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mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 15 @ 6:11 PM ET
Truthfully? I only expect them to add a 2/3 LW. That's it

If they aren't really interested in moving picks or young players, I mean, seriously. They aren't going to look much different

I'm not even mad -- I want them to make trades. I desperately wanted them to make trades, and I desperately want them to.

But Hextall keeps saying they won't, and since he didn't make any and he keeps saying he's not moving the currency that makes trades happen, well, what else is there?

- AllInForFlyers

There certainly won't be jobs to win in camp if trades aren't made.

I'm with you.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:12 PM ET
If you believe that Hextall is running things alone on this club by all means.

I don't think Snider and Holmgren are just there drooling in a corner.

- flyer_nutter


I'm sure that they talk, and they give counsel to Hextall. I'm also sure that financial matters have to be approved through Snider. As far as player moves, drafts, trades, etc. Hextall has full control and final say.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 15 @ 6:12 PM ET
He didn't pick this coach. He didn't pick these players. But their communications has continued to preach "he's a Flyer" as though "wanting to win" comes in one mediocre talent and tools package that you just have to live with. There are very few players who reach the NHL who don't want to win or don't have the mentality to compete. Let's identify the players with the most skill, speed, and, to some extent for some portion of the roster, size. Yes, you need to be feisty if you're little, but you sure as hell better be fast and have fabulous hockey instincts too, or you're going to fail no matter how big your heart is.
- bodiva88


EXACTLY -- it's not always about the X's and O's. Sometimes, it's about the Jimmys and Joes
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 15 @ 6:12 PM ET
Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli 5m5 minutes ago
Hextall: “If I’m looking back and the goalie had a great year, the coach must’ve done a good job with him, right?” #notatypo

- PhillySportsGuy

Kind of hard take him at his word. He denied having any involvement in roster decisions despite reporters being withing earshot when he blasted Berube for barely icing one of the kids(can't remember if it was Laughton or Ghost)

I think we're seeing some posturing by Hexy here. He knew the big talking point today would be the coach. All we learned today is that Hexy is supposedly very methodical when it comes to coaches and has a hands off approach when it comes to the roster. After some of the poop Homer and Snider have said and done over the last five years I sort of think this is needed in order to get talent to want to come here.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 15 @ 6:14 PM ET
Truthfully? I only expect them to add a 2/3 LW. That's it

If they aren't really interested in moving picks or young players, I mean, seriously. They aren't going to look much different

I'm not even mad -- I want them to make trades. I desperately wanted them to make trades, and I desperately want them to.

But Hextall keeps saying they won't, and since he didn't make any and he keeps saying he's not moving the currency that makes trades happen, well, what else is there?

- AllInForFlyers


I think they can reshuffle the defense a little too. It's just impossible to tell what kind of pieces they can move.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Apr 15 @ 6:14 PM ET
I'm sure that they talk, and they give counsel to Hextall. I'm also sure that financial matters have to be approved through Snider. As far as player moves, drafts, trades, etc. Hextall has full control and final say.
- MJL


Palpatine: Snider
Maul: Holmgren

I picture Hextall as a young Anakin before he has been turned. Berube is (frank)ing Jar Jar.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:14 PM ET
Truthfully? I only expect them to add a 2/3 LW. That's it

If they aren't really interested in moving picks or young players, I mean, seriously. They aren't going to look much different

I'm not even mad -- I want them to make trades. I desperately wanted them to make trades, and I desperately want them to.

But Hextall keeps saying they won't, and since he didn't make any and he keeps saying he's not moving the currency that makes trades happen, well, what else is there?

- AllInForFlyers


I think Hextall is very open to tweaking the mix and trading youth for youth. I don't think he's interested in trading youth for older veterans around 30 to win now. If he is presented with a deal for a young but different kind of player to tweak the mix, in exchange for B Schenn, as an example. If he feels it makes the team better, I think he'd have no problem making that trade.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 15 @ 6:16 PM ET
Kind of hard take him at his word. He denied having any involvement in roster decisions despite reporters being withing earshot when he blasted Berube for barely icing one of the kids(can't remember if it was Laughton or Ghost)

I think we're seeing some posturing by Hexy here. He knew the big talking point today would be the coach. All we learned today is that Hexy is supposedly very methodical when it comes to coaches and has a hands off approach when it comes to the roster. After some of the poop Homer and Snider have said and done over the last five years I sort of think this is needed in order to get talent to want to come here.

- hereticpride


I mean I don't really care when Berube gets fired. I just get nervous because each day that passes makes me thinking he might be coming back.

I didn't hear that story about blasting Berube for not playing one of the kids.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:17 PM ET
Kind of hard take him at his word. He denied having any involvement in roster decisions despite reporters being withing earshot when he blasted Berube for barely icing one of the kids(can't remember if it was Laughton or Ghost)

I think we're seeing some posturing by Hexy here. He knew the big talking point today would be the coach. All we learned today is that Hexy is supposedly very methodical when it comes to coaches and has a hands off approach when it comes to the roster. After some of the poop Homer and Snider have said and done over the last five years I sort of think this is needed in order to get talent to want to come here.

- hereticpride


Just for clarification, what does having a hands off approach to the roster actually mean?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 15 @ 6:18 PM ET
Palpatine: Snider
Maul: Holmgren

I picture Hextall as a young Anakin before he has been turned. Berube is (frank)ing Jar Jar.

- flyer_nutter

I like to think of Hexy as Frank Underwood.

nothing without his Doug Stamper and Berube is not him.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:20 PM ET
Bill,

When will the Flyers sign Ahti Oksanen?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 15 @ 6:21 PM ET
Just for clarification, what does having a hands off approach to the roster actually mean?
- MJL

I should have said lineup. He denied being a GM that tries to force players on a coach.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:24 PM ET
I should have said lineup. He denied being a GM that tries to force players on a coach.
- hereticpride


It's no different with any other team in my opinion.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 15 @ 6:26 PM ET
I think Hextall is very open to tweaking the mix and trading youth for youth. I don't think he's interested in trading youth for older veterans around 30 to win now. If he is presented with a deal for a young but different kind of player to tweak the mix, in exchange for B Schenn, as an example. If he feels it makes the team better, I think he'd have no problem making that trade.
- MJL


I didn't get that vibe today, though he didn't necessarily mention Schenn extensively, IIRC

And yes: He could certainly make that kind of move

But I honestly felt, after listening to him, that he is inclined to give the roster's youth another season -- doesn't mean he will, or has to

It just sounded like he wasn't dying to change just yet
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 15 @ 6:29 PM ET
I just finished listening to the Press Conference. All I can say is, I really like Hextall. I like the rules he has in place to keep the future going. I like that he won't sacrifice youth and picks for a 29-30 year old for a one year run. That's all great! I believe him too. Some way Brayden Schenn out of here, I don't think he's going anywhere. I think I'd like to find a more suitable play for this team instead of Scott Laughton because I feel he might be more of the same when you look at Couturier and Bellemare but I respect that Hextall wants to give him and others time. With this said, I felt like there was one reporter really putting pressure on Hextall during questions about Lecavalier, Couturier and Berube. I think fans, the media and everyone around Hextall want Berube out. I felt like this guy was pleeding, almost begging to kick Berube out today.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 15 @ 6:34 PM ET
I think Hextall is very open to tweaking the mix and trading youth for youth. I don't think he's interested in trading youth for older veterans around 30 to win now. If he is presented with a deal for a young but different kind of player to tweak the mix, in exchange for B Schenn, as an example. If he feels it makes the team better, I think he'd have no problem making that trade.
- MJL

I think you're right.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:38 PM ET
I just finished listening to the Press Conference. All I can say is, I really like Hextall. I like the rules he has in place to keep the future going. I like that he won't sacrifice youth and picks for a 29-30 year old for a one year run. That's all great! I believe him too. Some way Brayden Schenn out of here, I don't think he's going anywhere. I think I'd like to find a more suitable play for this team instead of Scott Laughton because I feel he might be more of the same when you look at Couturier and Bellemare but I respect that Hextall wants to give him and others time. With this said, I felt like there was one reporter really putting pressure on Hextall during questions about Lecavalier, Couturier and Berube. I think fans, the media and everyone around Hextall want Berube out. I felt like this guy was pleeding, almost begging to kick Berube out today.
- SuperSchennBros



Many of the players have supported Berube publicly.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 15 @ 6:46 PM ET
Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli 5m5 minutes ago
Hextall: “If I’m looking back and the goalie had a great year, the coach must’ve done a good job with him, right?” #notatypo

- PhillySportsGuy



Wow hextall really?

And if the goalie is having a great year, the goalie coach must be fired?

Makes sense
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:47 PM ET
Wow hextall really?

And if the goalie is having a great year, the goalie coach must be fired?

Makes sense

- Just5


The goalie coach wasn't fired.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 15 @ 6:47 PM ET
Many of the players have supported Berube publicly.
- MJL

Who? Claude Giroux, Wayne Simmonds and Jake Voracek? The guys in favourable positions?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:50 PM ET
Who? Claude Giroux, Wayne Simmonds and Jake Voracek? The guys in favourable positions?
- SuperSchennBros


How about Ryan White? Are those people not around Hextall?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 15 @ 6:51 PM ET
How about Ryan White? Are those people not around Hextall?
- MJL

You don't think Ryan White wasn't put in a favourable position by Berube? First unit PP after Simmonds gets hurt?
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Apr 15 @ 6:54 PM ET
How about Ryan White? Are those people not around Hextall?
- MJL

it's irrelevant how the players feel. like they said about bowman: 'you hated him for 364 days a year and on day 365 you got your ring' or something like that
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:56 PM ET
You don't think Ryan White wasn't put in a favourable position by Berube? First unit PP after Simmonds gets hurt?
- SuperSchennBros


It doesn't matter, it's not about if a player was put in a favorable position. It's about the statement that everyone around Hextall wants Berube out.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 15 @ 6:57 PM ET
it's irrelevant how the players feel. like they said about bowman: 'you hated him for 364 days a year and on day 365 you got your ring' or something like that
- hogweed

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