The Oilers were 25th out of 30 teams last year in goals per game. The Rangers were 18th.

I base Perron being a better goal scorer by the fact that he has more 20+ goal seasons than Stepan, and when put on a competitive team, scored 4 fewer goals than Stepan in 25 less games.
- cap1681

I think the perception is that if you have more goals then a particular player, the comparable player is a worse player because of it. Which is not true. That's the sense Im getting from this whole thing

Sooooo, playmaking and assists aren't part of offense? Because Perron isn't even in the same category when you wanna talk about passing and playmaking and vision. And no one ever said anything about Stepan being god sent, he is an extremely good 2 way player with great playmaking ability. YOU are the one thats making Perron out to be god like offense, when he isn't even close. We are simply pointing out that Perron hasn't proven himself to be anymore of a stronger offensive threat than Stepan.
- xcheckmajor

Stepan is a first line center. Not elite by any means but the production he puts up and the situations he plays in (literally all...PP, PK, down a goal with a minute left, up a goal with a minute left) makes me believe he's a 1st line player. His IQ is off the charts.

Perron is a good winger. I don't watch him enough to label him a 1st or 2nd line winger but he's definitely a top 6 player. He's also a player that the fans on this board have been calling useless for the past month.

He had 3 points in the series last year. None since game 3.

For Crosby's standards, this is being shut down pretty well.
- rangerdanger94

You said "over the past few years" so I assumed you were talking regular season since you've only played him once in the playoffs previously.

Stepan is a first line center. Not elite by any means but the production he puts up and the situations he plays in (literally all...PP, PK, down a goal with a minute left, up a goal with a minute left) makes me believe he's a 1st line player. His IQ is off the charts.

Perron is a good winger. I don't watch him enough to label him a 1st or 2nd line winger but he's definitely a top 6 player. He's also a player that the fans on this board have been calling useless for the past month.
- rangerdanger94

We've called almost everyone on the team useless the past month though.

You said "over the past few years" so I assumed you were talking regular season since you've only played him once in the playoffs previously.
- jmatchett383

I didn't realize he put up those points against us like that all those years to be honest.

F crosby

I think the perception is that if you have more goals then a particular player, the comparable player is a worse player because of it. Which is not true. That's the sense Im getting from this whole thing
- Slimtj100

I'm not saying Stepan is a bad goal scorer, and i'm not even saying Perron is a better player than Stepan. I've been arguing that Perron is a better goal scorer than Stepan.

We've called almost everyone on the team useless the past month though.
- Guile

And they have been

And they have been
- rangerdanger94

Still better than Glass

I'm not saying Stepan is a bad goal scorer, and i'm not even saying Perron is a better player than Stepan. I've been arguing that Perron is a better goal scorer than Stepan.
- cap1681

Perron is a better goal scorer.

Stepan has a wicked shot but he hardly uses it.

I'm not saying Stepan is a bad goal scorer, and i'm not even saying Perron is a better player than Stepan. I've been arguing that Perron is a better goal scorer than Stepan.
- cap1681

I know your not lol.

Corsi's will be done, amen
- Guile

Clean slate, regardless of the series outcome, I see no need we can't all talk hockey like the fine gentlemen I know most of us are.

I didn't realize he put up those points against us like that all those years to be honest.

F crosby
- rangerdanger94

Not doing a direct comparison by any means, but he's kinda like Gretzky in that way. Sometimes, you go through a game thinking you did a good job against him and the realize he had a goal and 2 assists.

Still better than Glass
- Guile

Adams 0 goals in 63 games; Lapierre 0 in 35; Bennett 1 in 33; Spaling 0 in 26; Kunitz 1 in 21; Comeau 1 in 18.

I don't know how much better than Glass they are.....

Perron is a better goal scorer.

Stepan has a wicked shot but he hardly uses it.
- rangerdanger94

Stepan is a much better passer and creates a lot more offense. Perron's a better finisher with the puck on his stick.

Clean slate, regardless of the series outcome, I see no need we can't all talk hockey like the fine gentlemen I know most of us are.
- MidnightMarauder

(frank) you and your Oilers theft!

/sarcasm

Adams 0 goals in 63 games; Lapierre 0 in 35; Bennett 1 in 33; Spaling 0 in 26; Kunitz 1 in 21; Comeau 1 in 18.

I don't know how much better than Glass they are.....
- rangerdanger94

Glass has 1 goal, and cost more than Adams, comeau, and lap. Spaling and Kunitz beat him for the season immensely.

So, you skew the sample size, but I'm not an idiot. Still better than Glass.

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I'm not saying Stepan is a bad goal scorer, and i'm not even saying Perron is a better player than Stepan. I've been arguing that Perron is a better goal scorer than Stepan.
- cap1681

Well, like I said, maybe to the eye based on the who looks better when they have the puck. But until he actual produces it I will say they are the same. I do think that Perron have 9 NHL seasons of experience and Stepan having 5 is still important. There are plenty of players who play on bad teams that if they are good goal scorers they can still produce. Stepan may have played only for the Rangers but his production is consistent no matter if he plays in a low scoring shot blocking Tortorella system or a high flying offensive AV system. Stepan is a 70pt player by average who can probably become an 80pt. player.

Stepan is a much better passer and creates a lot more offense. Perron's a better finisher with the puck on his stick.
- jmatchett383

Stepan gets clutch goals too tho. I honestly have no idea if Perron does or has.

(frank) you and your Oilers theft!

/sarcasm
- jmatchett383

Don't forget the Hawks, brah!

Glass has 1 goal, and cost more than Adams, comeau, and lap. Spaling and Kunitz beat him for the season immensely.

So, you skew the sample size, but I'm not an idiot. Still better than Glass.
- Guile

Glass has 6 goals in his last 181 games(last 3 seasons).....

Stepan gets clutch goals too tho. I honestly have no idea if Perron does or has.
- Slimtj100

Perron hasn't seen the second round of a playoff series. He might have been pretty clutch in the world juniors for Team Cananda, though.

Not doing a direct comparison by any means, but he's kinda like Gretzky in that way. Sometimes, you go through a game thinking you did a good job against him and the realize he had a goal and 2 assists.
- jmatchett383

Very accurate. There are times where he's invisible and you check the box score and see he's put up 0 points and 0 shots. Then the next game he's invisible and you check the box score and he had a 3 point game.

Well, like I said, maybe to the eye based on the who looks better when they have the puck. But until he actual produces it I will say they are the same. I do think that Perron have 9 NHL seasons of experience and Stepan having 5 is still important. There are plenty of players who play on bad teams that if they are good goal scorers they can still produce. Stepan may have played only for the Rangers but his production is consistent no matter if he plays in a low scoring shot blocking Tortorella system or a high flying offensive AV system. Stepan is a 70pt player by average who can probably become an 80pt. player.
- xcheckmajor

Rick Nash once scored 41 goals on a Columbus team that went 25-45-8-4. The good players will always produce.

Not doing a direct comparison by any means, but he's kinda like Gretzky in that way. Sometimes, you go through a game thinking you did a good job against him and the realize he had a goal and 2 assists.
- jmatchett383

Where's that one guy from last year that bragged about his team shutting Crosby down, after Crosby had two or three points?