You wan't McDavid, go learn how to build a proper team.
- Herzeleid

If Murray does something stupid and gut our team I'm going to be pissed

Listen, all I'm saying is if Tim Murray made moves to make the Buffalo Sabres a better team, I trust him. I think we do well as far as the Kane trade moving forward and he didn't disappoint with the other trades he made. Whatever happens, happens. McDavid or Eichel, I trust Tim Murray in building our team. He's done great so far.

If you don't think they're not going to ask for Sam back you're crazy

It will be risto, 2015 first 2016 and Sam maybe more

I don't want to touch this at all
- gerbe75pts

Any other team I'd agree.. but they all ready have a Sam type player and a proven one at that.. hypothetically speaking..

RNH Eichel and Girgensons makes a lot more sense than RNH Eichel Reinhart. On a 3rd line. I agree you'd expect to have to give up Reinhart but if the Oilers look at it in a strageic way they'd ask for Girgensons and make us throw in extra for not asking for Reinhart

You want Connor McDavid kiss Super Sam goodbye to start
- gerbe75pts

id assume risto to start.

i really dont think the oil would be that interested in reinhart to be honest. or as the main piece coming back for mcdavid.
no slight to him, but hes much in the mold of nuge and kinda redundant.
solid two way guy, but kinda slight in stature. not a real physical guy.
and since the oil already have draisaitl (whether sam is better is not is debateable, but leons huge frame and style of play downlow is really exciting in terms of oiler needs)

and aside from sam, if the oilers were to deal, i dont see why they go for another center. theyll want defence and goaltending

The only place Hodgson deserves to be a 2nd line winger on a playoff challenging team is in the AHL. Grigerenko hasn't proven enough to me that he deserves to be an anchor on a 2nd line.

Murray has publicly stated multiple times he's going to try and make a trade on day 1 of draft. Its clearly for a winger or maybe a goalie though I'd prefer it be a winger.
- bluengold12

2 years removed from leading the team in pts and now he's worthless. You said we just need a winger for next year? He'd be perfect for next year.

What's that? Grigs hasn't proven enough to play on the 2nd line? Let's continue playing him on the 3rd with no PP minutes. That'll help.

If Edmonton is smart they would gut our team first get two of our very good prospects. Plus or two first

Then they trade Jack Eichel to Arizona for OEL plus their prospects and first etc

Edmonton would build their team like that

Any other team I'd agree.. but they all ready have a Sam type player and a proven one at that.. hypothetically speaking..

RNH Eichel and Girgensons makes a lot more sense than RNH Eichel Reinhart. On a 3rd line. I agree you'd expect to have to give up Reinhart but if the Oilers look at it in a strageic way they'd ask for Girgensons and make us throw in extra for not asking for Reinhart
- bluengold12

as i mentioned, i think its the defender, but well said.
you got this in before i could reply

The only place Hodgson deserves to be a 2nd line winger on a playoff challenging team is in the AHL. Grigerenko hasn't proven enough to me that he deserves to be an anchor on a 2nd line.

Murray has publicly stated multiple times he's going to try and make a trade on day 1 of draft. Its clearly for a winger or maybe a goalie though I'd prefer it be a winger.
- bluengold12

It should be a winger. It's been proven time and again goalies are replaceable right now in the NHL. We wanted to build around Miller and look how that turned out. Look at Crawford and Howard in the playoffs right now and how "elite" their status is.

Point is you build offense and defense first, Goalies just need to be good enough.

2 years removed from leading the team in pts and now he's worthless. You said we just need a winger for next year? He'd be perfect for next year.

What's that? Grigs hasn't proven enough to play on the 2nd line? Let's continue playing him on the 3rd with no PP minutes. That'll help.


- Herzeleid

I meant for next year, meaning production now! Not later. I don't trust Hodgson at all anymore. He's lost it. Maybe he can gain it back by starting on 3rd line but I want him nowhere near the top 2 lines unless you want to sit through 82 more games of suffering. As for Grigerenko. I'm a big supporter of him but I also want another proven winger on this team. Ennis Eichel Kane. That sounds like a 1st line. Moulson Reinhart and Grigerenko while in terms of potential could be nice doesn't sound as appealing as it would be with ROR there or a similar player.

If Edmonton is smart they would gut our team first get two of our very good prospects. Plus or two first

Then they trade Jack Eichel to Arizona for OEL plus their prospects and first etc

Edmonton would build their team like that
- gerbe75pts

Darcy? Making a blockbuster move? Come on, now

as i mentioned, i think its the defender, but well said.
you got this in before i could reply
- Ihateallofu

Thanks but I was all ready including demanding Risto in the discussion. Something like Risto Girgensons both 1sts this year plus next years 1sts. And that still might not get it done.

Darcy? Making a blockbuster move? Come on, now
- awildmudkip

Edmonton has a chance to build a Stanley Cup contender by trading down twice let's see if they can do it

Darcy? Making a blockbuster move? Come on, now
- awildmudkip

maloney might.

depending on stoked on strome they are, might be able to really gut them for mcdavid. theyre desperate for a 1c.
while u guys get eichel, u already had an elite center prospect in reinhart.
theyre best center is hanzal. hes good and a quality two way 2c. but no superstar 1

It should be a winger. It's been proven time and again goalies are replaceable right now in the NHL. We wanted to build around Miller and look how that turned out. Look at Crawford and Howard in the playoffs right now and how "elite" their status is.

Point is you build offense and defense first, Goalies just need to be good enough.
- awildmudkip

I agree. I want a winger too. We have no quality wing depth. I was just playing devil's advocate here and saying I could see Murray trading for a young goalie or a winger. I prefer winger big time.

Thanks but I was all ready including demanding Risto in the discussion. Something like Risto Girgensons both 1sts this year plus next years 1sts. And that still might not get it done.
- bluengold12

And that's where we should draw the line (frank) that poop

And that's where we should draw the line (frank) that poop
- gerbe75pts

I'd do it if it means were getting the next Mario or 99.

maloney might.

depending on stoked on strome they are, might be able to really gut them for mcdavid. theyre desperate for a 1c.
while u guys get eichel, u already had an elite center prospect in reinhart.
theyre best center is hanzal. hes good and a quality two way 2c. but no superstar 1
- Ihateallofu

But you could gut two teams at one time and end up with 8 new players and a new plus first-round picks

I'd do it if it means were getting the next Mario or 99.
- bluengold12

I'm fine with jack

I meant for next year, meaning production now! Not later. I don't trust Hodgson at all anymore. He's lost it. Maybe he can gain it back by starting on 3rd line but I want him nowhere near the top 2 lines unless you want to sit through 82 more games of suffering. As for Grigerenko. I'm a big supporter of him but I also want another proven winger on this team. Ennis Eichel Kane. That sounds like a 1st line. Moulson Reinhart and Grigerenko while in terms of potential could be nice doesn't sound as appealing as it would be with ROR there or a similar player.
- bluengold12

He would still most likely be good playing with good players again (Hodgson) and Grigs would deffs look good after finally getting to play with good players.

But the main part is, we shouldn't be trading D for forwards we don't need.

Edmonton has a chance to build a Stanley Cup contender by trading down twice let's see if they can do it
- gerbe75pts

this is based on the assumption that both buffalo and arizona re willing to offer huge packages.

its all conjecture. if mact didnt, we couldnt call it some failure to make a move.
unless he came out publicly and said such.

much like the posts that mact hasnt traded any of the other firsts as a failure (yaks is the only reasonable one--we were desperate for both nuge and hall at the time), who knows for sure that he was offered anything decent?

guesswork becomes fact far too often. we dont know

He would still most likely be good playing with good players again (Hodgson) and Grigs would deffs look good after finally getting to play with good players.

But the main part is, we shouldn't be trading D for forwards we don't need.
- Herzeleid

We do need the forwards though. We lack a true 2nd line winger. Who knows if Moulson will return to form again. Hodgson is a defensive nightmare and that's when he's playing well. Grigs is a mystery like I've said in past. I'm not comfortable living in the mysterious. This team needs some overhaul if they aren't going to be last again.. Cutting dead wait of Benoit Mezaros and maybe Kaleta will help but having Gionta or Hodgson in the top 2 lines does you no good. We need to bring in a new winger. An exciting guy with NHL experience.

maloney might.

depending on stoked on strome they are, might be able to really gut them for mcdavid. theyre desperate for a 1c.
while u guys get eichel, u already had an elite center prospect in reinhart.
theyre best center is hanzal. hes good and a quality two way 2c. but no superstar 1
- Ihateallofu

well, see that's the thing about a funny 3 way trade scenario. If Edmonton's main squeeze is building a contending roster NOW and moving forward, they move down two spots. But who's the main target? Ekman-Larsson or Ristolainen? Plus they still get #3 overall.

But you could gut two teams at one time and end up with 8 new players and a new plus first-round picks
- gerbe75pts

id assume at the very least, hed consider it.

but just the term "gut" implies how much said gm is giving up.

im nit saying one way or another if its worth it, but when uve got a player like jack eichel to fall back on and for free, u need to be smart with your assets

this is based on the assumption that both buffalo and arizona re willing to offer huge packages.

its all conjecture. if mact didnt, we couldnt call it some failure to make a move.
unless he came out publicly and said such.

much like the posts that mact hasnt traded any of the other firsts as a failure (yaks is the only reasonable one--we were desperate for both nuge and hall at the time), who knows for sure that he was offered anything decent?

guesswork becomes fact far too often. we dont know
- Ihateallofu

I honestly think Murray's going to do something stupid and Arizona needs a franchise player or their franchises is cooked and moved so you have two teams that are (frank)ing desperate

well, see that's the thing about a funny 3 way trade scenario. If Edmonton's main squeeze is building a contending roster NOW and moving forward, they move down two spots. But who's the main target? Ekman-Larsson or Ristolainen? Plus they still get #3 overall.
- awildmudkip

between the two?

it would have to be oel


as far as the 3 way, maybe we could get both