrated.

Not too long ago, we didn't have a first or a second round pick due to the forking over of assets for rentals. We supplemented a shortcoming by signing Erik Hartzell out of Qpac as an undrafted free agent. He was thought as being the best goalie out there on the market and we were certainly in need of that. While he has been a bust, his signing served a purpose. With our MO of forking over great assets for more rentals and fourth line players from Edmonton, the need was there to supplement our lack of depth at forward. Casey Bailey was right there to be had. The Pens didn't step up. This is one of the ways the organization can supplement these foolish ideas. The kid in the KHL would be another prime example.
- Oneonta Penguin

Agreed. Absolutely foolish not try. If some GM is ballsy/dumb enough to offer a guy like Panerin a big contract, then oh well. There's nothing we can do about that. But if the market for the kid is fair, and we don't try, then whoever the Pens GM this offseason is is moronic. With the amount of cap we'll have and how bad the FA pool is, its one of the few options we have at a home run fix. If he doesn't pan out, he doesn't pan out. Wouldn't be the first, and probably not even the worst bad signing we've made in the past 5 years. I know you're team pro-trade Malkin, but let's all be real. That won't happen. Taking for granted that 87, 71, 58, and 29 are retained, these are the kinds of moves we have to make in order to build our roster.

You have to get Malkin capable wingers to make him part of the solution. How you acquire those wingers is the major problem since we have nothing on the farm; no draft picks and little to trade.
- Oneonta Penguin

100 percent agree with this.

im not saying i have a foolproof answer, and for that reason im not going to sit here and say that people who want to sacrifice malkin because its really the only card left to play are foolish, because i can see the logic in it.

but im just not there yet. i dont know how they can acquire such a player, but to me a healthy pens team is still only one legitimate top 6 forward away from being viable again.

i know you'll disagree, and thats fine. i realize im not arguing from a position of strength here.

Agreed. Absolutely foolish not try. If some GM is ballsy/dumb enough to offer a guy like Panerin a big contract, then oh well. There's nothing we can do about that. But if the market for the kid is fair, and we don't try, then whoever the Pens GM this offseason is is moronic. With the amount of cap we'll have and how bad the FA pool is, its one of the few options we have at a home run fix. If he doesn't pan out, he doesn't pan out. Wouldn't be the first, and probably not even the worst bad signing we've made in the past 5 years. I know you're team pro-trade Malkin, but let's all be real. That won't happen. Taking for granted that 87, 71, 58, and 29 are retained, these are the kinds of moves we have to make in order to build our roster.
- Victoro311

I wish people would stop mentioning 58 along with 87, 71 and 29. Put 72 in there instead. I would imagine management would love to redo that extension to 58 and trade him if they could to get whatever they can. He is not a core player moving forward. Core players are reliable. He isn't.

Not too long ago, we didn't have a first or a second round pick due to the forking over of assets for rentals. We supplemented a shortcoming by signing Erik Hartzell out of Qpac as an undrafted free agent. He was thought as being the best goalie out there on the market and we were certainly in need of that. While he has been a bust, his signing served a purpose. With our MO of forking over great assets for more rentals and fourth line players from Edmonton, the need was there to supplement our lack of depth at forward. Casey Bailey was right there to be had. The Pens didn't step up. This is one of the ways the organization can supplement these foolish ideas. The kid in the KHL would be another prime example.
- Oneonta Penguin

yes. now this is something i dont defend the pens for at all. its laughable how they dont examine these issues. now, i am saying this as an outsider with no inside information. maybe they do try, and are rebuked. not much you can do about that.

but in todays NHL you cannot leave any potential stone unturned. guys like bailey, the KHL name that keeps being thrown around, hell even last nights hero in hayes. they all should have been looked at very closely. i feel like this team just dismisses the notion so quickly. its irritating.

look at what matt read has become for the flyers. the pens have none of that. especially when theyre going to either 1. stink at drafting or 2. pawn picks off quickly, they need to prioritize alternative methods of injecting young options into the organizational pool.

I wish people would stop mentioning 58 along with 87, 71 and 29. Put 72 in there instead. I would imagine management would love to redo that extension to 58 and trade him if they could to get whatever they can. He is not a core player moving forward. Core players are reliable. He isn't.
- Oneonta Penguin

i dont really think there is a way you can exclude him.

both sides of the coin have him there. either you view him as a viable and integral part of the main core going forward.

or you view him as a liability that they are stuck with, for the reasons you mention.

either way, he is going to be around.

I wish people would stop mentioning 58 along with 87, 71 and 29. Put 72 in there instead. I would imagine management would love to redo that extension to 58 and trade him if they could to get whatever they can. He is not a core player moving forward. Core players are reliable. He isn't.
- Oneonta Penguin

I didn't say core. I mentioned the four guys that people are constantly trying to arm chair GM away from the team, but will not/cannot be moved. Hornqvist should be considered core, but its conceivable that whoever our GM is will be stupid enough to move him, since pretty much any other team would love to acquire him and his contract.

I didn't say core. I mentioned the four guys that people are constantly trying to arm chair GM away from the team, but will not/cannot be moved. Hornqvist should be considered core, but its conceivable that whoever our GM is will be stupid enough to move him, since pretty much any other team would love to acquire him and his contract.
- Victoro311

if they move hornqvist this offseason, im done.

if they move hornqvist this offseason, im done.
- stayinthefnnet

I can't see it happening, but its far more likely than moving the four afore mentioned players. 87 is 87. Whoever wants to rationalize trading him away can go live in Palmerland. 71 has a NTC with all the leverage in the world. Doubt he moves it for a team that would be willing to give up the package needed to acquire him, if it even exists. 58 has no trade value. 29 has minimal trade value and has started to turn things around. He helps the team more than anything we'd get in return for him. Horqvist could draw some enticing packages. One may even get a GM all hot and bothered. 99% chance we lose that trade though.

I can't see it happening, but its far more likely than moving the four afore mentio.ned players. 87 is 87. Whoever wants to rationalize trading him away can go live in Palmerland 71 has a NTC with all the leverage in the world. Doubt he moves it for a team that would be willing to give up the package needed to acquire him, if it even exists. 58 has no trade value. 29 has minimal trade value and has started to turn things around. He helps the team more than anything we'd get in return for him. Horqvist could draw some enticing packages. One may even get a GM all hot and bothered. 99% chance we lose that trade though.
- Victoro311

i (frank)ing miss that guy.

i (frank)ing miss that guy.
- stayinthefnnet

Seriously. Where is he? Did he fade away into the wind in order to make his glorious return during the draft? I think he's only capable of posting trade proposals? Guy's a national treasure.

So oilers are going to hire Chiarelli.. I hope he trades the 1st pick for nothing.. Just like how he traded seguin

if they move hornqvist this offseason, im done.
- stayinthefnnet

They cannot afford to. They would be dumb to do so with all things considered.

They cannot afford to. They would be dumb to do so with all things considered.
- Oneonta Penguin

i dont think they will. but my faith in the braintrust of the organization is pretty low anymore.

he is an absolutely perfect player. not the most skill, but not barren in the skill department either.

but just smart, hustle to the max, grind it out stud.

not a coincidence he is the only one that has scored for them in the last 2 games.

Seriously. Where is he? Did he fade away into the wind in order to make his glorious return during the draft? I think he's only capable of posting trade proposals? Guy's a national treasure.
- Victoro311

my favorite part was just the tremendous run on sentence, emphatically punctuated with just a wow.

he reminded me of an english translation of a japanese informecial

my favorite part was just the tremendous run on sentence, emphatically punctuated with just a wow.

he reminded me of an english translation of a japanese informecial
- stayinthefnnet

I have yet to figure out if he's serious or if he's just perfected PFTCommenter-style comedy. Guy's a legend. Where ever he ends up, I hope to Christ Jagr only signs a one year deal so we can get another round of selling the house for half a year of 100 year old Jagr trade proposals. Dude's a legend.

I have yet to figure out if he's serious or if he's just perfected PFTCommenter-style comedy. Guy's a legend. Where ever he ends up, I hope to Christ Jagr only signs a one year deal so we can get another round of selling the house for half a year of 100 year old Jagr trade proposals. Dude's a legend.
- Victoro311

maybe his poor heart finally popped from massive amounts of strippers and blow.

what year are you at notre dame?

maybe his poor heart finally popped from massive amounts of strippers and blow.

what year are you at notre dame?
- stayinthefnnet

Most likely true...

Wrapping up my senior year, unfortunately... Fortunately, however, I'm doing a year of service in the South Bend community before moving on completely, so as they say in Washington: FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

Most likely true...

Wrapping up my senior year, unfortunately... Fortunately, however, I'm doing a year of service in the South Bend community before moving on completely, so as they say in Washington: FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
- Victoro311

i have a buddy who is just finishing up his first year of law school out there.

says he loves it.

i have a buddy who is just finishing up his first year of law school out there.

says he loves it.
- stayinthefnnet

It's a hell of a place. South Bend isn't the greatest, but Notre Dame is hard to get away from. Props to him. Law school is a female dog.

It's a hell of a place. South Bend isn't the greatest, but Notre Dame is hard to get away from. Props to him. Law school is a female dog.
- Victoro311

yeah. im finishing up my second year at temple.

law school can blow me haha

yeah. im finishing up my second year at temple.

law school can blow me haha
- stayinthefnnet

Is the market as oversaturated with law students as everyone makes it out to be?

Is the market as oversaturated with law students as everyone makes it out to be?
- jfkst1

take that saturation.

have it (frank) itself asexually and produce saturated little poopbabies.

their family reunion is pretty much what the market looks like.