Stamkos, Tavares this year until Crosby passed him again, plenty of other CHL graduates who have led the league in goals or points or both. Far more than the NCAA that's for sure.
- JohnFergusonJr

I better not here you complain about Kessel because he's one of the leader for points for the past 5 seasons. Because according to you, that's the only important fact.

I hate Jesse Fuchs from CityTV. He looks like an ugly version of Steven Stamkos.

@markhmasters: Who is the NHL player your play would most likely be compared to? Connor McDavid says Tyler Bozak http://www.nhl.com/ice/ne...m?id=760162&cmpid=nhl-twt





- burn

Trying to ward off the Sabres and Yotes from picking him.

Trivago guy gots a new shirt

- Fruitcakenipple

Martin St. Louis, 2003-4

Also Ovie, D. Sedin, H. Sedin; hell from 2008 until last year the Art Ross was won by either Euros or NCAA grads
- lumlums

Nash, Iginla, Lecavalier, Crosby, Stamkos, Perry even Cheechoo were all CHL grads who won the Richard Trophy. Crosby and Tavares are battling it out for the Art Ross this year.

Still no American born, NCAA grads who were top picks on this list by the way.

We can go back 30 years if you like but I think the argument here is that NCAA players are far more relevant in the past 10 years....
- jribout

This

LOSE LEAFS LOSE

Trivago guy gots a new shirt
- Fruitcakenipple

I prefer Captain Obvious.

Nash, Iginla, Lecavalier, Crosby, Stamkos, Perry even Cheechoo were all CHL grads who won the Richard Trophy. Crosby and Tavares are battling it out for the Art Ross this year.

Still no American born, NCAA grads who were top picks on this list by the way.
- JohnFergusonJr

You just said Cheechoo.



I hereby declare all of your other arguments invalid

I better not here you complain about Kessel because he's one of the leader for points for the past 5 seasons. Because according to you, that's the only important fact.
- KesselRules

Mostly because of injuries to other top players but Kessel is nowhere near Stamkos, Tavares or Crosby. You put the best American born, NCAA grad vs. the best CHL grad, CHL wins every time.

You just said Cheechoo.



I hereby declare all of your other arguments invalid
- lumlums

More wink emoticons please.

Trying to ward off the Sabres and Yotes from picking him.


- AdamFrench

he was probably as good as bozak already when he was 15-16

More wink emoticons please.
- JohnFergusonJr

More relevant and riveting comebacks please

More relevant and riveting comebacks please
- lumlums

Denied.

Nash, Iginla, Lecavalier, Crosby, Stamkos, Perry even Cheechoo were all CHL grads who won the Richard Trophy. Crosby and Tavares are battling it out for the Art Ross this year.

Still no American born, NCAA grads who were top picks on this list by the way.
- JohnFergusonJr

Well since were talking about a defenseman shouldn't we be looking at Norris trophy winners?

Denied.
- TheMadNavigator

the double denial

No, I'd still take Staal between 2003 to now. It's only been the last 3 years that Staal has slowed down due to injuries and playing for one of the worst teams in the NHL. But up until that point, he scored 30/40 goals several times.

All you're doing right now is cherry picking. I said, find the top picks that were American born, NCAA graduates that lived up to the hype. Erik Johnson, Jack Johnson, busts, DiPietro, bust and so on. Americans are good picks but the top picks that turn out more often are the CHL trained guys.
- JohnFergusonJr

You accuse me of cherry picking!

Seth Jones, John Gibson, Thomas Vanek, James van Riemsdyk, Dany Heatley, Bill Guerin, Jonathan Toews, Phil Kessel, Blake Wheeler, and Ryan Whitney. These are all bust according to you!

the double denial
- daeth

Malfunction

You accuse me of cherry picking!

Seth Jones, John Gibson, Thomas Vanek, James van Riemsdyk, Dany Heatley, Bill Guerin, Jonathan Toews, Phil Kessel, Blake Wheeler, and Ryan Whitney. These are all bust according to you!
- KesselRules

Whats wrong with cherry picking...

Malfunction
- Fruitcakenipple

Junction!

Yea because the Stanley Cup is in an individual achievement. You didn't answer my question which shows you'd pick Pavelski.

You know exactly what I meant. No one spent time scouting the NCAA at the time. If not a player of Pavelski's caliber wouldn't have been drafted in the 7th round.

Points is the measure of everything right? Kessel before this season was top 3 in points in the last 3 years. That's important.


NCAA players are taught much like Swedish players and develop a two way game (which is funny since Kessel doesn't have that, but he's the anomaly).
- KesselRules

that's fair comment about NCAA players being taught a too way game... I believe that's generally true - but Kessel only spent a single season at Wisco. I believe - so apparently that's why he never learned about playing in your own zone.

More relevant and riveting comebacks please
- lumlums

You just tried to dismiss Cheechoo with no reason whatsoever. If he was an NCAA grad, you'd be all over it like flies on poop. Even if we attribute all of his success to Thornton, Thornton is still, guess what, a CHL grad.

Mostly because of injuries to other top players but Kessel is nowhere near Stamkos, Tavares or Crosby. You put the best American born, NCAA grad vs. the best CHL grad, CHL wins every time.
- JohnFergusonJr

What does that have to do with anything?

that's fair comment about NCAA players being taught a too way game... I believe that's generally true - but Kessel only spent a single season at Wisco. I believe - so apparently that's why he never learned about playing in your own zone.

- BorjeFan4Ever

I don't think he learned much outside of straight line speed and a snapshot.