I'm not really high on Gelly or Merrill, but we are talking about the defensive position and I think it's safe to say Merrill will be a quicker fix defensively than Gelly. We basically had to teach Gelly from start to finish since he got here on the D game, while merrill has the smarts, he just needs to wake up sometimes. Lars and Merrill both look a little too calm and sometimes it leads to mistakes, but I trust Lars calmness and don't trust Merrills. If we can get him to be more aware and actually turn into the next andy greene we all hope he will then it'll be a great scenario for years. Whats the best Gelly turns into? Sheldon Souray? I'd trade gelly in a heartbeat if it meant a forward of similar age with upside. But that said I'm not a big fan of Merrill either, so if we move one of these guys for a forward I'll be very pleased (depending on what forward it is of course). will be interesting to see what we can get if these dominoes actually fall
- SteveJ123

With Severson, Greene, Merrill and Larsson out there it will be the calmest D in the NHL. We will need Santini or someone to come in and be an animal.

I'm not really high on Gelly or Merrill, but we are talking about the defensive position and I think it's safe to say Merrill will be a quicker fix defensively than Gelly. We basically had to teach Gelly from start to finish since he got here on the D game, while merrill has the smarts, he just needs to wake up sometimes. Lars and Merrill both look a little too calm and sometimes it leads to mistakes, but I trust Lars calmness and don't trust Merrills. If we can get him to be more aware and actually turn into the next andy greene we all hope he will then it'll be a great scenario for years. Whats the best Gelly turns into? Sheldon Souray? I'd trade gelly in a heartbeat if it meant a forward of similar age with upside. But that said I'm not a big fan of Merrill either, so if we move one of these guys for a forward I'll be very pleased (depending on what forward it is of course). will be interesting to see what we can get if these dominoes actually fall
- SteveJ123

Merril is a safe 5-6 d man nothing more. He is mark fayne not the next Andy Greene IMO. I could care less if he doesn't play defender there is a player like that on almost every team and we need scoring not defense mmm the never ending problem of shoving nothing defense done our throats has us actually thinking every player signed to a contract needs to be a defensive stalwart or they can player here. When 99 % of your team is defense oriented there is plenty of room to clear out defense guys and infuse offense that's how goals are scored or I've seen very few scored while trying to keep the other team from scoring all game. Same crap with the forwards oh he isn't defensive enough he needs to work on his two way game because we struggle so mich to keep pucks out of our net that we need to ship of offensive players to make room for more defensive ones. I honestly don't know what has happened its like everyone has gone defense crazy.

Seriously dude ? I would be hard pressed to give up a young defenseman who is mobile big and can shoot plus a high second in a deep draft for eberle let alone creaking teddy Purcell (frank) you would need to give us a second to take him.
- blizzzard

For Eberle? Man, Gelinas isn't even proven to be consistent for a season yet. Sure he has the assets and tools, but he hasn't had a breakout season (By that, I mean that he hasn't posted high numbers, especially since he is more of an offensive defender; 29 points in 61 games (2013-2014) isn't a breakout season and therefore comparing his value to Eberle's is an insult to Eberle) Also note that Gelinas is a high risk, high reward. So giving up Eberle , our top RW'er for that is way too risky.

Now I understand the confusion with that other offer, so let me clear it up.

Gelinas + 2nd (2016) for Purcell + Future considerations or maybe a 3rd (2015 or 2016)

But for Eberle? You just made my day.

For Eberle? Man, Gelinas isn't even proven to be consistent for a season yet. Sure he ha the assets and tools, but he hasn't had a breakout season. Also note that Gelinas is a high risk, high reward. So giving up Eberle , our top RW'er for that is way too risky.

Now I understand the confusion with that other offer, so let me clear it up.

Gelinas + 2nd (2016) for Purcell + Future considerations or maybe a 3rd

But for Eberle? You just made my day.
- EdmHockeyMan

Because young defense man who have produced that much are moved for pennies. A winger is a nothing piece man no one builds around a winger a young defense man who can produce and has that high reward is valuable plus a second and let's not forget Gelinas plays on a defensive minded team and a team that has been about 2 and 3 the last two seasons for fewest goals scored. For a 60 pt soft winger who bring little to no intangibles to boost his value so what's so funny about it ?

For Eberle? Man, Gelinas isn't even proven to be consistent for a season yet. Sure he has the assets and tools, but he hasn't had a breakout season (By that, I mean that he hasn't posted high numbers, especially since he is more of an offensive defender; 29 points in 61 games (2013-2014) isn't a breakout season and therefore comparing his value to Eberle's is an insult to Eberle) Also note that Gelinas is a high risk, high reward. So giving up Eberle , our top RW'er for that is way too risky.

Now I understand the confusion with that other offer, so let me clear it up.

Gelinas + 2nd (2016) for Purcell + Future considerations or maybe a 3rd (2015 or 2016)

But for Eberle? You just made my day.
- EdmHockeyMan

Let's just say eberle is a 45 pt player on the Devils and I wouldn't give up Gelinas and a second for him. If you don't think he will pan out that is fine but I think there are teams who would offer more for just him.

What would Gelinas +2nd rd pick bring is an interesting question. I am not sure.

What would Gelinas +2nd rd pick bring is an interesting question. I am not sure.
- ChuckNJ

It is for sure. I think to many people think every team is going to hold him to nj devil defense standards but there are plenty of teams in the NHL who do not require someone to be a beast defensively for them to find value not every team runs the same as the Devils. With that said I think he can get a very solid return and an exceptional one with a second rounder added in.

I just think if he is being shopped per say that it is to early because now teams think we don't want him and will push hard to knock Lou's price down. Be better to wait to the draft to speak about it to try and get the fullest value.

Merril is a safe 5-6 d man nothing more. He is mark fayne not the next Andy Greene IMO. I could care less if he doesn't play defender there is a player like that on almost every team and we need scoring not defense mmm the never ending problem of shoving nothing defense done our throats has us actually thinking every player signed to a contract needs to be a defensive stalwart or they can player here. When 99 % of your team is defense oriented there is plenty of room to clear out defense guys and infuse offense that's how goals are scored or I've seen very few scored while trying to keep the other team from scoring all game. Same crap with the forwards oh he isn't defensive enough he needs to work on his two way game because we struggle so mich to keep pucks out of our net that we need to ship of offensive players to make room for more defensive ones. I honestly don't know what has happened its like everyone has gone defense crazy.
- blizzzard

I hate that you're kinda pushing me to defend Merrill because I really don't want to, but dude is 23 and you're writing him off as a bottom pair dman. I'm not gunna say he'll become a top pairing d man but i'm certainly not going to say he'll ONLY be a bottom paring d man

I hate that you're kinda pushing me to defend Merrill because I really don't want to, but dude is 23 and you're writing him off as a bottom pair dman. I'm not gunna say he'll become a top pairing d man but i'm certainly not going to say he'll ONLY be a bottom paring d man
- SteveJ123

I don't know what you guys see in him he is reliable that's it. I get he was a college draft pick and we all love them but I've been underwhelmed with him from day one ( at least from what I was expecting from all the hype )

Gel + 6th (if we stay there) to Col for ROR + 9th?

Gel + 6th to TO for 4th and iffy prospect?

If he gets moved, yeah, I'm looking at the draft for manoeuvring, depending on what happens on Saturday (lottery)...

Any other options?
- archromat

Yes to the colorado deal

Gelinas + 2nd for Purcell?

He is a proven top 6 guy who would really increase your offense. Just seems that he ain't finding his grove in Edmonton at the moment. Not to mention we have lots offense right now.

Gelinas would be a great addition for us. Shame that he has been benched way too often.
- EdmHockeyMan

No

I don't know what you guys see in him he is reliable that's it. I get he was a college draft pick and we all love them but I've been underwhelmed with him from day one ( at least from what I was expecting from all the hype )
- blizzzard

Everyone was underwhelmed when he first played and bashed his damn forehead on the boards and was immediately out for an extended period with a face laceration. I felt bad for him, not the way you want to make a debut.

I just think if he is being shopped per say that it is to early because now teams think we don't want him and will push hard to knock Lou's price down. Be better to wait to the draft to speak about it to try and get the fullest value.
- blizzzard

Can he be packaged with a pick between now and Saturday or no?

I don't know what you guys see in him he is reliable that's it. I get he was a college draft pick and we all love them but I've been underwhelmed with him from day one ( at least from what I was expecting from all the hype )
- blizzzard

I'll take reliable over sketchy any day of the week. That being said, I completely agree as I too have been underwhelmed since he started. When push comes to shove, one of these guys needs to be traded and I'll be fine with either because I pretty much can't stand them both

Can he be packaged with a pick between now and Saturday or no?
- TRDevil

No but usually when you put a player on the block it gives other teams the advantage and not you. Why get rid of something if it's perfectly good and why openly try to get rid of something if it's good. He might not be able to be moved in the next few days but my bet is players who weren't known they where available go for more then ones that everyone knows is trying to be moved.

No but usually when you put a player on the block it gives other teams the advantage and not you. Why get rid of something if it's perfectly good and why openly try to get rid of something if it's good. He might not be able to be moved in the next few days but my bet is players who weren't known they where available go for more then ones that everyone knows is trying to be moved.
- blizzzard

Because we have an surplus of dmen and need forwards

No but usually when you put a player on the block it gives other teams the advantage and not you. Why get rid of something if it's perfectly good and why openly try to get rid of something if it's good. He might not be able to be moved in the next few days but my bet is players who weren't known they where available go for more then ones that everyone knows is trying to be moved.
- blizzzard

I can see that being the case. Lou did publicly announce that he was looking for two top six forwards so it is realistically the case that we don't want to move him but need forwards, not as bad as a we don't want him scenario, but I do see your point.

I also wonder if this isn't a back handed deterrent message for his players agents getting too pushy.

No but usually when you put a player on the block it gives other teams the advantage and not you. Why get rid of something if it's perfectly good and why openly try to get rid of something if it's good. He might not be able to be moved in the next few days but my bet is players who weren't known they where available go for more then ones that everyone knows is trying to be moved.
- blizzzard

Yes he can. He won't be, but it's not against the rules. The trade-deadline only matters for playoff-eligibility.

The most important thing you identified Cordell was that they absolutely cannot afford to strike out on this one. I am so tired of losing potential all stars because we want to make robots. Sheldon Souray should have never been able to walk away from this team. Defenseman have to be able to play the game that made them successful in the first place. I truly believe Gelinas will be a stud in this league and we will regret this for a long time. He's gonna laugh his way to the bank. Merrill is the one who should be traded. He's too small to be an effective stay at home. He's not physical enough. He's another Mark Fayne.

Imagine Gelly in Montreal with Subban....

For Eberle? Man, Gelinas isn't even proven to be consistent for a season yet. Sure he has the assets and tools, but he hasn't had a breakout season (By that, I mean that he hasn't posted high numbers, especially since he is more of an offensive defender; 29 points in 61 games (2013-2014) isn't a breakout season and therefore comparing his value to Eberle's is an insult to Eberle) Also note that Gelinas is a high risk, high reward. So giving up Eberle , our top RW'er for that is way too risky.

Now I understand the confusion with that other offer, so let me clear it up.

Gelinas + 2nd (2016) for Purcell + Future considerations or maybe a 3rd (2015 or 2016)

But for Eberle? You just made my day.
- EdmHockeyMan

adam larsson for jordan eberle stright up done deal.

Shall we throw in Henrique for Pateryn, too? Greene for Flynn?
- archromat

There was talk this almost happened at the deadline.
And when it comes to a trade it will never be 1 for one. Just saying I have a feeling this will happen.

Yes he can. He won't be, but it's not against the rules. The trade-deadline only matters for playoff-eligibility.
- CaptCrankypants

I wasn't sure what the rules are for non playoff team trades post-season. If that is the case it makes sense why he would be shopped.

adam larsson for jordan eberle stright up done deal.
- devfan30

Merril is a safe 5-6 d man nothing more. He is mark fayne not the next Andy Greene IMO. I could care less if he doesn't play defender there is a player like that on almost every team and we need scoring not defense mmm the never ending problem of shoving nothing defense done our throats has us actually thinking every player signed to a contract needs to be a defensive stalwart or they can player here. When 99 % of your team is defense oriented there is plenty of room to clear out defense guys and infuse offense that's how goals are scored or I've seen very few scored while trying to keep the other team from scoring all game. Same crap with the forwards oh he isn't defensive enough he needs to work on his two way game because we struggle so mich to keep pucks out of our net that we need to ship of offensive players to make room for more defensive ones. I honestly don't know what has happened its like everyone has gone defense crazy.
- blizzzard

I hear ya but our dmen chipped in a lot this year probably more than any Devils team i've seen and it really didn't help with us scoring. Merrill should pan out to be better than a 5-6 dman especially if Stevens stays on as an assistant to help with his development. I can see Gelinas being another Zid, pretty good offensively but not too good in his own end. They're both good players it just depends on what style you favor i guess.