Calm down there, Weekesy.
- jmatchett383

how dare you.

@JohnBorukCSN: Del Zotto says he loves it here, loves the guys but says he wants to be paid fairly. #FlyersTalk
- pbizz1e

Who doesn't? Something out of nothing...

No. The players union should be doing everything in its power to guarantee its members being able to exercise all rights and privileges contained in the CBA that their representatives ratified. If you didn't want that to be a option, then why allow it?

Also, it's not like it's a precedent. If another team wants to make a player unhappy (see: Richards, Mike), then that player can either sit there and collect his money or take the same route. It's not like Vinny would be forced to terminate it.

- jmatchett383

The player's union goal is to maximize money for it's players and protect jobs. Same as any other union.

Richards isn't comparable. VL can't be sent down, afaik. And I'm not even sure waiving Richards saved the Kings any money.

Edit: I guess the union should be murdering Ryan Suter's family since he turned down more money from Philly to play where he wanted to in Minnesota. How dare he do what makes him happy, he might have cost somebody 0.014% on a comparable deal.

Also not a comparable situation. Suter didn't have a contract. VL does.

Streit had a better season than Del Zotto.
- Feanor

Only on the PP.

If MDZ holds out, they're (frank)ed at ES.
- Tomahawk

No they're not. Del Zotto holding out would be an incredibly stupid move on his part.

Streit had a better season than Del Zotto.
- Feanor

Schultz is ahead of Del Zotto also. Del Zotto should be 3rd in the voting in my opinion.

Because Roman Josi's stats are no better than Del Zotto's, career wise and considering who Josi's partner is
- AllInForFlyers

Del Zotto's all around game isn't close to Josi's. There's more to being a dman than scoring points.

The player's union goal is to maximize money for it's players and protect jobs. Same as any other union.

Richards isn't comparable. VL can't be sent down, afaik. And I'm not even sure waiving Richards saved the Kings any money.



Also not a comparable situation. Suter didn't have a contract. VL does.
- Scoob

So if a player wants OUT of a job...it's the players union's job to tell him he can't??? That doesn't sound like a very supportive union at all. The amount of HRR remains the same and, with his deal terminated, it allows for the team with the terminated contract to give more money to other players. The pool size stays the same.

Also, the union ratified a CBA which had this allowance. If they didn't want it included, they had their chance to negotiate it out but they signed it in the end. Don't know why they'd be mad for one of its members exercising his rights.

Because Roman Josi's stats are no better than Del Zotto's, career wise and considering who Josi's partner is, and Del Zotto has already paid a price for the stretch of poor play that saw him get nontendered.

You are not going to be able to justify not giving Del Zotto a market value contract based off one season of poor play when he has put up three 30-point seasons
- AllInForFlyers

It was more then one season. The Rangers chose to walk away from him.

Only on the PP.
- Tomahawk

And we all know that only ES numbers matter. Wayne Simmonds didn't even score a goal all year, he was only good on the PP.

John LeClair was so overrated.

...when you have no reliable play in front of you, you start over thinking, and guessing....not good for anybody.
- hammarby31

Mason did it, slacker.

he needs the $ to pay his porn whores.
- hammarby31

who jsaq?

It was more then one season. The Rangers chose to walk away from him.
- MJL

As did Nashville. Didn't even tender him a QO.

But let's give the dude $4M per for 4 years.

Only on the PP.
- Tomahawk

And defensively. Del Zotto certainly tries hard in his own zone, but he makes a lot of mistakes and gives up a ton of shots attempts. The most per minute on the team, in fact.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...orsi&sort=A60&sortdir=ASC

So assuming the Flyers get MDZ under contract for next season (either an extension or QO), I guess we're looking at 8 guys on one-way contracts: Del Zotto, Streit, Schultz, MacDonald, Grossmann, Schenn, Gudas, and Manning. Factor in Morin, Ghost, Sanheim, and Alt getting long looks at training camp and things could get interesting. I don't expect any of the latter 4 to make the team, granted I guess it's not unrealistic to see Ghost claim a job if healthy or Morin, but I'd error on the side of not rushing them especially Ghost since he is rehabbing. I for one would like to see Manning get a fair shot to grab a 3rd pairing role, but that's a crowded blue line at the moment. Hextall should have a fun summer.

Del Zotto's all around game isn't close to Josi's. There's more to being a dman than scoring points.
- Feanor

And while that is true, that still doesn't mean you are going to get away with paying Del Zotto a penny less than Nicklas Grossmann

It's not going to happen. Luke Schenn makes $3.6. Andy MacDonald's cap hit is 5.

You are not going to get away with paying Del Zotto less than that. It's not going to happen

So assuming the Flyers get MDZ under contract for next season (either an extension or QO), I guess we're looking at 8 guys on one-way contracts: Del Zotto, Streit, Schultz, MacDonald, Grossmann, Schenn, Gudas, and Manning. Factor in Morin, Ghost, Sanheim, and Alt getting long looks at training camp and things could get interesting. I don't expect any of the latter 4 to make the team, granted I guess it's not unrealistic to see Ghost claim a job if healthy or Morin, but I'd error on the side of not rushing them especially Ghost since he is rehabbing. I for one would like to see Manning get a fair shot to grab a 3rd pairing role, but that's a crowded blue line at the moment. Hextall should have a fun summer.
- five4fighting10

Basically means we just clog the pipeline a little bit more to make sure none of our draftees ever make the show.

And while that is true, that still doesn't mean you are going to get away with paying Del Zotto a penny less than Nicklas Grossmann

It's not going to happen. Luke Schenn makes $3.6. Andy MacDonald's cap hit is 5.

You are not going to get away with paying Del Zotto less than that. It's not going to happen
- AllInForFlyers

Then he can have fun sitting at home making $0.

Me too except for the Pens. I wish Washington could win this year if I was picking in the East. I'd pick Calgary in the West.

I'm not getting my hopes up.
- mayorofangrytown

I like the interesting Nashville v Washington match-up just from a storyline perspective. But I'd really only hate it if Pittsburgh won. Although I may develop hate for a team as the playoffs progress.

It was more then one season. The Rangers chose to walk away from him.
- MJL

No, the Rangers traded him to the Preds, who nontendered him.

He's going to argue that his numbers were fine under Tortorella and that the coaching change to Vigneault was a factor in his decline

And while that is true, that still doesn't mean you are going to get away with paying Del Zotto a penny less than Nicklas Grossmann

It's not going to happen. Luke Schenn makes $3.6. Andy MacDonald's cap hit is 5.

You are not going to get away with paying Del Zotto less than that. It's not going to happen
- AllInForFlyers

He's an RFA who could end up playing for a qualifying offer for one more year.

And while that is true, that still doesn't mean you are going to get away with paying Del Zotto a penny less than Nicklas Grossmann

It's not going to happen. Luke Schenn makes $3.6. Andy MacDonald's cap hit is 5.

You are not going to get away with paying Del Zotto less than that. It's not going to happen
- AllInForFlyers

God, he must look around that room and just shake his head.

I like the interesting Nashville v Washington match-up just from a storyline perspective. But I'd really only hate it if Pittsburgh won. Although I may develop hate for a team as the playoffs progress.
- bodiva88

Being a part of the Rangers thread has made you soft

So if a player wants OUT of a job...it's the players union's job to tell him he can't??? That doesn't sound like a very supportive union at all.


- jmatchett383

That's a cute notion.

The amount of HRR remains the same and, with his deal terminated, it allows for the team with the terminated contract to give more money to other players. The pool size stays the same.

Also, the union ratified a CBA which had this allowance. If they didn't want it included, they had their chance to negotiate it out but they signed it in the end. Don't know why they'd be mad for one of its members exercising his rights.

And since it is allowed in the CBA they can't tell him he can't (in so many words but I'll guess they have their ways), nor did I say they could, I just said they wouldn't be happy. Doing so is exactly the opposite of what they want, which is to keep salaries going up. An unhappy player breaking a contract to take less money somewhere else opens the door for unscrupulous management types to make players unhappy with the express purpose of driving salaries down.

And while that is true, that still doesn't mean you are going to get away with paying Del Zotto a penny less than Nicklas Grossmann

It's not going to happen. Luke Schenn makes $3.6. Andy MacDonald's cap hit is 5.

You are not going to get away with paying Del Zotto less than that. It's not going to happen
- AllInForFlyers

They got away with paying him 1.25M last year. Obviously, his value has gone up, but how much has it gone up? Del Zotto's best move might be to sign a fair one year deal, and see where that takes him as he enters free agency.