Which would be fine except with Voracek, Schenn, Couturier and Raffl coming up for contract extensions we are going to have an issue. Voracek is going to make Giroux Money if he puts up those kind of points again. Schenn and Coots will make 3 mill each best case and Raffl will get a big bump in salary as well now that he is hitting 20 goals. There is a lot of cap implications here and we are already tight against the cap.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Well, I'm also assuming we can move at least one of Grossmann/Schenn, buyout Umberger, maybe move Streit all in the next year or so. That's a lot of $$ freed up.

- JAKEw1234

That's the tooth fairy pretending to be a forward pretending to be a defenseman.
And sneaky. He'll be 25 in about a month so not quite under 24. But close!

So if I buy the lunch can I convince you to have this conversation with some of my co-workers?

- FlyersGrace

Sure.

Unless it's the #1 overall pick or that Crosby guy, Giroux is a deal-killer (unless it's some crazy overpayment like 17 consecutive 1st rounders).
- jmatchett383

Question: Would you straight up trade Claude Giroux for 6 1st round picks?

The only assumption on the team is that, by the 5th 1st rounder, if they are currently a playoff contender, they will be a top 10 pick. If they are currently a top 10 pick, they will be a playoff contender by that time.

Unless it's the #1 overall pick or that Crosby guy, Giroux is a deal-killer (unless it's some crazy overpayment like 17 consecutive 1st rounders).
- jmatchett383

Giroux has 2-3 good/great years left IMO. He will start breaking down at 29-30. Making this trade you clear up 13 Mil in cap space AND getting a player who will be as good if not better than Giroux that you have control of for 3-4 years.

That's the tooth fairy pretending to be a forward pretending to be a defenseman.
And sneaky. He'll be 25 in about a month.
- FlyersGrace

Every #1 defenseman will be 25 next season.

Giroux has 2-3 good/great years left IMO. He will start breaking down at 29-30. Making this trade you clear up 13 Mil in cap space AND getting a player who will be as good if not better than Giroux that you have control of for 3-4 years.
- Jimmygrazz

Yes, because elite players never play well past 30.

How's Datsyuk doing?

Giroux has 2-3 good/great years left IMO. He will start breaking down at 29-30. Making this trade you clear up 13 Mil in cap space AND getting a player who will be as good if not better than Giroux that you have control of for 3-4 years.
- Jimmygrazz

I'm not sure how you know that he'll break down in 2-3 years. A guy with no injury issues, and who doesn't rely on his speed to produce like Giroux does, has the potential to be useful well into his 30s. If you're moving Giroux, it's for the 1st overall pick, no less. He also has a NTC, which means he's probably rejecting a trade, especially a trade to a lottery team.

Yes, because elite players never play well past 30.

How's Datsyuk doing?
- jmatchett383

They play 2 different styles. The way Giroux plays he will break down quicker than guys like Datsuk.

They play 2 different styles. The way Giroux plays he will break down quicker than guys like Datsuk.
- Jimmygrazz

Why is that? How does Giroux play that will degrade his game?

Why is that? How does Giroux play that will degrade his game?
- JAKEw1234

nrg

They play 2 different styles. The way Giroux plays he will break down quicker than guys like Datsuk.
- Jimmygrazz

I'd argue Datsyuk plays a more physical game than Giroux and relies on his skating/speed more than Giroux does.

I'd argue Datsyuk plays a more physical game than Giroux and relies on his skating/speed more than Giroux does.
- jmatchett383

I concur.

I don't think what I posted was much different. If it was taken in a different manner then that's not what I originally intended. My bad.

What it comes down to is Hextall and the new coaching staff making a call. Scratching Vinny and playing him every 4th game(if that) isn't working for anyone. If he tells him " hey, were going to honor the contract and pay you but were moving on down on the ice." then what I was getting at is that Vinny and his agent really do have to consider walking away early if he wants to play elsewhere. No one would be touching his deal as is and if Hextall just lays it out that he's getting no ice time here than what else can Vinny do but definitively make a choice, grin and bear it here for the money or walk away early for a chance to play one or two more years elsewhere.
- hereticpride

Here is what you said on page 1.

"Tell him its either spending the remainder of his time here in the press box, on the planes, away from his family for nothing OR facilitate a trade where you come to an agreement that you walk away in a year or two tops because no one is touching you otherwise. "

The Flyers can't do that. It's basically blackmail. All they can do is tell him they don't see him as part of the future, or getting much icetime next season, and let Lecavalier make a decision on what he wants to do. The Flyers can't get involved in any talk of Lecavalier giving up future years to facilitate a deal.

Yes, because elite players never play well past 30.

How's Datsyuk doing?
- jmatchett383

so youre saying theres a chance?

fine i'll put my bottle of bleach down.

Giroux has 2-3 good/great years left IMO. He will start breaking down at 29-30. Making this trade you clear up 13 Mil in cap space AND getting a player who will be as good if not better than Giroux that you have control of for 3-4 years.
- Jimmygrazz

That's ridiculous to say.... plenty of old guys still producing decent numbers and being effective. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, thornton, jagr, st Louis, our own streit, hossa, marleau, ribiero, tanguay, fisher, kesler, both sedin twins, vrbata, Justin Williams, sharp, hartnell, kunitz, cammaleri, pomminville, parise, plekanec, wideman, keith, spezza, Giordano, carter, steen, nash, pavelski. Everyone I just listed is 30 and older...

Giroux is an elite player. Giroux is at the same level, if not a higher level than most these players when they were g's age. So (frank)ing sick and tired of people saying g is gonna dry up as soon as he hits 30 holy poop... Getzlaf & Perry turn 30 next month... maybe if the ducks are still in the playoffs their game is just gonna completely dry up and they won't produce anymore..... Ovechkin turns 30 next September... goodbye 50 goal seasons ovi... actually... goodbye any kind of productive seasons according to some commenters

They play 2 different styles. The way Giroux plays he will break down quicker than guys like Datsuk.
- Jimmygrazz

Those two play an almost identical style dude... datsyuk just does more dekes... They're both good two way players (more so datsyuk), they're both typically pass first players, neither are overly physical... If there's one player in the game I compare Giroux's style to.... it's datsyuk

Those two play an almost identical style dude... datsyuk just does more dekes... They're both good two way players (more so datsyuk), they're both typically pass first players, neither are overly physical... If there's one player in the game I compare Giroux's style to.... it's datsyuk
- benjichronic

Giroux is a bit more physical than Datsyuk, but not to the extent where he has to worry about breaking down. One reason I'm onboard for a non total rebuild is I think that the core pieces have 5-6 years left as high performers

Those two play an almost identical style dude... datsyuk just does more dekes... They're both good two way players (more so datsyuk), they're both typically pass first players, neither are overly physical... If there's one player in the game I compare Giroux's style to.... it's datsyuk
- benjichronic

Yeah, but can Giroux do this:

Giroux is a bit more physical than Datsyuk, but not to the extent where he has to worry about breaking down. One reason I'm onboard for a non total rebuild is I think that the core pieces have 5-6 years left as high performers
- Jsaquella

See above, as well as Datsyuk's Selke Trophies.

Yeah, but can Giroux do this:
- jmatchett383

It's not Weber, but he still deserves props for this.

See above, as well as Datsyuk's Selke Trophies.

That's 1 up Datsyuk will always have, for sure!

Giroux is a bit more physical than Datsyuk, but not to the extent where he has to worry about breaking down. One reason I'm onboard for a non total rebuild is I think that the core pieces have 5-6 years left as high performers
- Jsaquella

That's exactly what I'm saying. We have a lot of young players that form a nice core group. We're not the leafs, with cancerous personalities in the room, we aren't in complete dysfunction, we're not gonna have Nj's problem with a young d, but dinosaurs for forwards.

Yeah, but can Giroux do this:





See above, as well as Datsyuk's Selke Trophies.
- jmatchett383

Yes, Datsyuk is a better two way player, no question. Not saying they are the same, but similar in their games. Should we drag up Giroux planting Crosby on his ass from the 2012 playoffs?

It's not Weber, but he still deserves props for this.







That's 1 up Datsyuk will always have, for sure!
- WarriorHockey21

It's even better than laying out weber since it's g laying out Crosby.

Hal Gill has retired. Two years too late for the Flyers.

Hal Gill has retired. Two years too late for the Flyers.
- Jsaquella

The Battleship Gill.

Also, one of the deliverers of one of Eric Lindros' concussions, if I recall correctly.