Some days I think the more things seem to change with this club, they stay the same.

Some days I think the more things seem to change with this club, they stay the same.
- flyer_nutter

The same with the fans, really.

As far as the data on the decision, some of Berube's critics refuse to consider that the majority of the problems with this team are player related and not coaching related. Some just want to nitpick every move, and if the moves they suggest didn't work either, it just would've been more fodder for them to criticize.
- MJL

I thought the biggest problem with the team this year was road record and PK. Road record is something that is fixed with player leadership and better coaching. With the players we have, I think the PK is something that is fixed with coaching, our player personnel should be better than that. I think Lappy actually had more responsibility for the PKs failure than Berube.

Should have fired Berube months ago.

here's hoping the further "evaluation" of chief isn't the first 3 games of the regular season

Should have fired Berube months ago.
- PhillySportsGuy

How many coaches do they have to go through?

Since the start of '06-'07, they have run through Hitchcock, Stevens, Laviolette and still possibly Chief -- that would be four coaches in a decade! It gets even worse when you start walking it back to when Terry Murray got turfed -- it's eight coaches in 20 years!

That's insanity -- I'm not saying you have to keep Chief, but JFC! This franchise can't keep burning through coaches like this -- it's ridiculous!

Should have fired Berube months ago.
- PhillySportsGuy

Nonsense. Lets continue to poop on the players you as an organization bring in, sign to long term deals and ship their ass out, etc, etc, etc.

How many coaches do they have to go through?

Since the start of '06-'07, they have run through Hitchcock, Stevens, Laviolette and still possibly Chief -- that would be four coaches in a decade! It gets even worse when you start walking it back to when Terry Murray got turfed -- it's eight coaches in 20 years!

That's insanity -- I'm not saying you have to keep Chief, but JFC! This franchise can't keep burning through coaches like this -- it's ridiculous!
- AllInForFlyers

Look above the coaches, and players. Where the turnover rate for both has been laughable. There you find your source.

I thought the biggest problem with the team this year was road record and PK. Road record is something that is fixed with player leadership and better coaching. With the players we have, I think the PK is something that is fixed with coaching, our player personnel should be better than that. I think Lappy actually had more responsibility for the PKs failure than Berube.
- JAKEw1234

How would better coaching fix the road record?

I don't think the PK has anything to do with coaching. I think it was about player execution. The PK was fine at home.

I know one thing, having legitimate top defensive pair, having a healthy Matt Read would do a ton for the PK and the road record.

"I'm not going to make a quick decision to appease people, or to follow along like it's supposed to be done," Hextall said in a transcript provided by the Flyers. "I'm going to do everything I can to do the due diligence that's appropriate to make the decision.

"Once I get there, then we'll let people know. I'm not going to make a hasty decision and look back and regret it. I'm going to do everything I can to gather all the information out there and make the right decision. That goes for a lot of decisions we have to make."

This all seems incredibly reasonable to me

How would better coaching fix the road record?

I don't think the PK has anything to do with coaching. I think it was about player execution. The PK was fine at home.

I know one thing, having legitimate top defensive pair, having a healthy Matt Read would do a ton for the PK and the road record.
- MJL

I'll give you one thing, I side with you an extent on Berube. I question the guy in a lot of his decisions but no coach would have a fighting chance with the men assembled in front of him.

"I'm not going to make a quick decision to appease people, or to follow along like it's supposed to be done," Hextall said in a transcript provided by the Flyers. "I'm going to do everything I can to do the due diligence that's appropriate to make the decision.

"Once I get there, then we'll let people know. I'm not going to make a hasty decision and look back and regret it. I'm going to do everything I can to gather all the information out there and make the right decision. That goes for a lot of decisions we have to make."

This all seems incredibly reasonable to me
- aflyerpower8

You would think he'd have that info having unlimited access to the team and its players for 82 games.

Nonsense. Lets continue to poop on the players you as an organization bring in, sign to long term deals and ship their ass out, etc, etc, etc.




- flyer_nutter

That philosophy is why Chief is still coach -- anybody who listened today realizes that Hextall puts a lot of the poop from this season on the players

I'll give you one thing, I side with you an extent on Berube. I question the guy in a lot of his decisions but no coach would have a fighting chance with the men assembled in front of him.
- flyer_nutter

I think this team should've been a playoff team. They obviously didn't make it. I think coaching is way down the list of reasons. Would a Babcock have been able to get this team in the playoffs, maybe. What would've happened once they made the playoffs? Babcock would change that outcome? Doubtful. The big issues in the lineup would've come to the forefront. As good as a coach as Babcock is, he isn't going to make any of the Flyers defenseman into a top pairing.
Then again, some fans think it was as simple as scratching Umberger and putting Raffl on the 2nd unit PP.

That philosophy is why Chief is still coach -- anybody who listened today realizes that Hextall puts a lot of the poop from this season on the players
- AllInForFlyers

As he should.

To Hextall's credit he did say he wants to make the decision soon, out of respect for Berube.

I just don't see wht other data is needed to process the decision.
- Jsaquella

Wants to see what other coaches become available.

Wants to act like Berube could stay to force Vinny into early retirement.

The first one is a lot more realistic.

Nonsense. Lets continue to poop on the players you as an organization bring in, sign to long term deals and ship their ass out, etc, etc, etc.




- flyer_nutter

I hate that sign so effing much. Do they think they're the Black Hawks or something?

Like that sign legitimately angers me. I hope every other team points to that sign and laughs.

That philosophy is why Chief is still coach -- anybody who listened today realizes that Hextall puts a lot of the poop from this season on the players
- AllInForFlyers

Which is hilarious to me. Skate harder boys, just try harder. Your moron bosses are the one's who assembled them together.

You aren't turning the boys on this team from donkeys into mustangs. They are who they are, no shame in that. I like a lot of what Hextall has done, and preached so far. However the stench of the same old way of running poop still looms large.

How would better coaching fix the road record?

I don't think the PK has anything to do with coaching. I think it was about player execution. The PK was fine at home.

I know one thing, having legitimate top defensive pair, having a healthy Matt Read would do a ton for the PK and the road record.
- MJL

i'm not as eager to hang chief as some but i have to say that by the time guys get to this level, they pretty much know how to play hockey. i would offer that coaching is about intangibles at least as much as anything else. when a team demonstrates the ability to win games and play well in some situations but not others (esp better against better teams) then it's as much about coaching as anything else.
i think a better coach would have been able to recognize and make whatever changes were needed (since we know it wasn't personnel) to get that team ready to play complete games against bad teams and, to a lesser extent, play better on the road

What drives me bat-poop insane isn't that you can't drop Chief -- fine. Go for it.

But WTF were you doing when you fired Hitch and Laviolette -- previous Cup winners who had dropped 100-point seasons for you, gotten to conference finals and Stanley Cup finals?

Or when you dropped Stevens, who led you to either the biggest turnaround in league history, or close to it, and a conference final?

Now granted, Hextall's predecessors pulled those triggers. But damn, man -- pick a (frank)ing coach and stick with it! The Flyers turn on coaches as soon as poop gets a little sour, and it's not like Hitch and Laviolette are imbeciles who aren't winning any games now that they've been cut loose!

JFC!

I think this team should've been a playoff team. They obviously didn't make it. I think coaching is way down the list of reasons. Would a Babcock have been able to get this team in the playoffs, maybe. What would've happened once they made the playoffs? Babcock would change that outcome? Doubtful. The big issues in the lineup would've come to the forefront. As good as a coach as Babcock is, he isn't going to make any of the Flyers defenseman into a top pairing.
Then again, some fans think it was as simple as scratching Umberger and putting Raffl on the 2nd unit PP.
- MJL

I agree to an extent. Its kind of like the Rinaldo thing though, sure he isn't THE problem but in a league that's built for parity with the salary cap, where you can improve, should try and improve imo.

I am starting to, in a sick way hope they keep Berube. Let this mother (frank)er burn.

As far as the data on the decision, some of Berube's critics refuse to consider that the majority of the problems with this team are player related and not coaching related. Some just want to nitpick every move, and if the moves they suggest didn't work either, it just would've been more fodder for them to criticize.
- MJL

Explain to me why RJ Umberger was allowed to play every game and in doing so, remain a second unit regular on the Power Play. It's one thing to play every game, fine! Berube never made an adjustment with Umberger on the second unit on the PP. This is an unacceptable example when you have other options.

What drives me bat-poop insane isn't that you can't drop Chief -- fine. Go for it.

But WTF were you doing when you fired Hitch and Laviolette -- previous Cup winners who had dropped 100-point seasons for you, gotten to conference finals and Stanley Cup finals?

Or when you dropped Stevens, who led you to either the biggest turnaround in league history, or close to it, and a conference final?

Now granted, Hextall's predecessors pulled those triggers. But damn, man -- pick a (frank)ing coach and stick with it! The Flyers turn on coaches and soon as poop gets a little sour, and it's not like Hitch and Laviolette are imbeciles who aren't winning any games now that they've been cut loose!

JFC!
- AllInForFlyers

I really think Hextall is just waiting for the guy he wants to become available. It isn't hurting anyone to not make a decision this instant.

I agree to an extent. Its kind of like the Rinaldo thing though, sure he isn't THE problem but in a league that's built for parity with the salary cap, where you can improve, should try and improve imo.

I am starting to, in a sick way hope they keep Berube. Let this mother (frank)er burn.
- flyer_nutter

I just got home from, so I have no clue what the presser was about. I assumed Berube was getting fired and now I'm forced to assume he's staying. So what's up?

I just got home from, so I have no clue what the presser was about. I assumed Berube was getting fired and now I'm forced to assume he's staying. So what's up?
- SuperSchennBros

no decision has been made but hexy assures us one will be made in due time out of fairness to chief.