If we can just give Craig Berube an All-Star cast, he'll probably get them in the playoffs. But that's only true of Craig Berube, other coaches have the same record regardless of the roster they have.
- jmatchett383

He did get pretty much the same roster to the playoffs last season.

He let in a softie


- Scoob

That in a nutshell is why scoring has been down for years. The goaltending is so much better now. It is literally night and day.

He did get pretty much the same roster to the playoffs last season.
- J35Bacher

So he's already regressing?

Don't worry. If you gave Berube an All-Star cast, he'd find ice time for Zac Rinaldo, somehow.
Related: I wonder how angry fans are gonna be if Berube gets extended, instead of fired today.
- johndewar

Wow, we got to page 3 before the first Rinaldo comment.

That in a nutshell is why scoring has been down for years. The goaltending is so much better now. It is literally night and day.
- MBFlyerfan

That game was 1-0, and that goal was scored off of a deflection from about 7 feet out. Not sure if that's the greatest example of why scoring is down today.

He did get pretty much the same roster to the playoffs last season.
- J35Bacher

Well......minus the team's best d-man from last year (Timonen) and his 1st line LW (Hartnell), I guess you could say he had the same roster as last season, but I think that's not quite being fair.

So he's already regressing?
- jmatchett383

He has coached 2 seasons.

He is 50/50.

1 playoff season

1 missed playoff season.

Can we accurately say how good Berube is as a coach after 2 seasons?

Myself I can't make that judgment off 2 seasons.

That game was 1-0, and that goal was scored off of a deflection from about 7 feet out. Not sure if that's the greatest example of why scoring is down today.
- jmatchett383

Really? Every goalie in this league would have been down in the butterfly flayed out giving lots more coverage. The situation in the game is irrelevant to my comment. The point was that no goalie plays a puck like that regardless of the situation.

That in a nutshell is why scoring has been down for years. The goaltending is so much better now. It is literally night and day.
- MBFlyerfan

It's hard to imagine that even a tiny guy like Arturs Irbe had NHL success in the '90's.

Now, these goaltenders seem to have to start at 6'3" even to get a look.

Thanks Bill. I wouldn't be upset to see Zepp as our back up next year. Nothing against Razor, but Zepp would be a decent option. Some folks like Neuvirth, but he lacks consistency, and mental endurance. For every one game of great play, he follows it with several stinkers. I have watched him develop with Washington, and he would let things easily get to him, and found it hard to let go. In addition, he would command a higher salary than most of the other available goalies, and I just don't think that he's worth it; we could spend the money elsewhere. Just a thought for next season.

He has coached 2 seasons.

He is 50/50.

1 playoff season

1 missed playoff season.

Can we accurately say how good Berube is as a coach after 2 seasons?

Myself I can't make that judgment off 2 seasons.
- J35Bacher

maybe we can't make judgement , but what would you rather do? Get a new coach that you know has credentials and NHL experience, or deal with berube and his dummy ways until we give him a good roster?

He has coached 2 seasons.

He is 50/50.

1 playoff season

1 missed playoff season.

Can we accurately say how good Berube is as a coach after 2 seasons?

Myself I can't make that judgment off 2 seasons.
- J35Bacher

He has 75 wins and 86 losses. Not good enough.

That in a nutshell is why scoring has been down for years. The goaltending is so much better now. It is literally night and day.
- MBFlyerfan

It's all relative. Everything is better now - skating, passing, shooting, goaltending, defense.

It's hard to imagine that even a tiny guy like Arturs Irbe had NHL success in the '90's.

Now, these goaltenders seem to have to start at 6'3" even to get a look.
- johndewar

Not only that, but could you imagine any goalie trying to stop a puck using that stand up style today? He would be out of the league in two minutes.

maybe we can't make judgement , but what would you rather do? Get a new coach that you know has credentials and NHL experience, or deal with berube and his dummy ways until we give him a good roster?
- benjichronic

What is ever best for the Flyers.

If they think a new voice is needed to get more from players like Couturier and Schenn and the young dmen then go for it.

If you think berube has started a good foundation and maybe some roster changes are whats needed then I am fine with that too.

I tend to think they will look for a new coach this offseason. But I also can't say Berube was the fault of this team. There are a more pressing problems then just Berube.

Really? Every goalie in this league would have been down in the butterfly flayed out giving lots more coverage. The situation in the game is irrelevant to my comment. The point was that no goalie plays a puck like that regardless of the situation.
- MBFlyerfan

I was just saying that maybe some of the Oilers-era Gretzky goals would have been better indicators as opposed to a puck that's deflected off a slapshot. If you're referencing a 1-0 game, not sure how much further down scoring could be, although I can say that Mason would end up losing it in a shootout.

It's all relative. Everything is better now - skating, passing, shooting, goaltending, defense.
- Scoob

Yes, but they still skate, pass, shoot and play defense relatively the same way, just better and faster.

The goaltending is completely different. Why is anyone arguing this? How can you not see that?

He has coached 2 seasons.

He is 50/50.

1 playoff season

1 missed playoff season.

Can we accurately say how good Berube is as a coach after 2 seasons?

Myself I can't make that judgment off 2 seasons.
- J35Bacher

No, but I would prefer a coach who has more sustained NHL success if he's available as opposed to a "who knows?"

He has 75 wins and 86 losses. Not good enough.
- MBFlyerfan

We need his full record so we can know if he's over/under .500

No, but I would prefer a coach who has more sustained NHL success if he's available as opposed to a "who knows?"
- jmatchett383

So then you have no interest in any of the AHL coaches like Jeff Blashill or Luke Richardson?


Not arguing. Just asking.

You only want an NHL coach?

Yes, but they still skate, pass, shoot and play defense relatively the same way, just better and faster.

The goaltending is completely different. Why is any arguing this? How can you not see that?
- MBFlyerfan

Relax, Frances. I'm not arguing. All I said was everything is better now, to which you agreed.

We need his full record so we can know if he's over/under .500


- Scoob

75-58-28

I will NEVER look at an OTL as anything other than a loss. I dont care if you got a point or not, you lost.

So then you have no interest in any of the AHL coaches like Jeff Blashill or Luke Richardson?


Not arguing. Just asking.

You only want an NHL coach?
- J35Bacher

I'd take a look at Steve Spott, honestly. He's been consistent as a head coach in juniors.

75-58-28
- MBFlyerfan

[does HB math] Over .500 He's a keeper.

I will NEVER look at an OTL as anything other than a loss. I dont care if you got a point or not, you lost.

I agree with you 100%

I agree with this. Honestly, nothing would shock me, with respect to what they might do with Berube after the Jeff Reese thing.

Can (should?) we read anything into the fact that Berube did not accompany the rest of the Flyers' brass to the Lehigh Valley game?

I'm not of the opinion that Berube is the problem, but I'm not convinced at this point that a different voice and mindset wouldn't be beneficial to some of the younger guys on the team that the franchise must make a decision on (Couturier and BSchenn) as well as getting more out of expensive, underperforming assets (VLC and AMac).
- johndewar

Maybe the Jeff Reese thing had nothing to do with Berube, and was an issue between Reese and Hextall?