Babcock just using Leafs as a bargaining chip. He would never go to a rebuild at this stage of his career. Byslma blows.... You could have had a german shepherd coaching that team and still win... Im tired of retreads.....
- nyrsucks

That's what everyone said about Burke. You never know.

Turning out quality players with late round picks?
You need quality talented scouts for that.
- Fakepartofme

I think its also just as important to have patience.
Detroit is not this super late amazing drafting team... they just bring the players along much slower..esp later picks

there "young" new up and comers are not really young

tatar 24 - 173 games
Nyquist 25 - 170 games
Pulkkinen 23 - 22 nhl games)
Brendan smith 26 - 187 games


Luke Schenn 24 - 494 games

Babcock just using Leafs as a bargaining chip. He would never go to a rebuild at this stage of his career. Byslma blows.... You could have had a german shepherd coaching that team and still win... Im tired of retreads.....
- nyrsucks

This is not true

Fair point about the retreads though. But Dale Hunter is one of those (Coached the Caps a few years back)

I wouldn't mind Dale though. He's a good guy.

Any other "John Coopers" hangin' out around the AHL that we could snipe?

And Strome could go before Hanifin.
- The Law

I don't think there's enough separation in picks 3-5 to get much in trading those picks

they should never have promoted Spott so early. I thought he was perfect for that job
- TheThrill

I would be surprised if Spott was around next season... he sounds a lot like RC in the way he thinks based on his interviews.

I would be surprised if Spott was around next season... he sounds a lot like RC in the way he thinks based on his interviews.
- senstroll

In fairness, he got promoted out of Kitchener, did 1 year as head coach of the Marlies and then immediately got an NHL assistant coach gig..... under Randy Carlyle.

So he can be forgiven for having some of those tendencies I think.

Biggest mistake, IMO was bringing him up after only a year

No where did you say that the Leafs should be drafting good late round players. You said any player can make it if developed properly, which just isn't true.



Where do those players in the minors come from? You have to find good players first. Which the Leafs don't!
- KesselRules

When the players are chosen has nothing to do with it. It is build from the minors, not draft late and make them good.

- TheThrill

I wonder if he finished..

I think its also just as important to have patience.
Detroit is not this super late amazing drafting team... they just bring the players along much slower..esp later picks

there "young" new up and comers are not really young

tatar 24 - 173 games
Nyquist 25 - 170 games
Pulkkinen 23 - 22 nhl games)
Brendan smith 26 - 187 games


Luke Schenn 24 - 494 games
- senstroll

whats the argument here

whats the argument here
- wingz4life

That the leafs wouldn't know development if it fought off 15 police officers while masturbating.

I see no need for them to fire Nonis. He's just a puppet anyway. May as well keep him around, let him take all the initial backlash from every decision, and then, just before everything starts coming around and working out, Shanny can fire his ass and take all the credit.

For coach, I'd take Babcock, Bylsma, or Hunter if he would take it (don't think he will)
- TheThrill

Richard

whats the argument here
- wingz4life

That the Leafs rushed Schenn.. They should not have done so.

That the leafs wouldn't know development if it fought off 15 police officers while masturbating.
- TheThrill

Richard


- Dozzer

no.. you need a talented coaching staff in your development system

out of the hundreds if not thousands of kids available.. you dont think the top 30 all have great talent?

its a matter of harnessing it
- Dozzer

You need to have talent in order to harness it.
they have great scouts and coaches who do the leg work.
A great development system is part of it.....but you need a good base of quality potential talent.

That the Leafs rushed Schenn.. They should not have done so.
- PatC80

The Leafs are not the problem Luke is slower than Doug Murray.

This is not true

Fair point about the retreads though. But Dale Hunter is one of those (Coached the Caps a few years back)

I wouldn't mind Dale though. He's a good guy.

Any other "John Coopers" hangin' out around the AHL that we could snipe?
- TheThrill

Julien/DeBoer (although retreads), would be better than Bylsma . Enough Americans on the leafs already.

- TheThrill

made my morning

I see no need for them to fire Nonis. He's just a puppet anyway. May as well keep him around, let him take all the initial backlash from every decision, and then, just before everything starts coming around and working out, Shanny can fire his ass and take all the credit.

For coach, I'd take Babcock, Bylsma, or Hunter if he would take it (don't think he will)
- TheThrill

i thought they should have brought in a guy (GM) to work directly under Shanahan and build his own personnel team. just run everything and report only to Shanahan. but it seems like they're building a committee with all member reporting directly to Shanahan. it's a new approach and will be interesting to see if it works.

I think its also just as important to have patience.
Detroit is not this super late amazing drafting team... they just bring the players along much slower..esp later picks

there "young" new up and comers are not really young

tatar 24 - 173 games
Nyquist 25 - 170 games
Pulkkinen 23 - 22 nhl games)
Brendan smith 26 - 187 games


Luke Schenn 24 - 494 games
- senstroll

And where were all those guys drafted?
Again, if you dont draft quality talent in any round, you can keep them in your development league for as long as you want......it wont create talent where no talent lies.

Babcock just using Leafs as a bargaining chip. He would never go to a rebuild at this stage of his career. Byslma blows.... You could have had a german shepherd coaching that team and still win... Im tired of retreads.....
- nyrsucks

Babcock will go to the highest bidder,

That the Leafs rushed Schenn.. They should not have done so.
- PatC80

Schenn was garbage and should never have been drafted in the top 10.

That's what everyone said about Burke. You never know.
- KesselRules

I remember that. "Keep Dreaming Leaf Fans, Burke will never leave Anaheim for Toronto"
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I don't think there's enough separation in picks 3-5 to get much in trading those picks
- Canada Cup

Leafs need Strome ....and that's not a knock on Hanifin or Marner at all ...they both may end up being better but the Leafs have starved for a big top line centre prospect for so long ...the fans make a stink about it ...the media makes a stink about it ...it's just so pervasive.

If the draft goes McD, Eic, Str ..........I'll be okay with whoever they draft but there will be some remnant of disappointment at not getting the "big young top line centre".