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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 15 @ 2:50 PM ET
He could still do Berube, but it's clear to me that he thinks the roster needs to get the job done for the roles they have and that he isn't looking to give them an out by punting Berube
- AllInForFlyers


Totally agree.

Was today the ONLY day this off season to fire Berube?

Like, if the guy Hextall has identified (whoever it is) becomes available in 2 weeks, can Hextall NOT call another press conference and fire Berube?

There are some coaches, whose situation is tenuous, that Hextall MIGHT like to hire. Why turf your guy when you don't have a replacement ready to hire?

Sounds smart to me.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Apr 15 @ 2:51 PM ET
Not really though.. We are down on the year in points, a lot of players had down years..

It was a brutal trade then, and it definitely has looked as bad if not worse now that the season is over.

- jak521


I'm not defending the trade at all. But scoring was down throughout the entire NHL so keep that in mind.
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Apr 15 @ 2:53 PM ET
He's playing the GM game. If he comes out and fires Berube even before the playoffs start, everyone knows the Flyers are in for a new coach. If he waits a bit, and depending on how some playoff teams do (St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Detroit), there might be some more coaches out there.
- KGBflyers10


Exactly.. at least I certainly hope so!
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Apr 15 @ 2:54 PM ET
I'm not defending the trade at all. But scoring was down throughout the entire NHL so keep that in mind.
- JFlyers00


Yeah but with that being said, hartnell did go on to have a 60 pt season lol
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 15 @ 2:57 PM ET
Yeah but with that being said, hartnell did go on to have a 60 pt season lol
- benjichronic


How many more of those does he have left?

JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Apr 15 @ 2:58 PM ET
Yeah but with that being said, hartnell did go on to have a 60 pt season lol
- benjichronic


Hartnell wouldn't have had the same season here if was deployed as a bottom six forward. If Hartnell played his same role, B Schenn and Raffl wouldn't have had the years they had.

Edit: I hate the trade. I get getting rid of Hartnell while you can, but why take on Umberger. If we really just wanted to dump Hartnell, why not just take a 5th rounder back for him and let Columbus buy Umberger out.
Lexington Flyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NoHockeyTown , KY
Joined: 04.02.2008

Apr 15 @ 2:58 PM ET
This pc is a waste of freakin time. All he's saying is "we'll see"... "maybe"... "yeah, he did good but I think he can do better"... "I haven't made a decision, so we'll see..."...

wow... insightful.

- WarriorHockey21


Sounds a bit like Andy Reid

Times yours.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 15 @ 2:58 PM ET
Totally agree.

Was today the ONLY day this off season to fire Berube?

Like, if the guy Hextall has identified (whoever it is) becomes available in 2 weeks, can Hextall NOT call another press conference and fire Berube?

There are some coaches, whose situation is tenuous, that Hextall MIGHT like to hire. Why turf your guy when you don't have a replacement ready to hire?

Sounds smart to me.

- johndewar


There is that, as well...sucks if you are Chief, but looks like he has to wait

Don't know what Big Ed is whispering behind closed doors, either
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 15 @ 2:59 PM ET
I'm not defending the trade at all. But scoring was down throughout the entire NHL so keep that in mind.
- JFlyers00

scoring wasn't down for Scott Hartnell
PhillySteen
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Scania
Joined: 08.02.2011

Apr 15 @ 3:00 PM ET
Hold a press conf today to essentially say nothing. Doesn't make much sense, but then again a lot of stuff this franchise does makes no sense.
- PLindbergh31


The PC was just a regular end-of-season event for media to be able to ask questions before everybody went their separate ways. Don't be let down by your own expectations. It would have been a totally different story if this PC had been announced out of the blue mid-season.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 15 @ 3:00 PM ET
How many more of those does he have left?
- johndewar


One less than when the same question was asked last offseason.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 15 @ 3:00 PM ET
How many more of those does he have left?
- johndewar

More than Umberger?
pbizz1e
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 10.01.2014

Apr 15 @ 3:00 PM ET
I still think Hexy fires Berube. With all of the good coaches that will be available this summer, I think it would be foolish not to. Only to realize early on next season that Berube needs to go. That being said who would you like to see coach the Flyers? Assuming Babcock is first on most people's list, including mine, who else?

For me, if Boston fires Claude Julien, I want him. The only person I don't want is Bylsma. I just don't think he's a good coach.
kellyblaise7
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Haddon Township, NJ
Joined: 07.21.2012

Apr 15 @ 3:01 PM ET
Yeah but with that being said, hartnell did go on to have a 60 pt season lol
- benjichronic


Yeah, the trade for last season and the up coming season and probably the year after, since Umburger might still be around, was terrible. I don't think they accounted for Hartnell's leadership. I think they thought he "kept things light" in the locker room, but completely undervalued the fact that players followed his lead in playing loose and attacking aggressively, instead of waiting tentatively in on-ice situations.

Hexy clearly still values the future cap relief more than either player in the trade.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Apr 15 @ 3:01 PM ET
scoring wasn't down for Scott Hartnell
- BulliesPhan87


Touche
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Apr 15 @ 3:02 PM ET
Sounds a bit like Andy Reid

Times yours.

- Lexington Flyer


love the dead avatar dude.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Apr 15 @ 3:02 PM ET
I still think Hexy fires Berube. With all of the good coaches that will be available this summer, I think it would be foolish not to. Only to realize early on next season that Berube needs to go. That being said who would you like to see coach the Flyers? Assuming Babcock is first on most people's list, including mine, who else?

For me, if Boston fires Claude Julien, I want him. The only person I don't want is Bylsma. I just don't think he's a good coach.

- pbizz1e

(because of his face)
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Apr 15 @ 3:04 PM ET
I still think Hexy fires Berube. With all of the good coaches that will be available this summer, I think it would be foolish not to. Only to realize early on next season that Berube needs to go. That being said who would you like to see coach the Flyers? Assuming Babcock is first on most people's list, including mine, who else?

For me, if Boston fires Claude Julien, I want him. The only person I don't want is Bylsma. I just don't think he's a good coach.

- pbizz1e


I really don't think Babcock would come here, regardless of money. I'm on the boat that believes he would want much more control over his roster than what he'd have here.

That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to Julien or McClellan, personally. Or go after a guy like Blashill...
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 15 @ 3:05 PM ET

Hexy clearly still values the future cap relief more than either player in the trade.

- kellyblaise7


He all-but said that, really
Coleman
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Summerside, PEI
Joined: 02.14.2007

Apr 15 @ 3:05 PM ET
Lip service really. Didn't he also say he has zero interest in buying out Lecavalier? What's the other option? Hire a hitman?
- PLindbergh31


The Lecavalier situation is a tough one. If they fired Berube, it'd be a win in Lecavalier's eyes, thus leading him to want to stick around. Do you really want to give an under-performing (although potentially under-utilized) player who calls out your coach and his decisions a win like that? Kinda like letting the inmates run the asylum.

I say they figure out how to fix that situation before dealing with anything else. Hopefully someone will want him at half salary. If we can find any takers, keeping $2.5M on the books for 3 more years is much better than paying the buyout.
kellyblaise7
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Haddon Township, NJ
Joined: 07.21.2012

Apr 15 @ 3:06 PM ET
I still think Hexy fires Berube. With all of the good coaches that will be available this summer, I think it would be foolish not to. Only to realize early on next season that Berube needs to go. That being said who would you like to see coach the Flyers? Assuming Babcock is first on most people's list, including mine, who else?

For me, if Boston fires Claude Julien, I want him. The only person I don't want is Bylsma. I just don't think he's a good coach.

- pbizz1e


Babcock or Julien would be clear cut upgrades.

Bylsma couldn't control his bench vs Flyers in recent years and didn't help the US Olympic team either.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Apr 15 @ 3:06 PM ET
fire hextall
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 15 @ 3:07 PM ET
fire hextall
- Winning


Replace him with Berube.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 15 @ 3:07 PM ET
I really don't think Babcock would come here, regardless of money. I'm on the boat that believes he would want much more control over his roster than what he'd have here.

That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to Julien or McClellan, personally. Or go after a guy like Blashill...

- WarriorHockey21


I think Babcock is going to Toronto

He will have some say in the roster and he will get PAID and will be a legend for decades if he wins
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 15 @ 3:07 PM ET
The PC was just a regular end-of-season event for media to be able to ask questions before everybody went their separate ways. Don't be let down by your own expectations. It would have been a totally different story if this PC had been announced out of the blue mid-season.
- PhillySteen


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