What about looking at like this if 71 can put up 100 pts for 9.5, but 2 guys together can put up 140 pts for the same price which is better?
- sammy87

Ok then name names & we'll go from there. This is a problem on this board everyone can fix any problem with this player & that, the only problem no one in the NHL is named 'this' & 'that'. Put substance behind any discussion by throwing out players available that can be obtained or traded for.

i like Frolik, Bergenheim, Soderberg as some have mentioned.

Any chance Spaling gets us a 3rd at the draft? Trading Spaling, Sutter, Kunitz at the draft for picks/prospects could definitely help.

Or look for a blockbuster...I dont care what anyone says...I still want Lucic or ROR or Staal or JvR here. Polarizing as they seem to be, we might need moves of that magnitude.

Or something crazy like Letang-Sutter for Hall-Nurse.

Could be an interesting offseason again, thats for sure.

edit -- oh yea, and I'm all for signing someone like Panarin or Tikhonov. Gotta take gambles like that right now, imo
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Klink, MSL, Brad Richards are starting points for moi so there is a 4th line, 2nd line wings & 3rd line C.

Ok then name names & we'll go from there. This is a problem on this board everyone can fix any problem with this player & that, the only problem no one in the NHL is named 'this' & 'that'. Put substance behind any discussion by throwing out players available that can be obtained or traded for.
- Aussiepenguin

Im basing it off what MM suggested at the beginning of the season. MTL, Max P and Galenchuk.

Im basing it off what MM suggested at the beginning of the season. MTL, Max P and Galenchuk.
- sammy87

Would you trade Geno for those 2?

I don't know that the Habs would do that although I think Geno is worth more. Patches is a steady scorer but not sure if he was needed to take a game by the balls he could.

Wonder if we will see any changes tonight. I would like to see perroninstead of comeau. getting the chances from geno

Wonder if we will see any changes tonight. I would like to see perroninstead of comeau. getting the chances from geno
- Grinder47

I love a change for tonite - a win!

Im basing it off what MM suggested at the beginning of the season. MTL, Max P and Galenchuk.
- sammy87

i don't think that's too outlandish.

Jarry assigned to WBS

Im basing it off what MM suggested at the beginning of the season. MTL, Max P and Galenchuk.
- sammy87

That's the one I've seen the most and it's the one that makes the most sense (if you were to trade him). Although, if you're trading an "elite" player like Malkin, you may want to try to grab a nice prospect as well like Beaulieu, but that might be too much for Montreal, even for a player as good as Malkin (assuming they'd do the deal WITHOUT adding him into it).

That's the one I've seen the most and it's the one that makes the most sense (if you were to trade him). Although, if you're trading an "elite" player like Malkin, you may want to try to grab a nice prospect as well like Beaulieu, but that might be too much for Montreal, even for a player as good as Malkin (assuming they'd do the deal WITHOUT adding him into it).
- jmatchett383

I'm sure the Habs won't get to answer that question!

Im basing it off what MM suggested at the beginning of the season. MTL, Max P and Galenchuk.
- sammy87

I could dig this, although I think they would need to add. As much I would hate to trade Geno, this would give us a young 2c and a young top winger with some more spare parts.

1. Add a pick, or we could swap a third and fourth or so for a first etc
2. Add a top prospect, depending on prospect level we could add a mid pick
3. Take Scuderi's contract
4. Swap Sutter for.. someone to upgrade Sutter

I could dig this, although I think they would need to add. As much I would hate to trade Geno, this would give us a young 2c and a young top winger with some more spare parts.

1. Add a pick, or we could swap a third and fourth or so for a first etc
2. Add a top prospect, depending on prospect level we could add a mid pick
3. Take Scuderi's contract
4. Swap Sutter for.. someone to upgrade Sutter
- znagle

And this is why the trade would never ever happen. Max P and Galchenyuk for Malkin is a pretty fair trade, possibly even slightly favored towards Pittsburgh, from a numbers/depth angle. However, being as he's a top-5 player in the world, you need overpayment for him. That said, Pittsburgh (or the fans, at least) would require a massive, stupid overpayment (first round pick, top prospect, eating a bad contract, etc.) which no team in their right mind would do. At some point, the "name" isn't worth it. There's no way Montreal (or any team) would do that unless it's for one of Stamkos or Crosby, or unless there was more value going back to them.

And this is why the trade would never ever happen. Max P and Galchenyuk for Malkin is a pretty fair trade, possibly even slightly favored towards Pittsburgh, from a numbers/depth angle. However, being as he's a top-5 player in the world, you need overpayment for him. That said, Pittsburgh (or the fans, at least) would require a massive, stupid overpayment (first round pick, top prospect, eating a bad contract, etc.) which no team in their right mind would do. At some point, the "name" isn't worth it. There's no way Montreal (or any team) would do that unless it's for one of Stamkos or Crosby, or unless there was more value going back to them.
- jmatchett383

Bergevin wants to get rid of Eller and he would probably view Sutter as an upgrade. While Sutter is disliked by many, GMs that aren't data-driven in their decisions will probably overvalue him.

Bergevin wants to get rid of Eller and he would probably view Sutter as an upgrade. While Sutter is disliked by many, GMs that aren't data-driven in their decisions will probably overvalue him.
- jfkst1

I wish

So jarry called up to wbs... with kap and now jarry over zatkoff.. baby pens have a good chance of the cup. Once Oscar comes over it will help...


But if big pens make playoffs I see Wilson ebbett dumo maybe even megna being called up to help out which then hurts the baby pens..

And this is why the trade would never ever happen. Max P and Galchenyuk for Malkin is a pretty fair trade, possibly even slightly favored towards Pittsburgh, from a numbers/depth angle. However, being as he's a top-5 player in the world, you need overpayment for him. That said, Pittsburgh (or the fans, at least) would require a massive, stupid overpayment (first round pick, top prospect, eating a bad contract, etc.) which no team in their right mind would do. At some point, the "name" isn't worth it. There's no way Montreal (or any team) would do that unless it's for one of Stamkos or Crosby, or unless there was more value going back to them.
- jmatchett383

Yeah my list was just examples of one thing that needs to happen. I think a mid pick (or 2 mid picks) for their first would be the easiest. Sutter or the prospect for a pick depending on level of prospect being second then Scuds last. Honestly, I would be happy with the Max and Galch. I think any of the other would be fair as well. Maybe even swap Perron for Gallagher.

Malkin + Perron = Max + Galch + Gallagher

No clue if that would work for future cap space. We'd probably have to add a second or third, but I would do it. Maybe even add Sutter for another depth player or pick to help balance out the cap and to not leave them dry all around.

Bergevin wants to get rid of Eller and he would probably view Sutter as an upgrade. While Sutter is disliked by many, GMs that aren't data-driven in their decisions will probably overvalue him.
- jfkst1

It seems like Sutter's being playing better lately. That may not be saying much, but he's doing it at the right time.

So jarry called up to wbs... with kap and now jarry over zatkoff.. baby pens have a good chance of the cup. Once Oscar comes over it will help...


But if big pens make playoffs I see Wilson ebbett dumo maybe even megna being called up to help out which then hurts the baby pens..
- nh4442

Hows the cap space work in the playoffs? I know it changes but not sure in what way.

It seems like Sutter's being playing better lately. That may not be saying much, but he's doing it at the right time.
- jmatchett383

I do agree on this. Although when he lost the puck near the boards to a Flyers player that was stickless I couldn't help but laugh. Sutter's shifts aren't complete unless he falls down at least once.

It seems like Sutter's being playing better lately. That may not be saying much, but he's doing it at the right time.
- jmatchett383

I think Sutter is a 2C. Hes not a shutdown guy, he is good on the draw, has a good shot and some speed, ok on the PK. On an average team he could be a decent cheap 2C. Pens dont need that and he doesnt fit well. He also has been flanked by duds. Not defending his play, but he just doesnt fit here.

Yeah my list was just examples of one thing that needs to happen. I think a mid pick (or 2 mid picks) for their first would be the easiest. Sutter or the prospect for a pick depending on level of prospect being second then Scuds last. Honestly, I would be happy with the Max and Galch. I think any of the other would be fair as well. Maybe even swap Perron for Gallagher.

Malkin + Perron = Max + Galch + Gallagher

No clue if that would work for future cap space. We'd probably have to add a second or third, but I would do it. Maybe even add Sutter for another depth player or pick to help balance out the cap and to not leave them dry all around.
- znagle

Okay, I thought you were saying Max + Galchenyuk + all of that (because, when the rumor was kicked around a while ago, that's how a number of people were). Your deal works, especially if the Pens kick in a 2nd. You always need to get some overpayment when you're the team including the best player, and I think that Max P + Galchenyuk qualifies. Adding Perron and a 2nd/3rd for Gallagher may be fair as well.

It seems like Sutter's being playing better lately. That may not be saying much, but he's doing it at the right time.
- jmatchett383

He's definitely been playing better. I still think he'll be the worst 3C in the EC playoff (provided the Pens make it) nor do I believe he is good enough to justify at that salary. Same with Spaling and Scuderi. The roster has to get more cost-effective if they are going to compete.

I think Sutter is a 2C. Hes not a shutdown guy, he is good on the draw, has a good shot and some speed, ok on the PK. On an average team he could be a decent cheap 2C. Pens dont need that and he doesnt fit well. He also has been flanked by duds. Not defending his play, but he just doesnt fit here.
- sammy87

He sounds like an older Bryadon Schenn. He gets his points, and can look good, but he doesn't really fit on the team. He's not good enough to be a top-6 player, but he doesn't fit a checking/shutdown role or a 4th line role. Kinda like Sam Gagner.

I think Sutter is a 2C. Hes not a shutdown guy, he is good on the draw, has a good shot and some speed, ok on the PK. On an average team he could be a decent cheap 2C. Pens dont need that and he doesnt fit well. He also has been flanked by duds. Not defending his play, but he just doesnt fit here.
- sammy87

See what I mean about wildly fluctuating opinions on Sutter? Sutter's pts/60 is 1.17. Firmly in the 4th line category. I'd be happy to trade him to a team that values him as a 2C. I think it would be a disastrous mistake, but the return should be appropriately higher as well.

Okay, I thought you were saying Max + Galchenyuk + all of that (because, when the rumor was kicked around a while ago, that's how a number of people were). Your deal works, especially if the Pens kick in a 2nd. You always need to get some overpayment when you're the team including the best player, and I think that Max P + Galchenyuk qualifies. Adding Perron and a 2nd/3rd for Gallagher may be fair as well.
- jmatchett383

Yeah definitely not, not that much of a homer

I think Geno + Perron + = Max + Galch + Gallag would be the best deal. An even better on would be to add Sutter and we take back either a 2nd/good prospect/depth player. Those would be the blockbuster deals.