Perrone 129 goals in 499 games .26 goals per game

Stepan 89 goals in 362 games .25 goals per game

This is Perron's 9TH NHL season

This is Stepans 5TH NHL season

I still challenge your statement that Perron is even a superior goal scorer.

Like I said, you wanna talk entertaining and exciting to watch because he is offensively oriented and has better hands...great, enjoy watching him. I think Stepan is better in every way because he has superior positioning, superior hockey IQ which puts him in places to score. Give Stepan another 4 more years and lets compare his first 9 year production to Perron's 9 year production now. I'd be surprised if Stepan didn't double Perron's numbers.
- xcheckmajor

Its not really an ideal comparison... Stepan has been with only the Rangers, who have made the playoffs every year hes been there. Thats a good quality team for Stepan, despite my disliking you guys.

Perron's teams have missed more playoffs than hes gone to. 4 for 9 including this year. Thats not ideal for someone to flourish.

Perrone 129 goals in 499 games .26 goals per game

Stepan 89 goals in 362 games .25 goals per game

This is Perron's 9TH NHL season

This is Stepans 5TH NHL season

I still challenge your statement that Perron is even a superior goal scorer.

Like I said, you wanna talk entertaining and exciting to watch because he is offensively oriented and has better hands...great, enjoy watching him. I think Stepan is better in every way because he has superior positioning, superior hockey IQ which puts him in places to score. Give Stepan another 4 more years and lets compare his first 9 year production to Perron's 9 year production now. I'd be surprised if Stepan didn't double Perron's numbers.
- xcheckmajor

In fairness, Perron lost a season and a half to concussion issues when he was playing with the Blues.

I don't know why you are taking such offense to people saying Perron is a better goal scorer than Stepan.

Stepan plays defense I'm not sure Perron has ever been in his own Dzone
- Slimtj100

What does that have to do with goal scoring???

I said eariler that Stepan is a better all around player than Perron, but that Perron is a better goal scorer.

Its not really an ideal comparison... Stepan has been with only the Rangers, who have made the playoffs every year hes been there. Thats a good quality team for Stepan, despite my disliking you guys.

Perron's teams have missed more playoffs than hes gone to. 4 for 9 including this year. Thats not ideal for someone to flourish.
- Guile

But Perron played on offensively oriented teams that scored. Winning isn't always equating to high offense. Stepan played on goal scoring challenged Tortorella teams for the first 3 years of his career where goal scoring was terrible. Rangers ranked below Edmonton I believe in total goals scored. Edmonton just gave up a ton goals. Just to point out, kitty keeps talking about that 28 goals season Perron had with Edmonton. Perron has also had the luxury of playing with RNH, Taylor Hall, Malkin, Crosby. And here we are still with Stepan having better numbers over the past 5 years.

I'm still really curious, what gives you the idea that Perron is better than Stepan, even with goal scoring??? Because he's fancy with the puck?

Its not really an ideal comparison... Stepan has been with only the Rangers, who have made the playoffs every year hes been there. Thats a good quality team for Stepan, despite my disliking you guys.

Perron's teams have missed more playoffs than hes gone to. 4 for 9 including this year. Thats not ideal for someone to flourish.
- Guile

This is true. However, Edmonton never had an issue scoring goals with their better players. Their defense/goaltending were atrocious, and their depth makes the current Penguins team look like the 96/97 Red Wings.

What does that have to do with goal scoring???

I said eariler that Stepan is a better all around player than Perron, but that Perron is a better goal scorer.
- cap1681

Didn't mean to single you out, so I apolgize. It was last post on the subject .

I've been seeing he's a better all around player tho.

But Perron played on offensively oriented teams that scored. Winning isn't always equating to high offense. Stepan played on goal scoring challenged Tortorella teams for the first 3 years of his career where goal scoring was terrible. Rangers ranked below Edmonton I believe in total goals scored. Edmonton just gave up a ton goals. Just to point out, kitty keeps talking about that 28 goals season Perron had with Edmonton. Perron has also had the luxury of playing with RNH, Taylor Hall, Malkin, Crosby. And here we are still with Stepan having better numbers over the past 5 years.
- xcheckmajor

So... you have all of Perron's linemates documented? I can't exactly find that data instantly, but quite a bold statement to put him on the top line for his entire career. Or his half season here being a big factor in 9 seasons?

Come on man, thats as weak as kitty's "arguments".

These charts are ridiculous. Anyone that's watched pens and Rangers over the last few years know that we shut Crosby down very well - McDonagh, Girardi, Staal, whoever - and Malkin destroys us no matter who we put up against him.

Whoa whoa whoa, back up now... hold the phone. Let's get this straight. We have David Perron, Hornqvist, Kunitz ON TOP OF Crosby and Malkin... now you are making the argument that you have better wingers... Yes you have St. Louis, yes you have Nash.. but you also have guys like Stepan, JT Miller, Kreider, etc. Guys who to not match up skill wise to Perron, Hornqvist, and Kunitz... they just do not period. So you cannot say that forward wise you outgun us because truthfully you guys are not impressive at forward. Now if you want to talk about your defense and goaltending than yes you have a huge advantage in that area. But to say you have better wingers and that they "outweigh" Malkin and Crosby and thus are forward unit in general... sorry you are sadly mistaken. We have far improved at the forward position in terms of skill as compared to last year (whether we have positive results from that right now or not). Don't get too romancy with the regular season; if the Rangers have this mindset against the Pens to under estimate the forward unit you will surely pay.
- Kittyblender1

We're getting off point. You can think Perron is better than Stepan all you want. I and most will disagree. Your statement above is what we were originally debating and I stand firm with my statement that Crosby and Malkin are the 2 best forwards in the league, beyond that, the Pens really get outmatched in every other aspect.

These charts are ridiculous. Anyone that's watched pens and Rangers over the last few years know that we shut Crosby down very well - McDonagh, Girardi, Staal, whoever - and Malkin destroys us no matter who we put up against him.
- rangerdanger94

The Pens are going to possess the puck into the net all series.

So... you have all of Perron's linemates documented? I can't exactly find that data instantly, but quite a bold statement to put him on the top line for his entire career. Or his half season here being a big factor in 9 seasons?

Come on man, thats as weak as kitty's "arguments".
- Guile

My arguments are weak because how do you explain something that is so obvious and so easily seen if you have watched both Perron and Stepan play... it baffles me that Stepan is all of a sudden god sent offensive skill. I have many friends who like the Flyers, the Rangers, and many other teams in our division. None of them agree that Stepan is better offensively; it just is not true. But none of this (frank)ing matters anyways. It was one little statement to say that our offense of unit is our strength and the Rangers cannot compare to our scoring ability. BUT they are superior in defense and goal tending; this is where their true strength lies. But sorry you can't compare their shallow top six (minus Nash and St Louis) to the Penguins.

These charts are ridiculous. Anyone that's watched pens and Rangers over the last few years know that we shut Crosby down very well - McDonagh, Girardi, Staal, whoever - and Malkin destroys us no matter who we put up against him.
- rangerdanger94

I don't know. He had 6 points in 4 games against NYR last year. 2 points in 3 games in 12/13. 5 points in 3 games in 11/12. Not bad numbers for a guy who's been "shut down very well."

So... you have all of Perron's linemates documented? I can't exactly find that data instantly, but quite a bold statement to put him on the top line for his entire career. Or his half season here being a big factor in 9 seasons?

Come on man, thats as weak as kitty's "arguments".
- Guile

That statement was in response to the general statement that Stepan was on really good Ranger teams. Neither comment is detailed with who Stepan or Perron played with every night. The fact is, even though Perron played on teams that didn't make the playoffs, he played on high caliber offense teams. And if we can't go and break things down into fine details, then the only we can go by is simply the production numbers. And Stepan wins there too. Not sure what foot you guys are standing on behind your claims.

The Pens are going to possess the puck into the net all series.
- Feds91Stammer

Pens in 3.

Dominic Moore has been successful at shutting down Sid
- brienstel

Daniel Winnick, Chris Kunitz, and Davis Perron have been more effective at shutting him down though.

The Pens are going to possess the puck into the net all series.
- Feds91Stammer

It's getting stupid. "Crosby has a 60% CF against McDonagh" who gives a fack he was shut down and scored 3 points in last years series despite that Corsi. Malkin just shat all over us no matter who we try to put up against him and it's very clear this is what happens almost every Rangers pens game.

Of all the things I expect to find when I paged through the comments, an argument lasting 5 pages about the virtues of Perron vs Stephan would have been in the bottom 2% or so...

I don't know. He had 6 points in 4 games against NYR last year. 2 points in 3 games in 12/13. 5 points in 3 games in 11/12. Not bad numbers for a guy who's been "shut down very well."
- jmatchett383

He had 3 points in the series last year. None since game 3.

For Crosby's standards, this is being shut down pretty well.

We're getting off point. You can think Perron is better than Stepan all you want. I and most will disagree. Your statement above is what we were originally debating and I stand firm with my statement that Crosby and Malkin are the 2 best forwards in the league, beyond that, the Pens really get outmatched in every other aspect.
- xcheckmajor

I would much rather have Stepan than Perron

Of all the things I expect to find when I paged through the comments, and argument lasting 5 pages about the virtues of Perron vs Stephan would have been in the bottom 2% or so...
- Emperor Filonius

But Perron played on offensively oriented teams that scored. Winning isn't always equating to high offense. Stepan played on goal scoring challenged Tortorella teams for the first 3 years of his career where goal scoring was terrible. Rangers ranked below Edmonton I believe in total goals scored. Edmonton just gave up a ton goals. Just to point out, kitty keeps talking about that 28 goals season Perron had with Edmonton. Perron has also had the luxury of playing with RNH, Taylor Hall, Malkin, Crosby. And here we are still with Stepan having better numbers over the past 5 years.

I'm still really curious, what gives you the idea that Perron is better than Stepan, even with goal scoring??? Because he's fancy with the puck?
- xcheckmajor

The Oilers were 25th out of 30 teams last year in goals per game. The Rangers were 18th.

I base Perron being a better goal scorer by the fact that he has more 20+ goal seasons than Stepan, and when put on a competitive team, scored 4 fewer goals than Stepan in 25 less games.

My arguments are weak because how do you explain something that is so obvious and so easily seen if you have watched both Perron and Stepan play... it baffles me that Stepan is all of a sudden god sent offensive skill. I have many friends who like the Flyers, the Rangers, and many other teams in our division. None of them agree that Stepan is better offensively; it just is not true. But none of this (frank)ing matters anyways. It was one little statement to say that our offense of unit is our strength and the Rangers cannot compare to our scoring ability. BUT they are superior in defense and goal tending; this is where their true strength lies. But sorry you can't compare their shallow top six (minus Nash and St Louis) to the Penguins.
- Kittyblender1

They're different players. Stepan is better at passing while Perron is a better goal scorer.

Pens in 3.
- MidnightMarauder

Corsi's will be done, amen

My arguments are weak because how do you explain something that is so obvious and so easily seen if you have watched both Perron and Stepan play... it baffles me that Stepan is all of a sudden god sent offensive skill. I have many friends who like the Flyers, the Rangers, and many other teams in our division. None of them agree that Stepan is better offensively; it just is not true. But none of this (frank)ing matters anyways. It was one little statement to say that our offense of unit is our strength and the Rangers cannot compare to our scoring ability. BUT they are superior in defense and goal tending; this is where their true strength lies. But sorry you can't compare their shallow top six (minus Nash and St Louis) to the Penguins.
- Kittyblender1

Sooooo, playmaking and assists aren't part of offense? Because Perron isn't even in the same category when you wanna talk about passing and playmaking and vision. And no one ever said anything about Stepan being god sent, he is an extremely good 2 way player with great playmaking ability. YOU are the one thats making Perron out to be god like offense, when he isn't even close. We are simply pointing out that Perron hasn't proven himself to be anymore of a stronger offensive threat than Stepan.

It's getting stupid. "Crosby has a 60% CF against McDonagh" who gives a fack he was shut down and scored 3 points in last years series despite that Corsi. Malkin just shat all over us no matter who we try to put up against him and it's very clear this is what happens almost every Rangers pens game.
- rangerdanger94

Hey now, we're the only ones who are allowed to be indignant about Mr Wilson's constant us of fancy stats and their actual questionable relevance to real world results. Consider yourselves lucky that this blog didn't have any charts and graphs for you to decipher.