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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 21 @ 12:55 PM ET
Or she went Elin Nordgren on him with hockey sticks from his trunk after finding his Siagon whore black book
- stowerkraut


I didn't think Canadians knew how to have sex, let alone cheat. I thought they just stood around complimenting each other all day enjoying free social healthcare.
brienstel
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.21.2011

Apr 21 @ 12:55 PM ET
Just read the Rossi article finally...

http://triblive.com/sport...rutherford-penguins-final

You can hate him all you want. But, most if not all of what he wrote is 100% accurate.

- 87_71_11_29


its without tact.

he would fit in perfectly in Toronto as a Sun writer.
znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Apr 21 @ 12:56 PM ET
Dejan Kovacevic @Dejan_Kovacevic ยท 19m 19 minutes ago
One last thing: It's a damn shame a good reporter/person like @JoshYohe_Trib caught in garbage like this. Wish he'd come work for me.



Oh god.

EDIT: That smiley was part of the tweet
stowerkraut
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: He fit in the lineup like Edgar Winter in the Wu-Tang Clan, PA
Joined: 01.13.2015

Apr 21 @ 12:56 PM ET
To me GMJR was in a no win situation....

Team will take a few years to build depth while keeping the core, entire fanbase and owners want to win now. It showed in his trades too.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 21 @ 12:57 PM ET
He's not and he absolutely deserves it. It's unacceptable IMO. I get it he's hurt and his linemates aren't helping him out but that doesn't excuse him. He's had that problem for years.
- dbell646


If you're gonna get star money, you need to play like a star. If not theres no reason to tie up the cap of 2-3 players with 1.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 21 @ 12:57 PM ET
I will forever remember this as the time Yandle hit the Queen in the head and he flopped like he was shot. Then every Ranger fan got outraged. Over nothing.
- thickman1178


stowerkraut
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: He fit in the lineup like Edgar Winter in the Wu-Tang Clan, PA
Joined: 01.13.2015

Apr 21 @ 12:59 PM ET

- jmatchett383


Because I'm not so good with 'puters... please find and post a clip of Big Buff spiking Perry's head like a coconut after scoring last night.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Apr 21 @ 1:00 PM ET
Interesting, but funny ... organization wants JR to resign so they don't have the stigma of having fired its GMs in two consecutive years. Guess what Mario and crew ... you will have done so. A forced resignation is a canning.

As far as Rossi's deal ... some valid points, but disagree entirely on Ehrhoff. It was a smart move for JR to bring him in, a one-year deal to replace Niskanen. The deal looks bad now only because the dude has been injured.

Not against Guerin as the next GM. I wonder what the "GM in waiting" Botterill will do when he gets passed up.

The key is the new GM needs to have a vision of making some organizational changes that put this team in better shape to compete. The changes required aren't rocket science.
Emperor Filonius
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Drinking the tears of the defeated from Lord Stanley's chalice.
Joined: 01.18.2007

Apr 21 @ 1:00 PM ET
Reasons Rutherford should be fired:
1. Leaving the team in a situation where they had to play with 5 defensemen for essentially the last 3 weeks of the season is utter negligence in terms of cap management. This didn't just accidentally happen. It was a direct result of the 2 unnecessary trades for defensemen we didn't need.
2. Trading Despres and only getting Ben Lovejoy in return. Traded a 1st round pick who was finally coming into his own and having a breakout season for a guy who basically is a 6th defenseman. He was leading the Pens in hits at the time and was good at moving the puck and setting up transition. Lovejoy doesn't do any of those things as well, plus he is older, and costs the team $300K more per year.
3. He then doubled down by trading Bortuzzo for Cole, again costing the team another $300K under the cap, which totally hamstrung them when Letang and Erhoff got hurt. I don't has as much issue with the Cole trade as the Lovejoy one, but by making these 2 completely unnecessary trades, he downgraded the defense and left them bereft of any physical presence on the blue line. He did this at a point in the season when they had just won 4 in a row and were gaining momentum and IMHO, these trades completely wrecked that.
4. Signing Erhoff was a luxury they could not afford when the team was and remains in desperate need to top 6 wingers. That $4 million spent of him could have gone towards a guy who could have potted 25 goals along Genos wing. Plus, they could have given more playing time in the regular season to the young Dmen and had them playoff ready by now.

Rutherford was not dealing from a strong hand in terms of what Shero left, but I think a strong argument can be made that Rutherford made things worse and that he should not be trusted to retool the team any further.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 21 @ 1:01 PM ET
Let me get this straight, you wouldn't consider trading Brad Marchand for Malkin?
- eichiefs9



So beat me to that.
eganator
Boston Bruins
Location: UT
Joined: 04.02.2015

Apr 21 @ 1:02 PM ET
He's got a case of the Maple Leafs.
- jmatchett383

Straight up? I probably would but not marchand and lucic plus if seguin "didn't fit the system" Malkin sure wouldn't
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 21 @ 1:03 PM ET
Because I'm not so good with 'puters... please find and post a clip of Big Buff spiking Perry's head like a coconut after scoring last night.
- stowerkraut


No, this is the gentleman who spikes heads:



Here's the Byguglien shot:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2...n-corey-perry-shove-video
stowerkraut
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: He fit in the lineup like Edgar Winter in the Wu-Tang Clan, PA
Joined: 01.13.2015

Apr 21 @ 1:03 PM ET
Interesting, but funny ... organization wants JR to resign so they don't have the stigma of having fired its GMs in two consecutive years. Guess what Mario and crew ... you will have done so. A forced resignation is a canning.

As far as Rossi's deal ... some valid points, but disagree entirely on Ehrhoff. It was a smart move for JR to bring him in, a one-year deal to replace Niskanen. The deal looks bad now only because the dude has been injured.

Not against Guerin as the next GM. I wonder what the "GM in waiting" Botterill will do when he gets passed up.

The key is the new GM needs to have a vision of making some organizational changes that put this team in better shape to compete. The changes required aren't rocket science.

- Oneonta Penguin


Wasn't it reported a month or so ago Botterill is having issues with other members of the braintrust? And may be on the outs?

Team is like General Hospital both literally and figuratively.

Throw 6 million at Babcock and give him the keys to everything.
holeinone
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 07.03.2007

Apr 21 @ 1:03 PM ET
Speaking of Burgerboy, I really hope someone seriously injures him with a cheap shot. I'm tired on his antics. He can be added to the list of players like Rinaldo that I want injured.
- jfkst1

Add that punk Subban to that list A real hack and show off He needs to go to the WWE and get his arse punked I would pay to see that
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 21 @ 1:04 PM ET
Reasons Rutherford should be fired:
1. Leaving the team in a situation where they had to play with 5 defensemen for essentially the last 3 weeks of the season is utter negligence in terms of cap management. This didn't just accidentally happen. It was a direct result of the 2 unnecessary trades for defensemen we didn't need.
2. Trading Despres and only getting Ben Lovejoy in return. Traded a 1st round pick who was finally coming into his own and having a breakout season for a guy who basically is a 6th defenseman. He was leading the Pens in hits at the time and was good at moving the puck and setting up transition. Lovejoy doesn't do any of those things as well, plus he is older, and costs the team $300K more per year.
3. He then doubled down by trading Bortuzzo for Cole, again costing the team another $300K under the cap, which totally hamstrung them when Letang and Erhoff got hurt. I don't has as much issue with the Cole trade as the Lovejoy one, but by making these 2 completely unnecessary trades, he downgraded the defense and left them bereft of any physical presence on the blue line. He did this at a point in the season when they had just won 4 in a row and were gaining momentum and IMHO, these trades completely wrecked that.
4. Signing Erhoff was a luxury they could not afford when the team was and remains in desperate need to top 6 wingers. That $4 million spent of him could have gone towards a guy who could have potted 25 goals along Genos wing. Plus, they could have given more playing time in the regular season to the young Dmen and had them playoff ready by now.

Rutherford was not dealing from a strong hand in terms of what Shero left, but I think a strong argument can be made that Rutherford made things worse and that he should not be trusted to retool the team any further.

- Emperor Filonius


I think the Winnik deal should be #1. He already moved a 1st, Winnik is not worth a 2nd. Kinda hard to build depth now.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Apr 21 @ 1:06 PM ET
The key is the new GM needs to have a vision of making some organizational changes that put this team in better shape to compete. The changes required aren't rocket science.
- Oneonta Penguin


They need a structure on what they want the team identity to be and follow through with it. Shero was terrible with that and would randomly acquire players/make roster decisions without any purpose. Rutherford could have also been better in that regard, but one year is difficult to make the transformation.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 21 @ 1:06 PM ET
Add that punk Subban to that list A real hack and show off He needs to go to the WWE and get his arse punked I would pay to see that
- holeinone


You would pay to see him get fake beat up by actors on steroids?
stowerkraut
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: He fit in the lineup like Edgar Winter in the Wu-Tang Clan, PA
Joined: 01.13.2015

Apr 21 @ 1:06 PM ET
No, this is the gentleman who spikes heads:



Here's the Byguglien shot:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2...n-corey-perry-shove-video

- jmatchett383


Oh man I forgot about that. That's what he gets for wearing a '78 Jofa with a dek hockey cage.

Thanks!

Lunch break over, back to work, (frank).... take it sleezy fellas
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Apr 21 @ 1:07 PM ET
So if Ruth goes, what's the chances of HCMJ keeping his job?
stowerkraut
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: He fit in the lineup like Edgar Winter in the Wu-Tang Clan, PA
Joined: 01.13.2015

Apr 21 @ 1:09 PM ET
I didn't think Canadians knew how to have sex, let alone cheat. I thought they just stood around complimenting each other all day enjoying free social healthcare.
- jmatchett383


don't forget ice-fishing. Exhilarating.
thickman1178
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.21.2013

Apr 21 @ 1:10 PM ET
A GM shouldn't lose his cool like Rutherford did, but I think Rossi's way off base with his criticism of Rutherford's cap management. No contender that isn't cash strapped should be carrying enough cap space to absorb the injuries the Pens took down the stretch without the aid of LTIR. I don't see any way he can say adding Ehrhoff on a one year deal was a bad move from the start, either.
- BulliesPhan87



Yeah, as soon as I read Rossi condemning the Hoff signing, I was like...this dude is a flow blown retard. That was the best signing of our offseason.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 21 @ 1:11 PM ET
don't forget ice-fishing. Exhilarating.
- stowerkraut


I never got the thrill behind ice fishing.

"Hey, let's go sit perfectly still on a frozen in the freezing cold drinking cheap beer holding a fishing pole over a hole in the ice."
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Apr 21 @ 1:12 PM ET
So if Ruth goes, what's the chances of HCMJ keeping his job?
- madmike71


If they plan on using an internal replacement I'd predict very likely Johnston returns. If they look for external candidates, probably much lower. Of course, they could still approach the vacancy with GMs who only want Johnston as the HC as well. It would probably limit the candidates, but I'm sure there are some that would endorse him as well.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 21 @ 1:13 PM ET
I never got the thrill behind ice fishing.

"Hey, let's go sit perfectly still on a frozen in the freezing cold drinking cheap beer holding a fishing pole over a hole in the ice."

- jmatchett383

Never been ice fishing but I do duck hunt and my guess is that it's the social aspect of it that is the draw. Sit around and drink beer without the WAG's nagging. Fish are a bonus.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Apr 21 @ 1:14 PM ET
They need a structure on what they want the team identity to be and follow through with it. Shero was terrible with that and would randomly acquire players/make roster decisions without any purpose. Rutherford could have also been better in that regard, but one year is difficult to make the transformation.
- jfkst1


While he has made some bad decisions (Despres for Lovejoy), GMJR was saddled with some tough circumstances left behind by our last GM. No cap room, few assets to deal ... in need of a top six forward and so on. His cheap additions (Comeau and Downie) worked out as much as one could ever believed.

I think the players JR has acquired did serve a purpose, unlike Shero's MO.

They need structure, balance and an influx of young talent as well as a rebuilding of the way business is done (not trading away valuable picks for rentals).
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